ZAPHOD2319 4,942 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork 1,794 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 58 minutes ago, Gundalf said: Ehhhhh, no thanks: Its with all the luxury goods: for the highest quality u have to pay relatively more. Is an Iphone Pro Max worth 1200€ instead of an 600€ Xiaomi? Ofc not, but if u want the top notch, u gotta pay. Yes we overpaid a lot on Enzo but cmon, show me a Chelsea fan that doesnt want him here. No regrets. And no, not every DM is as good as Caicedo. Rice is maybe, but thats why he costs 105m - I dont want compromises. Guys like Zubimendi are not as good as Caicedo, so why should be buy him? Bc he is cheaper? Splash the cash and have a midfield duo that can dominate our midfield for at least 8 years. If stats was everything, recruitment would be simple and linear. Zubimendi is good, he is seen as Busquets heir. He is also a true DM. You didn't understand my post regarding Enzo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundalf 806 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 10 minutes ago, Clockwork said: If stats was everything, recruitment would be simple and linear. Zubimendi is good, he is seen as Busquets heir. He is also a true DM. You didn't understand my post regarding Enzo. All football clubs primarily use data and statistics to identify transfer targets. Zubimendi might be good, but Caicedo is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork 1,794 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 15 minutes ago, Gundalf said: All football clubs primarily use data and statistics to identify transfer targets. Zubimendi might be good, but Caicedo is better. Okay, they use statistics alongside the eye test. Caicedo has had one full PL season, on a Brighton side that overachieved. Sometime when the team plays very well an individual player can outperform their level. On the flipside when the team plays terrible, individual players can underperform ex: many players on this Chelsea season last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundalf 806 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, Clockwork said: Okay, they use statistics alongside the eye test. Caicedo has had one full PL season, on a Brighton side that overachieved. Sometime when the team plays very well an individual player can outperform their level. On the flipside when the team plays terrible, individual players can underperform ex: many players on this Chelsea season last season. Yes, and our scouts and coaches (remember Poch reallllyyy wants Caicedo) identified Caicedo as the perfect fit following these statistics and the eye test. Remember Enzo just arrived in Europe when we wanted him, not even playing a full season and our scouts and board said "we need that guy" - and hell, it was worth it. So I trust them if they say Caicedo is the best option to complete that midfield. Yes, its a lot of money, but I dont care, its not mine lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 We need 2 midfielders. Can get lavia and zubimendi for around 100m. I’d say both are better on the ball than caicedo too dimmas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 2,817 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 Zubimendi looks slow and weak. I'd prefer sticking to more robust and dynamic players with skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimmas 131 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 (edited) How about barella as our versatile midfielder/CM and lavia for pure DM. A man can dream. Both will be cost a lot, probably around 75m+45m, but it will be worth the money Edited July 11, 2023 by dimmas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,037 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 11 hours ago, didi007 said: Good on him! Would you or any human being accept reduced wages? Im glad he has a lot of self respect and knows his worth. A champions league winner and semi-finalist player in the world cup should never accept anything this. Al Nassr simply added fitness-related clauses that, if fulfilled, could have still seen Ziyech earn the €15 million per season initially promised to the former Ajax star. That is absolutely fair and a MASSIVE salary! €45m for 36 months!! (as long as he raimains relatively fit). enzoforever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsea_4_eva 1,186 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Vesper said: Al Nassr simply added fitness-related clauses that, if fulfilled, could have still seen Ziyech earn the €15 million per season initially promised to the former Ajax star. That is absolutely fair and a MASSIVE salary! €45m for 36 months!! (as long as he raimains relatively fit). You know if Hakim is confident enough to have a dig at them on social media, then he should be confident enough that he will stay injury free during the season, so there should be no problem with the clause... Edited July 11, 2023 by chelsea_4_eva Vesper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 9,089 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Tomo said: Worth is relative. I'd say for us Enzo was defiently worth the money. Midfielders of his skillset are unbelievably rare and when they come are usually reserved for the Madrids/Barcas of this world, the last one of his type that had any interest in coming here was Modric and even then we eventually got blown out of the water by Madrid entering the fray. Failing to get Enzo would have been a major major blunder. It was hard enough watching him at the world cup (I didn't think we had a snowballs in hells chance of getting him at that point), seeing him at a rival knowing he could have been ours would have stinged, hard. He’s already shown a lot of great attributes but also needs the right partner to give him a bit more of a freer role. Its only been 6 months but it does look like it will become a very good investment in the long run if he can keep kicking on and performing as he has been. Would of been sickening seeing him elsewhere. Still without the release clause, he’d maybe of cost half as much. Or £60-70m at a push. Thats the reality of it. Argentina winning the World Cup with him being a regular fixture didn’t help either. Market is inflated though but even then I think paying a combined £200m for him and Caicedo (if we get him) is still be pretty extreme. Caicedo is never a £100m midfielder - ever. Although a good player. Mental to think though that £100m+ transfers like Enzo, Rice, Grealish and Caicedo probably wouldn’t even be £50m 10 years ago. Edited July 11, 2023 by OneMoSalah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,761 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 Surprised at the lack of DM links after Ugarte. The club is reportedly looking at Caicedo and a creative CM - Veiga/Cherki I would think that the club would sign Lavia or Thuram if they missed out on Ugarte. They seem to be considering Caicedo as the DM or they're working quietly behind the scenes Artandur 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artandur 939 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 Vlahovic would be so stupid, especially at that price. Refusing to believe those reports turgi and enzoforever 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,730 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 Apparently Poch is wanting to see Jackson and Broja in action before going for a striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 2 hours ago, chelsea_4_eva said: You know if Hakim is confident enough to have a dig at them on social media, then he should be confident enough that he will stay injury free during the season, so there should be no problem with the clause... You are absolutely right but it feels like he is now rejecting the move to make a point. I know it stings but at least he did not throw a fit here like Lukaku did. So if he really stays here we should probably try to use him at least as a last resort backup didi007 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,730 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 Datro Fofana has gone to Union on loan, will never see him kick a ball for Chelsea in the PL again, absolute waste of time and effort- Have a feeling this will be the same with Jackson too. kexik and Fernando 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulvhedin 526 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, Special Juan said: Datro Fofana has gone to Union on loan, will never see him kick a ball for Chelsea in the PL again, absolute waste of time and effort- Have a feeling this will be the same with Jackson too. You are comparing guy coming from Norwegian league vs guy who played in Spanish league, ok... Strike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,730 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 1 minute ago, ulvhedin said: You are comparing guy coming from Norwegian league vs guy who played in Spanish league, ok... No I'm not and if you can provide where I said that let's go- I'm telling you now what will happen Jackson will get his chance and fail and by the time the season starts Poch and the board will be flapping like chickens and panicking like fuck because he isn't doing what we thought he could. We will then go all out and rush to bring that other donkey Vlahovic and Jackson will relegated to the bench and sit and produce cameo appearances. Quote this, bookmark it because I'm dying to proven wrong here but I'm telling you now this is very close to how it will go. didi007 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,761 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, ulvhedin said: You are comparing guy coming from Norwegian league vs guy who played in Spanish league, ok... This. Jackson has done well in the Spanish league and was triple the value of Fofana too. Jackson and Broja will both get a look-in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulvhedin 526 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, Special Juan said: No I'm not and if you can provide where I said that let's go- I'm telling you now what will happen Jackson will get his chance and fail and by the time the season starts Poch and the board will be flapping like chickens and panicking like fuck because he isn't doing what we thought he could. We will then go all out and rush to bring that other donkey Vlahovic and Jackson will relegated to the bench and sit and produce cameo appearances. Quote this, bookmark it because I'm dying to proven wrong here but I'm telling you now this is very close to how it will go. mhm ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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