Chelsea Transfers

[Superblue 6,372]

7 hours ago, Strike said:

I am curious about one thing with all those saying Enzo at 100m was way too much - What would be your midfield signing(s) ?

 

3 hours ago, Vesper said:

yep, everyone's a critic yet repeatedly I have asked numerous other posters who they would go for (and not just about Enzo either) in terms of players we are not linked with and/or are blowing off and................

I'd like to think this is the whole point of the scouting and recruitment areas of the club being completely revamped.

All of these names being mentioned - Caicedo, Enzo, Mac Allister at one point were available for low fees earlier in their development and just require some time and patience to develop.

Football moves so quickly, there's no chance that 6 months ago when Benfica were signing Enzo that fast forward to now he'd be being looked at as one of the top midfielders in world football and 120m release clause sounds a "fair deal".

Any way you want to look at this, 120m is a massive risk on a player. He could become one of the top midfielders of his generation but are you prepared to gamble 120m for that? He's played in Europe for 6 months in the Portuguese league. He looks a real player but there are so many factors to consider, and it's hardly like we have a great track record of big money buys as it is. 

The key is for the likes of Vivell, Winstanley, Shields, etc to find the next ones because there will be a next one, that's how football works. It's a never ending conveyor belt and it's all about picking the right one from it at the right time. It also isn't as simple as looking at the best player we all think can be bought on the market if the fit here isn't right and that's another beauty about recruitment in sport. There's no guarantee. We may pick a player up that people don't rate at the same level as Enzo, but he ends up slotting into the side and fits like a glove for our team. Liverpool signed Wijnaldum who struggled in a relegated Newcastle side and he just fit them and elevated his game. Maybe we do the same in the summer with Lavia if Southampton went down, and he needed this season of playing more regularly to kick on and we get the benefits from that next year. I don't know, but I know that if we start shopping at the Enzo end of the market yet again, if it goes wrong, it significantly limits what we can do then moving forward.

[Vesper 30,224]

25 minutes ago, DDA said:

People not rating Mac Alister??

[Superblue 6,372]

9 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Seeing quotes from Potter now saying Pulisic is out injured again for as long as a couple of months. We need to bin this crock the moment the summer window opens. Made of glass is an understatement when it comes to him. 

Get the 2 lightweight wingers Pulisic and Ziyech out and replace them with some strong, powerful athletes. 

They're not giving anything out yet on Sterling either, but the fact his scans and assessments are being done would also suggest his could be similarly as bad.

With that in mind, you can perhaps see a bit more reason for why we've bit the bullet for Felix in the short term to add an extra attacker to the squad. 

It's still a big commitment though when realistically we're finishing out of the top 4 this season anyway, bar a huge turnaround in fortunes.

[milka 3,393]

 

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

You are clearly biased towards home-grown players. You like Mount and want Rice and Phillips here. All 3 mid table players at best. 

Don't think I've ever said I want rice here, I like mount because I like Chelsea, he's from the academy he's Chelsea to the core, kalvin Phillips offers huge potential to this team, was.good.enough for pep for his attacking system? But I guess we are far to good for him eh?  Oh an the fact he grew up in the same area as me.

Edited January 11, 2023 by YorkshireBlue

[DDA 9,941]

26 minutes ago, milka said:

 

Yea for half the price we got him off them for... 

That makes sense.... it's a Chelsea thing to throw money away.

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

8 minutes ago, DDA said:

Yea for half the price we got him off them for... 

That makes sense.... it's a Chelsea thing to throw money away.

Rather harsh to judge auba tbh, we create nothing, feed a striker scraps at a minimum and call him shit isn't exactly fair.

[lucio 5,418]

2 hours ago, YorkshireBlue said:

You obviously didn't pay close attention to Leeds, he was the main reason they could play like they did, and look what happend when he got injured 

I didn't pay any attention to leeds,  they aren't worth my time. We need top quality,  not players / coaches who did decent for leeds / Brighton 

[Vesper 30,224]

6 minutes ago, Superblue said:

 

I'd like to think this is the whole point of the scouting and recruitment areas of the club being completely revamped.

All of these names being mentioned - Caicedo, Enzo, Mac Allister at one point were available for low fees earlier in their development and just require some time and patience to develop.

Football moves so quickly, there's no chance that 6 months ago when Benfica were signing Enzo that fast forward to now he'd be being looked at as one of the top midfielders in world football and 120m release clause sounds a "fair deal".

Any way you want to look at this, 120m is a massive risk on a player. He could become one of the top midfielders of his generation but are you prepared to gamble 120m for that? He's played in Europe for 6 months in the Portuguese league. He looks a real player but there are so many factors to consider, and it's hardly like we have a great track record of big money buys as it is. 

The key is for the likes of Vivell, Winstanley, Shields, etc to find the next ones because there will be a next one, that's how football works. It's a never ending conveyor belt and it's all about picking the right one from it at the right time. It also isn't as simple as looking at the best player we all think can be bought on the market if the fit here isn't right and that's another beauty about recruitment in sport. There's no guarantee. We may pick a player up that people don't rate at the same level as Enzo, but he ends up slotting into the side and fits like a glove for our team. Liverpool signed Wijnaldum who struggled in a relegated Newcastle side and he just fit them and elevated his game. Maybe we do the same in the summer with Lavia if Southampton went down, and he needed this season of playing more regularly to kick on and we get the benefits from that next year. I don't know, but I know that if we start shopping at the Enzo end of the market yet again, if it goes wrong, it significantly limits what we can do then moving forward.

I post on youth targets too

many of mine have blown up

I think we are doing well in buying youth

and I also have issue with people who moan about them, slate them

I see it being done with some of ours already

Santos for instance, before the lad has even kicked a ball for us

we are just going to have to disagree about Enzo

I have seen almost no young players who I see and they instantly go into the 'so good they can change an entire team' category

lately the only ones I would say I have said that about the first couple times I saw them play are

Mbappe at Monaco early on

Håland at RB Salzburg (not Molde, Norwegian football is not exactly easy to scout, I am NOT a pro, obviously)

Tchou at Bordeaux and especially at Monaco

Bellingham at Birmingham

Alphonso Davies the first time I saw him play LB

De Bruyne at Genk starting around 2011, when they won the league for only the 3rd time in their history, then elation when we bought him, then on loan at Werder Bremen, and then my utter freakout when we sold him

Josko Gvardiol his first season at Dinamo as starter

see this from 2020 on youth CBs I rated (Bold as usual is rate them a lot) or at least thought worth watching

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Enzo a little later on, not as a teen, BUT, going back at watching his play at Defensa y Justicia, especially against a superb Palmeiras side in the 2021 Recopa Sudamericana, it is obvious he was special already, which he showed his last season at River Plate, when he started scoring as well

and now

Warren Zaire-Emery, a 16yo on PSG who has the potential to be the best MFer in the world, eventually, he is a freak:

 

[Blue Armour 4,448]

7 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said:

 

I'm more curious as to whether you actually believe splashing 120 million on a single player (who hasn't actually proven anything at club level) will somehow elevate Chelsea back into the top 4 fight?

Price notwithstanding, an excellent midfielder CAN make all the difference.

Bruno Guilmares transformed Newcastle from relegation contenders and put them in top 4 contention. Fernandes did similar for United when he arrived. Even a fully fit Kante has done the same for us.

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

23 minutes ago, lucio said:

I didn't pay any attention to leeds,  they aren't worth my time. We need top quality,  not players / coaches who did decent for leeds / Brighton

Right... didn't you want Raphinha?

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

8 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

Price notwithstanding, an excellent midfielder CAN make all the difference.

Bruno Guilmares transformed Newcastle from relegation contenders and put them in top 4 contention. Fernandes did similar for United when he arrived. Even a fully fit Kante has done the same for us.

You could buy 3 Bruno's for 120million.

[DDA 9,941]

55 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Rather harsh to judge auba tbh, we create nothing, feed a striker scraps at a minimum and call him shit isn't exactly fair.

I didn't criticise his ability. I am criticising our business sense.

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

8 minutes ago, DDA said:

I didn't criticise his ability. I am criticising our business sense.

I know I was using your post to highlight my point rather, than pointing my point to you lol 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,819]

 

[Strike 7,494]

 

 

[Strike 7,494]

27 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

You could buy 3 Bruno's for 120million.

Is there a quality mid available who the club can sign ?

[DDA 9,941]

31 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

I know I was using your post to highlight my point rather, than pointing my point to you lol 

My bad.

Edited January 11, 2023 by DDA

[Vesper 30,224]

34 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

You could buy 3 Bruno's for 120million.

its £106m, 120m is euros

and good luck trying to buy Bruno now for less than £75-85m

[Vesper 30,224]

11 minutes ago, Strike said:

 

 

8 fucking minutes with Barca at the end of their first league game is fucking us, ffs

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