Chelsea Transfers

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

1 minute ago, Vegetable said:

People are crying with pitchforks for them to be gone, because they blame them for us being shit this season, half rightfully so I guess, but the question they seem to miss is WHO TF ARE WE REPLACING THEM WITH? Because if board's idea of answer to this is "another hungry prospect from freaking Brighton's reserves for only 100 million", then no thank you, I prefer Gallagher. And so far they seem to be struggling to land players who are actually better (still remains the fact they may decline after joining us like 90% of those hot topics).

To be honest I prefer our quiet movement as opposed to in January and last summer. We are definitely getting players in. 

[Gundalf 806]

2 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

I am defos concerned about Mount being a good player elsewhere.

I dont care about other clubs, the question is: will these players become good at Chelsea. Sometimes things just dont fit anymore. In my eyes its wrong to limit ourselfs in a vague hope that things might become better in the future when we could improve with other players, only because they MIGHT improve our rivals. 

Because in the end, our rivals will find other players elsewhere to improve themselfs anyway. So we cant stop them from improving themselfs. We should only look at ourselfs and think about what is best for the team. Do we want to have Mount or Havertz in our lineup or not.

[Vegetable 830]

Just now, MoroccanBlue said:

To be honest I prefer our quiet movement as opposed to in January and last summer. We are definitely getting players in. 

So do I, but so far we only have loud rejections and buying players, who are hardly ready for U21 level (like the first clearlake window). In reasonable world, I'd be patient and at ease, but given the recent times here, I wouldn't be surprised had we pulled the fire sale of our (still) best players and not replace them with anyone even comparable.

[robsblubot 3,595]

13 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

It isn't. There's a reason we're willing to let them go to begin with.

Quality players drop 8 out of 10's most week.

nitpicking the word I used.

For me they are both quality players.

[chelsea_4_eva 1,182]

Absolutely no, to selling Havertz to one of our rivals for less than £60M. Can we please work on the ones that really need to go.... have a jumble sale for Ziyech, Puli, RLC, Sarr, KK.

Also hopefully we get some good news regarding the sale of Mount and Kova soon.

Also Lukaku wanting 90M a season... this guy...

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

1 minute ago, Vegetable said:

So do I, but so far we only have loud rejections and buying players, who are hardly ready for U21 level (like the first clearlake window). In reasonable world, I'd be patient and at ease, but given the recent times here, I wouldn't be surprised had we pulled the fire sale of our (still) best players and not replace them with anyone even comparable.

Rejections? Who have we actually bid for? I think we get Caicedo. Far too much noise from reputable people to not suggest we aren't favorites. 

We realistically need only 3 signings. 

 

[Gundalf 806]

7 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

People are crying with pitchforks for them to be gone, because they blame them for us being shit this season, half rightfully so I guess, but the question they seem to miss is WHO TF ARE WE REPLACING THEM WITH? Because if board's idea of answer to this is "another hungry prospect from freaking Brighton's reserves for only 100 million", then no thank you, I prefer Gallagher. And so far they seem to be struggling to land players who are actually better (still remains the fact they may decline after joining us like 90% of those hot topics).

Good point. But to be honest, it doesnt take much to perform better than Havertz and Mount did last season. The question is: can these players improve to a certain point where its acceptable for a club like Chelsea? I still think that Havertz isnt built for the PL and would shine in La Liga e.g. but in the end its just an opinion. Fact is that Havertz has not lived up to the expectations for 3 years now. In my opinion it is worth the gamble to sell him and bring someone new in, at this point we know what we can expect from Havertz, and thats not a lot unfortunately. 

And about Mount: it seems he wants to leave, maybe his head is gone and he needs a fresh start elsewhere to perform. A lot of it is psychology. No point in keeping a player that has his head elsewhere. 

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[robsblubot 3,595]

31 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Yes and I was grateful for Jorginho in also lending a hand in winning that very same European cup however I didn't lose any sleep when we sold him to Arsenal, to which he had a hand in capitulating their title run. Juan Mata had more talent in his left foot than Havertz and Mount combined and did nothing of note when he went to United. Matic as well. 

I am not taking 3 months of good form which was 2 YEARS AGO, and was largely down to who the manager was at the time, sway my perception when the past 18-24 months I have seen some of the worst football imaginable. Gallagher, Mount, and Havertz all having a huge hand in that. 

Because I have seen better players go to direct rivals and didn't affect us in the slightest. Arteta fought hard for Jorginho. City didn't lose any sleep selling Jesus and Sterling. 

This club and fanbase is so intertwined with the notion that we will experience another KDB or Salah situation when we are selling players who have less than a fraction of the talent. 

 

Totally different cases: Matic, Jorginho were over 30yo when we sold them. Mata was way overrated. 🤷‍♂️

"Better" is to the eye of the beholder, but I suggest their valuations disagree with your assessment of them.

[OneMoSalah 8,887]

Just now, Gundalf said:

I dont care about other clubs, the question is: will these players become good at Chelsea. Sometimes things just dont fit anymore. In my eyes its wrong to limit ourselfs in a vague hope that things might become better in the future when we could improve with other players, only because they MIGHT improve our rivals. 

Because in the end, our rivals will find other players elsewhere to improve themselfs anyway. So we cant stop them from improving themselfs. We should only look at ourselfs and think about what is best for the team. Do we want to have Mount or Havertz in our lineup or not.

True but its not to say that Poch cannot take Mount on another level or get him back to playing as he did under Tuchel either. Its one of those where either we try it or we don’t.

Yes he hasn’t been good the last year and a bit or so but he’s had a lot of fitness issues and ultimately we have been piss piss poor. Performances he put in also weren’t up to scratch but he made progress with Tuchel then regressed undoubtedly, but so did a lot of players. 

I think if he goes to United and works wirh ten Haag, it could have success story written all over it, I really do. I mean look at how the likes of Tadic, van der Beek, Ziyech etc all thrived under him at Ajax particularly in European competitions and then struggled under other managers.

We have to be careful also because who do we sign to replace these guys? We need to sell before we buy clearly in some instances but we have to be sure we are going to get a certain calibre of players in and get some of the players that are certainly not good enough out first (would say priority should be getting rid of Kai, Ruben, Connor, Christian, Hakim first).

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

3 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

Totally different cases: Matic, Jorginho were over 30yo when we sold them. Mata was way overrated. 🤷‍♂️

"Better" is to the eye of the beholder, but I suggest their valuations disagree with your assessment of them.

Mate if you consider Havertz a quality player yet Mata as overrated than this argument is redundant and I'm not wasting my time. 

Edited June 14, 2023 by MoroccanBlue

[DDA 9,982]

The sheer audacity of United offering £40m for Mount should be enough to stop all negotiations immediately.

Soo fucking cheeky.

Don't get me started on Lukaku. 

Absolute twat of a human being.

[robsblubot 3,595]

6 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Mate if you consider Havertz a quality player yet Mata as overrated than this argument is redundant and I'm not wasting my time. 

Agreed, agree to disagree.

Realize I did not say one is "better." Different roles, different players, different requirements, different characteristics. It's 11 players... not tennis, or even basketball where a team stops playing when their star player rests.

Edited June 14, 2023 by robsblubot

[Vegetable 830]

8 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Rejections? Who have we actually bid for? I think we get Caicedo. Far too much noise from reputable people to not suggest we aren't favorites. 

We realistically need only 3 signings. 

 

Caicedo seemed PSG-bound the last time I had checked 😀 Maignan openly said he's not interested (not like we had picked Mendy over him a while ago), Skriniar one feet in PSG, Rice we had moaned around and about seem Arsenal-bound and I'm far from being blown away with idea of replacing our keepers with Onana for big money. No striker in sight as well, stil we seem to have quite a bit less of a pull for players, than PSG and Real, so we will have to do with what they will left on the table.

Edited June 14, 2023 by Vegetable

[Gundalf 806]

6 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

True but its not to say that Poch cannot take Mount on another level or get him back to playing as he did under Tuchel either. Its one of those where either we try it or we don’t.

Yes, Poch is the only reason why I wouldnt sell them instantly, in a hope that he can do some magic. The only condition being that we have enough money to buy a good GK, 1 or even 2 good midfielders and a clinical number 9. If we need to sell them to get the money for these players then I would sell without a doubt. But for me, Mount and Havertz are no starters. If we can afford to have them on the bench in the hope they improve under Poch, so be it, if not, get rid of them.  

Edited June 14, 2023 by Gundalf

[Vegetable 830]

3 minutes ago, DDA said:

Don't get me started on Lukaku. 

Absolute twat of a human being.

Or maybe a madman or king of evil.

TBH, no one other than Chelsea Football Club had caused this mess with it's own idiocy, so I even somewhat support him in trolling the shit out of position we had put him in.

[robsblubot 3,595]

3 minutes ago, DDA said:

The sheer audacity of United offering £40m for Mount should be enough to stop all negotiations immediately.

Soo fucking cheeky.

Don't get me started on Lukaku. 

Absolute twat of a human being.

yeah but then it's the time left in the contract.

Wonder if the club made a mistake here: should he be playing with no intention of renewing?

I've been noticing this lately. Clubs don't seem to force players out of the squad due to contracts running out anymore. Has something changed in the legislation around this maybe?

[Strike 7,522]

1 hour ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Lmao Mount, Kovacic, Gallagher, and Havertz all of a sudden within a fortnight are quality players because they are linked with rivals. 😂

We really are a shambolic fanbase. 

Always rated Kai. I think we could have used him better playing behind a striker

[Gundalf 806]

Just now, Vegetable said:

Or maybe a madman or king of evil.

TBH, no one other than Chelsea Football Club had caused this mess with it's own idiocy, so I even somewhat support him in trolling the shit out of position we had put him in.

Its funny how none of the people, who made this deal, are here anymore but still u can see the aftermath of this disaster. Its like an earthquake were people still suffer after years it happened. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

5 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

Caicedo seemed PSG-bound the last time I had checked 😀 Maignan openly said he's not interested (not like we had picked Mendy over him a while ago), Skriniar one feet in PSG, Rice we had moaned around and about seem Arsenal-bound and I'm far from being blown away with idea of replacing our keepers with Onana for big money. No striker in sight as well, stil we seem to have quite a bit less of a pull for players, than PSG and Real, so we will have to do with what they will left on the table.

I don't believe those tier 7 Italian journalists that pretend they are part of the players entourage. So easy to write about us these days. The Rice ordeal as well. Don't believe it. 

We haven't officially bid for anyone yet.