Chelsea Transfers

[Pizy 18,877]

42 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

 

Pre-Clearlake we would 100% have done the obvious deal and signed Osimhen whilst sending Lukaku the other way. Really goes to show how determined these owners are to adhere to this new wage structure when the one striker we’ve been linked to for years, who idolizes our legendary striker, when we badly need a lead #9, and we don’t even make an attempt.

30 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I gave up on Yoro when he said he only wanted Real, as that meant a club that could change his mind would have to offer him insane wages

I do not see why he just doesnt wait until summer 2025 and go to Real on a free, which would mean he would also get a signing bonus that would come out of that transfer money they saved

They must have gone all out behind the scenes convincing him that he’ll be more of a key player right away for United than he would be at Madrid.

But it does feel insane to turn down this particular Real Madrid who have several young Frenchman who he will know well and he would grow with at both club level and national team level there. Like, why tf would you say no to playing with Mbappe, Camavinga, Tcho etc to play for a United team that were dreadful and need basically half a new first XI? 

United must have offered wages that he and his family couldn’t say no to.

[LAM09 7,043]

47 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Pre-Clearlake we would 100% have done the obvious deal and signed Osimhen whilst sending Lukaku the other way. Really goes to show how determined these owners are to adhere to this new wage structure when the one striker we’ve been linked to for years, who idolizes our legendary striker, when we badly need a lead #9, and we don’t even make an attempt.

Profit comes first for them. Roman wanted us to be European & World champs so badly. During the majority of his ownership, he put his money where his mouth was, which is a large reason we were as successful as we were.

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Jackson is better than Osimhen. No thanks. 

[Pizy 18,877]

33 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Profit comes first for them. Roman wanted us to be European & World champs so badly. During the majority of his ownership, he put his money where his mouth was, which is a large reason we were as successful as we were.

In this specific case I’m glad we didn’t do it, though. I think a monster fee + huge wages for Osimhen would be a mistake for us. For me, we need a more complete striker and not a more classic #9. With the financial outlay recently I think another mega-money flop would be hugely damaging and Osimhen definitely had bust potential written all over him.

If a prime, world class striker who was also a top all around footballer was available I’d want us to pay whatever it took. A Luis Suarez sort of style for example. 

Club really do appear to be all in on Nico Jackson being the star man and becoming truly elite whilst developing Guiu at the same time as his backup.

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51 minutes ago, Pizy said:

In this specific case I’m glad we didn’t do it, though. I think a monster fee + huge wages for Osimhen would be a mistake for us. For me, we need a more complete striker and not a more classic #9. With the financial outlay recently I think another mega-money flop would be hugely damaging and Osimhen definitely had bust potential written all over him.

If a prime, world class striker who was also a top all around footballer was available I’d want us to pay whatever it took. A Luis Suarez sort of style for example. 

Club really do appear to be all in on Nico Jackson being the star man and becoming truly elite whilst developing Guiu at the same time as his backup.

Lukaku's departure to Napoli is inevitable, which would have considerably reduced any outlay for Osimhen. Personally, I don't get the narrative around "gambles," given that no player is guaranteed to duplicate their form elsewhere or perform to their full ability. Osimhen would have been a calculated gamble, with Lukaku moving the opposite way.

Based on your prior statements, I assume you'd support Alvarez joining for £75 million~; nevertheless, he'd be a bigger gamble, imo.

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3 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Lukaku's departure to Napoli is inevitable, which would have considerably reduced any outlay for Osimhen. Personally, I don't get the narrative around "gambles," given that no player is guaranteed to duplicate their form elsewhere or perform to their full ability. Osimhen would have been a calculated gamble, with Lukaku moving the opposite way.

Based on your prior statements, I assume you'd support Alvarez joining for £75 million~; nevertheless, he'd be a bigger gamble, imo.

Agreed on that all signings are a gamble to some degree.

Compared to a limited player like Lukaku, Alvarez is as sure as it gets. Alvarez can play in all 3 attacking positions, or even behind the striker. He's just an excellent round footballer; no, he's not a pure striker, which is a good thing in my book.

[Pizy 18,877]

55 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Lukaku's departure to Napoli is inevitable, which would have considerably reduced any outlay for Osimhen. Personally, I don't get the narrative around "gambles," given that no player is guaranteed to duplicate their form elsewhere or perform to their full ability. Osimhen would have been a calculated gamble, with Lukaku moving the opposite way.

Based on your prior statements, I assume you'd support Alvarez joining for £75 million~; nevertheless, he'd be a bigger gamble, imo.

Yeah, as rob says below I’d be all for Alvarez because he’s more than just a finisher/poacher. And as much as people often roll their eyes and downplay the importance, him being PL proven would be a big plus. 

 Even if we were really intent on getting Alvarez behind the scenes, Enzo probably killed any chance of that happening. Imagine the optics and the message it would send to our black players if we signed a dude who may have been on that very bus signing along with Enzo…

[LAM09 7,043]

1 hour ago, robsblubot said:

Agreed on that all signings are a gamble to some degree.

Compared to a limited player like Lukaku, Alvarez is as sure as it gets. Alvarez can play in all 3 attacking positions, or even behind the striker. He's just an excellent round footballer; no, he's not a pure striker, which is a good thing in my book.

28 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Yeah, as rob says below I’d be all for Alvarez because he’s more than just a finisher/poacher. And as much as people often roll their eyes and downplay the importance, him being PL proven would be a big plus. 

 Even if we were really intent on getting Alvarez behind the scenes, Enzo probably killed any chance of that happening. Imagine the optics and the message it would send to our black players if we signed a dude who may have been on that very bus signing along with Enzo…

He has scored 20 goals in 67 EPL games, playing for comfortably the most dominant side in the league. This isn't a dig at him; I just feel we need an out-and-out scorer with the current crop of players. 

The Firmino comparison is lazy when you consider who was playing on either side of him. Imagine Firmino playing upfront; we'd be reliant on Palmer (based on last season's numbers).

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15 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

He has scored 20 goals in 67 EPL games, playing for comfortably the most dominant side in the league. This isn't a dig at him; I just feel we need an out-and-out scorer with the current crop of players. 

The Firmino comparison is lazy when you consider who was playing on either side of him. Imagine Firmino playing upfront; we'd be reliant on Palmer (based on last season's numbers).

I honestly don't understand this point esp when you consider he plays, like I mentioned in multiple positions in attack, and their main striker is Haaland. He even played many of these games behind Haaland.

I also don't understand when people simply project number of goals from other leagues into the PL when we sign strikers from other leagues. Similarly you can't project what Alvarez would do in a completely different system, with teammates with different characteristics, and playing in a different role.

I'd always trust a player who is an excellent footballer like him, with great skill on the ball, versus limited strikers like Lukaku.
I would love to see Alvarez linking up with Cole for ex, but that's me I guess.

[Strike 7,478]

My feeling - we end up with Summerville for LW

Nico Williams, Olise, Doue, Mathys Tel were out of reach. Adeyemi was not a serious target.

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3 hours ago, LAM09 said:

Lukaku's departure to Napoli is inevitable, which would have considerably reduced any outlay for Osimhen. Personally, I don't get the narrative around "gambles," given that no player is guaranteed to duplicate their form elsewhere or perform to their full ability. Osimhen would have been a calculated gamble, with Lukaku moving the opposite way.

Based on your prior statements, I assume you'd support Alvarez joining for £75 million~; nevertheless, he'd be a bigger gamble, imo.

I think wage structure came in the way and I don't think Osimhen is the kind of player you break a wage structure for. 

 

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7 hours ago, Pizy said:

You think it’s frustrating for us, try being a Liverpool or Newcastle fan. I don’t think either of them have signed a single player and their fans are going mad about it. Liverpool fans in particular are livid. I don’t think City or Arse have brought anyone in either, though their fans are of course more calm and understanding since they’re in such a good spot with their squads.

At least we’ve signed 4 players that will be big contributors. And just the returning injured players make me excited personally. 

The only really frustrating thing for me about our club is how we have suddenly decided that we won’t even TRY to target someone from the truly top bracket anymore if there’s a special one available. When just in 2024 alone we were fine spending 100m twice. I can understand them wanting to be more responsible with the spending going forward but I’d love to see us supplement all these younger or cheaper signings with just 1 “money is no object for this one special player” signing.

The market's changed. Everyone's more sober this window because of financial concerns. The dominos haven't moved like they did in the 22 or 23 summer window. 

I'm okay with the business. I don't think we have signed 4 contributors - I think KDH, Tosin, might see some gametime. But our first XI hasn't improved other than injured players coming back. Even with that, we could really use a GK, ST, LW at least. 

[Special Juan 28,133]

PSG and Barca just wandering around throwing cash at all sorts and getting the nod from players like Osimhen, Neves and Williams to Barca

Like I said yesterday, Osimhen will pull up tress in that shit league and Williams get his dream move to the ever skint Barca who will pay in 300 installments to get him

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11 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Williams get his dream move to the ever skint Barca who will pay in 300 installments to get him

And bully him into taking a pay cut, publicly shaming him if he wont basically play for free. Only a matter of time.

[King Kante 1,643]

6 hours ago, LAM09 said:

He has scored 20 goals in 67 EPL games, playing for comfortably the most dominant side in the league. This isn't a dig at him; I just feel we need an out-and-out scorer with the current crop of players. 

The Firmino comparison is lazy when you consider who was playing on either side of him. Imagine Firmino playing upfront; we'd be reliant on Palmer (based on last season's numbers).

Yeah, but of those 67 games, he has only played the equivalent of 45 games at 4090 minutes. On top of that he has 10 assists, so that is 20 goals and 10 assists in 45 games. 

His CL stats read - 17 games, 736 mins (equivalent of 8 games), 8 goals, 4 assists. 

On top of that he is firmly playing second fiddle to Häland and drops into midfield a lot and has shown he is technical and tenacious enough to play and be trusted by Pep - which is a feat in itself - see what he did to Kalvin Phillips after a big money transfer. 

I don't see anyone as good as Alverez on the market that is potentially gettable. David for instance is pony but has nice numbers because he plays in France - hence why no one is picking him up for £20-£30m. 

Edited July 18, 2024 by King Kante