Chelsea Transfers

[NikkiCFC 8,121]

Yeah, something is wrong here...

Pretty sure Pjanic himself would be enough for swap without MDS and money...

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  On 17/05/2020 at 23:09, Vesper said:

I think it is a good deal for Barca

They get a WC (he still is for at least 2 years, especially in La Liga/Serie A style play) deep holding MF in Pjanic, plus a decent RB in Mattia De Sciglio (27yo) AND 25m euros

all for one player, the hardly top 10 in the world (IMHO) RB Nelson Semedo (who is only a year younger than De Sciglio), who never set the world on fire, he struggled in many games I saw

RB rankings for me

Trent Alexander-Arnold 
Joshua Kimmich  
Achraf Hakimi       
Aaron Wan-Bissaka
Sergi Roberto
Kyle Walker   
Ricardo Pereira
Daniel Carvajal
Benjamin Pavard
João Cancelo (Pep is wasting him) 
Reece James  (rapidly moving up)
Youcef Atal    
Nordi Mukiele    
Emerson  (Real Betis)   
Sergiño Dest 
Héctor Bellerín  
Thomas Meunier
Nélson Semedo
Mário Fernandes 
César Azpilicueta
Denzel Dumfries    
Timothy Castagne   
Kieran Trippier  
Sime Vrsaljko
Mattia De Sciglio
Colin Dagba
Elseid Hysaj   
Léo Dubois   
Noussair Mazraoui    
Benjamin Henrichs

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It is very difficult to rank rb. Trent is brilliant crosser and passer but quite poor defensively. AWB does not offer much offensively but imo the best defensive rb in the league. 

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  On 17/05/2020 at 01:04, Pizy said:

Sounds like our Sancho interest died in January once we signed Ziyech as some of us figured.

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I am pretty sure it is before that  because we know Dortmund will probably ask for something like Dembele money 

[Vesper 29,406]

  On 18/05/2020 at 07:21, communicate said:

It is very difficult to rank rb. Trent is brilliant crosser and passer but quite poor defensively. AWB does not offer much offensively but imo the best defensive rb in the league. 

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KImmich is amore complete all-rounder atm, it is very close between him and TAA., but TAAs passing is off the chain. Hakimi's speed is insane, and AWB is the best defensive RB on the planet

Combine them, lol, you would have the best fullback in history

[Blues Forever 1,232]

Mertens renewal with Napoli is very close.

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  On 18/05/2020 at 15:47, Blues Forever said:

Mertens renewal with Napoli is very close.

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Good.....shouldnt bother us whatsoever imo.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

  On 18/05/2020 at 00:09, Vesper said:

Barca is getting cash plus players equal to 75 to 90 million euros (COVID-19 makes valuations wildly fluctuate) for Semedo

25m euros is going to them as well as 2 players, one who is WC (Pjanic)

that's great business

De Sciglio is not a poor as you make him out to be, I would take him over Zappacosta anyday, he is 1 cap away from 40 for the Italian national team, and I recall some great games by him whilst he was at AC Milan

and he can play DMF and RMF as well

Pjanic (30yo) will be a beast at Barca for 2,3 years at least

plus, like you said, losing Semedo is no biggie, even with no De Sciglio, as they have Sergi (who plays in MF at times), plus Emerson (you mentioned him, he looks like a potential star) and the other one you mentioned ,Moussa Wagué

I agree De Sciglio is a bit odd to include, but I am sure there is more to the backstory

 

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Literaly every barca fan dislikes the idea of either Pjanic or De Sciglio coming there. It will be just another terrible business by their board. 

Juve is willing to sell Pjanic because of his age, wages and fact that he is very hot cold player. Pjanic should be absolute key player under someone like Sarri but after good autmn, he completely lost himself. Its definately not a good deal for barca because they will likely replace a promising Arthur for someone with few years at top in decline. If there was time for barca to buy pjanic was from roma. 

De Sciglio is crap. Maybe a backup but in barca case, they already have few other better more promising options to go for.

Semedo was played in and out from the team, give him a regular place and he will perform great. 

This deal doesnt help barca progress in any way. Not that I dont like it, its great haha

[Blues Forever 1,232]

According to the players agent, Chelsea are leading the race to sign Barcelona centre back Xavier Mbuyamba.

The 18-year old joined Barcelona from MVV Maastricht last summer, but his agent, Carlos Barros, appears to be touting his next move already.

He confirms that there is interest from all over Europe, but it is Chelsea that have ‘the best papers’ and have been ‘discussed extensively last year.’

Barros said:

“Almost all major clubs in Europe have asked about Xavier.

“Real Madrid are also there, they are serious about their youth system, but that would of course be a sensitive switch.

“Juventus and Inter are interested, as are top clubs from Germany and England. Chelsea have the best papers. Of course we discussed this extensively last year.

“Chelsea gave a fantastic presentation. There is a unique football atmosphere there. You immediately sit with the first-team players during lunch and the club has outlined a very ambitious plan for Xavier.”

“They really think that in one to two years, he can be in the first team. Frank Lampard has of course already proven that he is not afraid to play with young players. Being in the starting line-up at Chelsea at the age of twenty would, of course, be great.”

Barros is not keen on his client staying at Barcelona because it can be incredibly difficult for youth players to earn opportunities at the Nou Camp.

Barros continued:

“The ambiguity is enormous,’ Barros said. ‘A new presidential election is coming and it could be that many new people will join the board.

“Politically it is very restless and in a sporting sense there is a lot of division. If you see that even Ansu Fati can be loaned out… How can you break through as a talent?”

[Vesper 29,406]

  On 19/05/2020 at 07:18, Blues Forever said:

According to the players agent, Chelsea are leading the race to sign Barcelona centre back Xavier Mbuyamba.

The 18-year old joined Barcelona from MVV Maastricht last summer, but his agent, Carlos Barros, appears to be touting his next move already.

He confirms that there is interest from all over Europe, but it is Chelsea that have ‘the best papers’ and have been ‘discussed extensively last year.’

Barros said:

“Almost all major clubs in Europe have asked about Xavier.

“Real Madrid are also there, they are serious about their youth system, but that would of course be a sensitive switch.

“Juventus and Inter are interested, as are top clubs from Germany and England. Chelsea have the best papers. Of course we discussed this extensively last year.

“Chelsea gave a fantastic presentation. There is a unique football atmosphere there. You immediately sit with the first-team players during lunch and the club has outlined a very ambitious plan for Xavier.”

“They really think that in one to two years, he can be in the first team. Frank Lampard has of course already proven that he is not afraid to play with young players. Being in the starting line-up at Chelsea at the age of twenty would, of course, be great.”

Barros is not keen on his client staying at Barcelona because it can be incredibly difficult for youth players to earn opportunities at the Nou Camp.

Barros continued:

“The ambiguity is enormous,’ Barros said. ‘A new presidential election is coming and it could be that many new people will join the board.

“Politically it is very restless and in a sporting sense there is a lot of division. If you see that even Ansu Fati can be loaned out… How can you break through as a talent?”

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been following him for a bit

 

[Vesper 29,406]

LOLOLOL

the biggest SCAM club in the world

the biggest game playing, lying, thieving cunts in the world

Real is just a pain and stupid and try to buy every player

Bayern are just ruthless, and they are cunts for always tapping up players, so they are high on my hate list

PSG I actually like (I know all hate them here), they are a real football club as they develop a shedload of great youth players, most hate them becuase they have hundreds of billions backing them

Barca is Barca (and also spends foolish money, just not like Real)

but

a club that truly makes Italians look like stereotypical mafia twats

lolol

Juve

they are even trying to FUCK Barca, just like they FUCKED us for YEARS

I hope they burn, I think they are starting to top Real on my most hated foreign club list

Barca is now INSANE if they do THIS deal

 

If Pjanic leaves, Juventus would want Arthur not Semedo from Barcelona

https://theathletic.com/1821341/2020/05/19/horncastle-pjanic-arthur-barcelona-swaps-transfers/

Shortly after his appointment at Juventus, Maurizio Sarri set Miralem Pjanic a target. He wanted the Bosnian to dictate the play from midfield and have an even greater influence on the team’s style than he enjoyed under Massimiliano Allegri. The aim was for Pjanic to take 150 touches a game in a quick-passing, possession-heavy side. At the time the pandemic stopped play, Juventus’ deep-lying playmaker had broken the 100-touch barrier six times in all competitions; his high of 138 in the 4-0 win over Cagliari in January still falling short of the pre-season goal set by his new coach. The number was arbitrary. Sarri simply wished to convey his desire to make Pjanic central to the way Juventus would play in this brave new era.

As speculation mounts about the former Lyon and Roma playmaker’s future in Turin, it’s legitimate to ask what, if anything, has changed in the meantime. Why appear open to letting Pjanic go when he incarnates your new coach’s philosophy?

Since day one last summer, Sarri has always said it’s up to him to change — the coach must adapt to Juventus, not the other way round. While his opinions and recommendations are taken on board, the club has to strike a balance between what’s best for the team and the business. On the one hand, Pjanic is the midfielder in their squad best suited to Sarri’s brand of football. Instead of selling him, one could argue, Juventus need to build around his metronomic playing style and add more complementary skill players either side.

On the other, Pjanic is now 30, he earns €7 million a year net, his book value has practically been amortised and his value has doubled since his €32 million move to the Allianz Stadium three and a half years ago. Rodrigo Bentancur has also impressed Sarri enough this season to make him think the Uruguayan has a future in front of the defence.

In short, there’s a tidy profit to be made from shifting Pjanic out and, as was the case in the 1990s, if an offer for one of the team’s stars arrives that satisfies both club and player, Juventus will give it consideration.

The exciting performance of a Pjanic-less midfield in Juventus’ most recent game, a 2-0 win over Inter Milan in the Derby d’Italia, continues to echo, although it would be wrong to say the club hierarchy would let a single 90-minute display affect their decision-making.

What is on Juventus’s mind is the impact of the pandemic on the industry, its effect on club revenues and the consequences on transfer strategy. The sales of Emre Can, Mario Mandzukic and Han Kwang-song in January, as well as the players’ swift decision to waive four months’ wages and save the club €90 million, eased the strain on the accounts. Nevertheless, with the season unfinished, the last installment of TV rights unpaid and the prospect of no match-day revenue for the foreseeable future with games due to take place behind closed doors in the event of a restart, prudence is inevitable.

As Juventus’s chief football officer Fabio Paratici told Sky: “It’s clear to everyone that there will be less cash.” He foresees loans that will be longer in duration. “If you can’t buy a house, you rent.” As well as an “NBA-style” transfer window of ‘scambi’ — swap deals to us here in Europe, trades in US sports. “This formula will be used a lot to dilute the payments and to be able to benefit from (new) players.”

At a time when spending power is diminished, player exchanges and the capital gains deriving from them could be king, as they may provide a way of protecting pre-COVID 19 transfer values. Higher profile swaps than the ones we habitually see within Italy may well now become a more regular feature of international business between clubs in Europe’s top five leagues. Juventus already swapped Joao Cancelo for Manchester City’s Danilo (and €28.6m) last summer and were in talks with Paris Saint-Germain to trade Mattia De Sciglio for Layvin Kurzawa over the winter. In January they sent one of their under-23s players, Matheus Pereira, to Barcelona B for €8 million (four times what Juventus paid Empoli for him in 2017) and received Alejandro Marques in return for €8.2 million.

Reports originating in the Catalan media claiming that a deal had been agreed for Portuguese full-back Nelson Semedo to move from Barcelona to Juventus, with Pjanic, De Sciglio and €25 million going the other way, are untrue, a source told The Athletic.

In the event Pjanic leaves, a replacement will be sought irrespective of Bentancur’s potential as a deep-lying playmaker. Procuring one without a trade would be prohibitively expensive — players of Pjanic’s ilk are rare — which explains why Juventus have expressed a preference for Arthur in exchange as the 23-year-old Brazilian corresponds perfectly in age and profile with the midfield that the club and Sarri wish to assemble. The Athletic also understands, however, that Juventus have never made an offer or proposal to Arthur, who is happy at Barcelona and focused on succeeding long term at the Nou Camp.

Barcelona’s interest in doing business with Juventus comes from their pressing financial situation — they need to raise around €50 million to balance their books by the end of their financial year on June 30. Finding a player who Juventus would like to take, and who is open to leaving the Nou Camp at the moment, is a problem however.

Others who Barcelona would be happy to get off their unsustainable wage bill include Ivan Rakitic, Junior Firpo, Samuel Umtiti, Ousmane Dembele and Philippe Coutinho, but for various reasons, none of them are of interest to Juventus. Rakitic told Cadena Cope radio on Monday evening that he would ideally like Barcelona’s president Josep Maria Bartomeu or sporting director Eric Abidal to publicly deny media speculation he is up for sale, but was “only thinking of Barca” at the moment.

For now, leaving the Nou Camp seems like a choice Arthur is reluctant to make while Pjanic, at least according to his friend and former team-mate Mehdi Benatia, is content in Catalonia. “He’s still got three years on his deal at Juventus and he’s happy,” the Moroccan told Italian newspaper Tuttosport. “There are opportunities for him to leave in every window. Real and PSG were after him but, in the end, he extended his contract with Juve. His love for the club prevailed. He’s one of the leaders in the dressing room, he speaks his mind and is respected. Of course, situations can change, the club may decide to sell him. But if it were up to the player, he’d stay in Turin. He has never told me he wants a change of scenery.”

That said, when a player changes agent, as Pjanic did 18 months ago to Falil Ramadani, a different impression can form. But last summer, the free kick maestro’s position on his relationship with Juventus was unequivocal. “We’re in love with each other,” he said.

Still, Pjanic knows, as every player does, that there are times even in a sport as passionate as football when you have to be emotionless. Football is no longer just a game, it’s a business. Paulo Dybala found that out six months ago when he was marketed to Manchester United and Tottenham Hotspur. In the end, the Bosnian may resolve to stay in Turin just as the Argentinian did. But negotiations of recent days are a sign of things to come once the transfer market re-opens. For all the structural differences between the sports and their respective leagues, it could be more of an NBA Jam. Paratici had two adjectives to describe how clubs will need to approach the next window: “One’s creative and the other is we’re going to have to be elastic.”

[King Kante 1,563]

Willy signs an extension.

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  On 19/05/2020 at 17:06, King Kante said:

Willy signs an extension.

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Thought for a sec you meant Willian......yeah its not half bad untill we figure something out.

[Valdo 583]

So Giroud and Caballero extended. So our targets are a LB and a RW now? or can we expect Pedro/Willian to extend as well..

[Jase 43,479]

We should really take the gamble...

[Pizy 18,544]

Yeah, I'm really starting to feel like the virus will completely fuck up any grand transfer plans for everyone. Both incoming and outgoing. Clubs will be reluctant to sell big stars and also shell out mega money with so much uncertainty. I'm really glad we got Ziyech done already.

But I'm not feeling confident at all that we'll be able to splash out on others that we need. Although tbf, our board have been pretty shrewd in getting great players on cheaper transfer fees in recent years (Ziyech, Cesc, Costa, Kante, etc) so maybe we'll have an advantage on some clubs.

[ZAPHOD2319 4,597]

I look at someone like Havertz and think a club that has a little more in reserves might get him at a very fair price if others are being very conservative with their funds.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

  On 20/05/2020 at 17:08, Valdo said:

So Giroud and Caballero extended. So our targets are a LB and a RW now? or can we expect Pedro/Willian to extend as well..

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If we extend Willian or Pedro, thats just throwing sand in our own eyes.

Both have proven they are not good enough to lead our young players. Neither are they reliable as "experienced" players are. We should resign Boga instead. 

[NikkiCFC 8,121]

  On 20/05/2020 at 17:08, Valdo said:

So Giroud and Caballero extended. So our targets are a LB and a RW now? or can we expect Pedro/Willian to extend as well..

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I can see now Willian or Pedro to extend and we do not go for another winger. Puli, CHO, Ziyech, Willian/Pedro.

Frank wanted striker more than anything in January so it is hard to imagine he changed his mind. LB is definitely coming. Probably Chilwell but I still have hope for Alaba.

I also hope we go for top CB. Unpopular opinion but I think Werner is not suited for us.

We will not change anything in midfield and rightly so. Best part of our team plus wingers. I like all of them: Kova, Jorgi, Kante, Gilmour, RLC, Ziyech, CHO, Pulisic. Sadly 3 or 4 of them will always be out of the team.

Plus we have Barkley and Mount.