Chelsea Transfers

[Vegetable 830]

Let's not fool ourselves, managers are not the one making transfers, even in such a mess of structure as we were in Tuchel's final days here. They can make suggestions or wishlists, but that's all. Boehly actually wanted more input from manager, so I guess he didn't get it from TT too much. All those players are not first choice. Esp. hard to think Tuchel dreamt of Lukkaku, who doesn't fit his system at all and hindered our tactics and effectiveness like nothing else, but was kind of desperate Marina move. 

Also all those quotes are quite standard press conference bs. No manager ever went with "oh, the idiots upstairs failed at getting the right players,  so I'll have to put up with this useless dumbass they've got somehow as I can't really bench him eternally".

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

1 hour ago, LAM09 said:

This discussion we had early on in the season dawned on me, so I wonder if your opinion has changed at all considering he's been an ever-present for Man City despite all options being available to Pep? 

Surprised how much Akanji has played. Him and Ake actually.

I think their mobility for CBs (and Ake’s versatility) in wider areas has been key to this new system their using this 3-2-4-1 sort of shape when they build. When they lose the ball you tend to see Stones drop in and it goes to a back 4 with either Akanji or Stones playing more as a RB.

Seems to have made them defensively pretty strong. They dont concede big chances and in particular on set plays it helps.

I have no doubts though Ake and Akanji would of been train wrecks here.

Edited April 19, 2023 by OneMoSalah

[LAM09 7,054]

32 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

Dude a coke and lemonade is insignificant, we are talking about 100M investment. That is a shitty and short sighted manager, plus that 100m could have been invested elsewhere.

An investment chosen by the previous ownership, not the manager in charge. The point still stands.

3 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Surprised how much Akanji has played. Him and Ake actually.

I think their mobility for CBs (and Ake’s versatility) in wider areas has been key to this new system their using this 3-2-4-1 sort of shape when they build. When they lose the ball you tend to see Stones drop in and it goes to a back 4 with either Akanji or Stones playing more as a RB.

Seems to have made them defensively pretty strong. They dont concede big chances and in particular on set plays it helps.

I have no doubts though Ake and Akanji would of been train wrecks here.

All right. I concur with the former, but I still hold to my prior opinions regarding the latter. He is superior to what people believe, as he has demonstrated at City.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

14 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

An investment chosen by the previous ownership, not the manager in charge. The point still stands.

All right. I concur with the former, but I still hold to my prior opinions regarding the latter. He is superior to what people believe, as he has demonstrated at City.

Perhaps but I think at Dortmund this level we are seeing wasn’t anywhere near the level of performance Akanji was putting out. Why I don’t know but different team, system, manager, standard of team mates etc all to consider as well as the individual’s level also. 

How he gets on next season will be interesting. I don’t think he’s an elite level player and I’d imagine if City get a proper LB next season him and/or Ake will find their minutes reduced considerably. 

[Clockwork 1,794]

53 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

An investment chosen by the previous ownership, not the manager in charge. The point still stands.

All right. I concur with the former, but I still hold to my prior opinions regarding the latter. He is superior to what people believe, as he has demonstrated at City.

No point doesn’t stand, get over it Tuchel is shit at signing players all of his players have been ass.

[LAM09 7,054]

Just now, Clockwork said:

No point doesn’t stand, get over it Tuchel is shit at signing players all of his players have been ass.

Or you keep thinking he's to blame because it suits your narrative and your opinion of him.

[Clockwork 1,794]

7 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Or you keep thinking he's to blame because it suits your narrative and your opinion of him.

All of his signing have been terrible Kk, Sterling, CuCu, Lukaku, etc. The evidence is overwhelming.

‘Also thank god he wasn’t able to sign Raphinea.

Edited April 19, 2023 by Clockwork

[LAM09 7,054]

16 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

All of his signing have been terrible Kk, Sterling, CuCu, Lukaku, etc. The evidence is overwhelming.

‘Also thank god he wasn’t able to sign Raphinea.

"His". 😄

How is it on that hill?

[Fernando 6,585]

Yeah tuchel was bad at signing. 

[Thor 2,705]

I think our team is packed full of talent. 

We need a number 9, another CM and a GK (though I don't think our situation is anywhere near as bad as people make out on here). 

We need to trim the squad and get a manager who will instil tactics. 

[Special Juan 28,141]

The fact we have no number 9 what so ever, someone needs hanging for that alone. 

Next season if we go again with Havertz then we deserve everything we get, he's be the first fucker out the door this summer for me. The clear and money raised will be a serious amount of cash freed up. 

We don't many players, we need another CM, keeper and number 9. Sell the shit, reduce the wages and start again.

[Superblue 6,372]

44 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

The fact we have no number 9 what so ever, someone needs hanging for that alone. 

Next season if we go again with Havertz then we deserve everything we get, he's be the first fucker out the door this summer for me. The clear and money raised will be a serious amount of cash freed up. 

We don't many players, we need another CM, keeper and number 9. Sell the shit, reduce the wages and start again.

I think Broja would have played quite a bit in the second half of this season, not necessarily starting every game but a different alternative to Havertz as a bona fide striking option, and in doing so, we'd have a much better idea then of his progression and where he'd fit into the squad overall.

However he went down before the January window so a decision should have been made on our striking options at that point. I'm not sure when Potter has decided that Auba wasn't for him, and perhaps they anticipated using Fofana more than he was, but the lack of striking options and goals have been the biggest problem on the pitch this season that must be addressed.

Completely agree on the three positions needed but the keeper and striker are absolutely critical and I think if we sorted those two positions in particular in the summer then I do think you're looking at a completely different prospect.

[Tomo 21,751]

12 hours ago, LAM09 said:

"His". 😄

How is it on that hill?

He was beaming in the press conference after Lukaku signed.

I hope it was his pick because the alternative was he was insulting the intelligence of every supporter.

[ZAPHOD2319 4,818]

I would not be shocked if we were one of the three.

 

 

[Gundalf 806]

15 hours ago, Vegetable said:

Let's not fool ourselves, managers are not the one making transfers, even in such a mess of structure as we were in Tuchel's final days here. They can make suggestions or wishlists, but that's all. Boehly actually wanted more input from manager, so I guess he didn't get it from TT too much. All those players are not first choice. Esp. hard to think Tuchel dreamt of Lukkaku, who doesn't fit his system at all and hindered our tactics and effectiveness like nothing else, but was kind of desperate Marina move. 

Also all those quotes are quite standard press conference bs. No manager ever went with "oh, the idiots upstairs failed at getting the right players,  so I'll have to put up with this useless dumbass they've got somehow as I can't really bench him eternally".

A coach doesnt just hand in a Plan A wishlist. He also hands in a Plan B or C list. You really think that if plan A is not possible the owners of clubs just randomly sign an alternative not based on coaches suggestions? LOL

Names like Koulibaly, Cucurella and Sterling definitely were on Tuchels list. Maybe not on list A, but def. on list B. 

Edited April 20, 2023 by Gundalf

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

15 hours ago, LAM09 said:

That was exactly my point. I've always said and will continue to say so until there's evidence to provide otherwise—that most managers didn't get their main targets. 

A quick analogy: I want a can of Coke more than anything but would be okay with store brand lemonade if I were forced. I end up with the latter as a result. I didn't WANT the latter but will put up with it.

The two options aren't equal.

That was nothing more than a publicity stunt. 

You're missing my point. 

That decision is still ultimately yours, and using your analogy if all the signs pointed to that store brand lemonade making you sick, and you still decided to buy it despite all signs pointing not to, that is still on you. 

This also isn't a case of certain options being significantly better than one another given Tuchel publicly stated he wanted Lukaku and praised his qualities when we bought him. 

 

 

Edited April 20, 2023 by MoroccanBlue

[LAM09 7,054]

1 hour ago, Tomo said:

He was beaming in the press conference after Lukaku signed.

I hope it was his pick because the alternative was he was insulting the intelligence of every supporter.

As @Vegetable pointed out, he wasn't exactly going to publicly say he wasn't satisfied with the business.  

1 hour ago, MoroccanBlue said:

You're missing my point. 

That decision is still ultimately yours, and using your analogy if all the signs pointed to that store brand lemonade making you sick, and you still decided to buy it despite all signs pointing not to, that is still on you. 

This also isn't a case of certain options being significantly better than one another given Tuchel publicly stated he wanted Lukaku and praised his qualities when we bought him. 

If I'm thirsty, would you rather I died of dehydration than have the only other alternative?

The above echoes the obvious. Tuchel wanted Haaland & Kane; if you think those players aren't significantly better than Lukaku, I'm already fighting a losing battle.  

[Tomo 21,751]

10 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

As @Vegetable pointed out, he wasn't exactly going to publicly say he wasn't satisfied with the business.  

There's middle ground between that and insulting supporters intelligence.

He could have also done what his fellow countryman did multiple times at Liverpool and told the board to wait until the right fit for his style fell on his lap.

[LAM09 7,054]

8 minutes ago, Tomo said:

There's middle ground between that and insulting supporters intelligence.

He could have also done what his fellow countryman did multiple times at Liverpool and told the board to wait until the right fit for his style fell on his lap.

That's a bone to pick with him personally. It might have come down to his eagerness to compete for the title after winning the CL. My guess is as good as anyone's in that regard.

On the topic of Klopp, isn't it meant to be believed that Salah was never his choice?

If accurate, your comparison doesn't really mean much.

Edited April 20, 2023 by LAM09

[ZAPHOD2319 4,818]