Chelsea Transfers

[Pizy 18,877]

Just now, Tomo said:

One of Ten Hag's first actions in his first United presser was to suck off Harry Maguire.

They invested in Varane last summer and bizarrely are dead set in making Maguire work, CB is the last place they're investing in certainly for the price it would take for MDL.

True, that’s why we’re in the drivers seat for sure. Maguire would be basically impossible to move unless they practically gave him away for peanuts. But if for whatever reason Ten Hag didn’t fancy Varane there’s always a chance de Ligt would be an option if we haven’t sealed it.

[Superblue 6,372]

17 minutes ago, DDA said:

Anyone who believes Ake is the answer is severely deluded.

I'm not advocating Ake, but a lot of people felt the same way about Rudiger when he waltzed back into the team when Tuchel came in.

Christensen stepped up, Chalobah stepped up, a 37 year old Thiago Silva looked about 25 years old.

I trust Tuchel and the system he uses to bring the best out of the defence and whilst I think there are better options available I do think Ake's skillset is well suited to a back 3.

[nyikolajevics 2,690]

Signing Ake wouldn’t be necesserally bad step, depends on what our plans are. Right now we have Sarr as backup CB/LB, he is awful. Ake would be huge upgrade. He is not top player but wouldn’t be worried to have him in the DEF against any team in Europe. Also can play in the midfield in case.

 

Still, we need one marquee signing like De Ligt, Skriniar or Coulibaly, but Ake would be a noce addition too.

[OneMoSalah 8,885]

5 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I'm not advocating Ake, but a lot of people felt the same way about Rudiger when he waltzed back into the team when Tuchel came in.

Christensen stepped up, Chalobah stepped up, a 37 year old Thiago Silva looked about 25 years old.

I trust Tuchel and the system he uses to bring the best out of the defence and whilst I think there are better options available I do think Ake's skillset is well suited to a back 3.

I dont see it with Ake. Unless he will be a squad player.

He was part of one of the leakiest PL defences for 2 or 3 seasons with Bournemouth. How he got a move to City in the first place I will never understand because I don’t think he’s at that level to compete with Dias, Laporte, maybe even Stones. Fair enough he has more chances of playing here but again due to a shortage of numbers and not down to his actual quality if you ask me. 

[Clockwork 1,794]

12 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I'm not advocating Ake, but a lot of people felt the same way about Rudiger when he waltzed back into the team when Tuchel came in.

Christensen stepped up, Chalobah stepped up, a 37 year old Thiago Silva looked about 25 years old.

I trust Tuchel and the system he uses to bring the best out of the defence and whilst I think there are better options available I do think Ake's skillset is well suited to a back 3.

How come people are willing to admit that Tuchel system cover up a lot of defenders deficiencies yet are unwilling to admit that his tactics are an issue for why our attackers struggle. 

[Superblue 6,372]

Just now, Clockwork said:

How come people are willing to admit that Tuchel system cover up a lot of defenders deficiencies yet are unwilling to admit that his tactics are an issue for why our attackers struggle. 

I think there's arguments about his system with regards to attacking players (especially when we lost Chilwell and James last season) but all of these attackers were inconsistent under Lampard too. They've all had periods of blowing hot and cold under Tuchel which is the most frustrating aspect.

 

[milka 3,390]

 

[Superblue 6,372]

13 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

I dont see it with Ake. Unless he will be a squad player.

He was part of one of the leakiest PL defences for 2 or 3 seasons with Bournemouth. How he got a move to City in the first place I will never understand because I don’t think he’s at that level to compete with Dias, Laporte, maybe even Stones. Fair enough he has more chances of playing here but again due to a shortage of numbers and not down to his actual quality if you ask me. 

I'm not sure myself about Ake. I see him in a similar way to Kounde in that I think he is suited to a back 3 but I wouldn't trust him to be a centre back in a back 4. I think if we did go for him, he would essentially be replacing Christensen as the utility defender that can cover a couple of the positions and I think my thoughts on it would really depend on how much he would cost. 

De Ligt for me is the big one we need to finalise, I think he has enormous potential to grow into one of the best centre backs of his generation. I'm not a fan of paying £80m+ for him but if we could get him for a reasonable price and Werner or a player we're willing to trade then I think it's worth going for.

[Thor 2,692]

Not sure what people have against buying off City, or any other great team if the player is on the bench. 

 

With the amount of talent they have, and some other teams, the bench players can be great pieces, or players that haven't gotten a proper chance due to not fitting the current system. Kovacic is a great example of this. I'm sure Salah isn't that good either who was sitting on our bench. KDB too. Why did Liverpool and City ever buy them... 

 

Ake is a nice piece. Not sure if he is what puts us over the top, but clearly a capable player and could shine. 

[Tomo 21,751]

I mean, I wouldn't want Ake as our marquee defensive signing but if he's coming with MDL i wouldn't mind it too much.

He ups the average age of our defense and it offers Colwill a realistic pathway if he deserves it.

[Clockwork 1,794]

2 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I think there's arguments about his system with regards to attacking players (especially when we lost Chilwell and James last season) but all of these attackers were inconsistent under Lampard too. They've all had periods of blowing hot and cold under Tuchel which is the most frustrating aspect.

 

Well Lampard had his own obvious tactical issues. I am not very optimistic unless Tuchel evolves, if we sign new attackers next summer we will be crying how we should get rid of him and sign new ones. 
 

It is just not tactics, but also how quickly he changes the front three. 

[YorkshireBlue 3,268]

New ownership same shit, sell players to buy them back fucking pointless.

[YorkshireBlue 3,268]

10 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

Well Lampard had his own obvious tactical issues. I am not very optimistic unless Tuchel evolves, if we sign new attackers next summer we will be crying how we should get rid of him and sign new ones. 
 

It is just not tactics, but also how quickly he changes the front three. 

Problem TT has is he working with like 3 different managers players. That's always been the problem with just sacking managers you end up with the massive sqaud of useless players. When I say useless I mean don't fit the current managers play style. Jorginho for instance was bought by sarri to play his way, now he's just a 50mill back passer.

[Tomo 21,751]

6 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

 It is just not tactics, but also how quickly he changes the front three. 

That I can agree with.

Will be hard to totally stick with a trio in a world cup year but I'd try and use four (for me assuming we sign no one else Sterling, Kai, CHO and Mount) for the bulk of the minutes and have a 5th (whoever out of the rest don't get their move) behind that.

Edited June 27, 2022 by Tomo

[Superblue 6,372]

11 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

Well Lampard had his own obvious tactical issues. I am not very optimistic unless Tuchel evolves, if we sign new attackers next summer we will be crying how we should get rid of him and sign new ones. 
 

It is just not tactics, but also how quickly he changes the front three. 

I agree on the rotation of the attack I think it's been excessive at times and does impede the chances of a player getting a good run. Tuchel probably needs to be stricter in this regard and get a bigger run of games with a preferred front 3. Maybe buying one or two of his own players will help with that.

It's not like attackers have regularly failed under Tuchel though. Aubameyang and Dembele thrived at Dortmund, Neymar was at his best at PSG under Tuchel, so I wouldn't point the finger entirely at him being unable to get the best out of attackers. I do think our attackers as a group have a consistency problem but ultimately it is up to Tuchel to get the best out of them.