OhForAGreavsie 6,127 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) According to Chris Sutton, Lavia was 'supurb' for Southampton tonight. That's doubly bad news for those of us who would like us to sign him. First, it can only make Southampton more determined to hold on to him for their relegation fight. Second, it gave City a first hand encouragement to exercise their buy back option. There is no way we can pay Southampton enough money to compensate them for being relegated, so I think only a cash plus player, or players, deal even has a chance of tempting them. It could take two, or even three, players who they think can help them plus cash. Auba/DDF, Connor, anyone else? Edited January 11, 2023 by OhForAGreavsie Vesper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 1 minute ago, OhForAGreavsie said: According to Chris Sutton, Latvia was 'supurb' for Southampton tonight. That's doubly bad news for those of us who would like us to sign him. First, it can only make Southampton more determined to hold on to him for their relegation fight. Second, it gave City a first hand encouragement to exercise their buy back option. There is no way we can pay Southampton enough money to compensate them for being relegated, so I think only a cash plus player, or players, deal even has a chance of tempting them. It could take two, or even three, players who they think can help them plus cash. Auba/DDF, Connor, anyone else? What is City's buy back on him? I genuinely don't see a situation where we can entice them this window. We're short of players as it is currently so trying to package a couple into a deal I don't think will work. Gallagher is maybe the most desirable to them but why would he go there when they're struggling to stay up. He'd at worst I think be looking at a stable mid table club if he were to move on (maybe he'd be more suitable for Brighton if we went for one of their midfielders). I may be wrong, but I think Premier League rules prevent us loaning a player out to another Prem club when we've acquired them that window which rules out the likes of Fofana. I still think out best opportunity is to see if Southampton go down and try for him in the summer. There will of course be the risk of City wanting him back but he has a choice not to join them. He left for a reason in the first place permanently, probably because he saw no route to the first team. If we're also in for him in the summer, he may view us as the more attractive proposition on the basis of being more likely to play regularly. It's the same reason I could see an attempt to buy back Livramento in the future being more difficult than it may seem because he'll know that so long as Reece is fit then he's first choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,127 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 8 minutes ago, Superblue said: I'd look at it the same way. If it suits let him go back on loan and let them cover his wages for the rest of the season in the hope that he can be sold for a few million in the summer after a good 6 months. Worst case scenario, you can give him a free transfer in the summer (as opposed to now) if there's no takers for £5-6m. It's a shame really that we already have 2 loans in the team, otherwise I'd have been inclined to propose a loan swap with Auba and a cheeky proposal to take Raphinha for 6 months, given he's struggling there and they're extremely unlikely to command anywhere near the fee they paid out for him in the summer without a spike in form. Nice idea. Has Zakaria done enough to warrant us offering to convert his loan to a permanent deal? That would clear space for a loan. Juve would be tempted I'm sure but could too early to make the call on Zak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said: Nice idea. Has Zakaria done enough to warrant us offering to convert his loan to a permanent deal? That would clear space for a loan. Juve would be tempted I'm sure but could too early to make the call on Zak. Personally, I'd be inclined to wait for now and give it longer. I really like him, I mentioned the other day that he has a similarity to Mikel in the way he lets the ball across his body and blocks players off with his frame. It makes him extremely press resistant and gives him that extra second or two on the ball. He definitely offers a physical presence when he plays that the squad as a whole lacks. I would just like to see more first. It's a really small sample size we're going on for now, and its taken him time to gain that fitness and confidence. If he stays fit and plays the bulk of the rest of the season to a high standard, then I think he's a definite possibility to buy permanently. The only way I'd consider taking a punt now is if we could negotiate Juventus down significantly and see if they'd take £10-15m for him now to make it permanent. Given the legal issues around them and that he's surplus to requirements, maybe something could be done there. Will be ironic if we managed to screw them down on the fee seeing as the Italian clubs seem to be the masters of pleading poverty and haggling for a bargain. Stats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,127 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, Superblue said: What is City's buy back on him? I genuinely don't see a situation where we can entice them this window. We're short of players as it is currently so trying to package a couple into a deal I don't think will work. Gallagher is maybe the most desirable to them but why would he go there when they're struggling to stay up. He'd at worst I think be looking at a stable mid table club if he were to move on (maybe he'd be more suitable for Brighton if we went for one of their midfielders). I may be wrong, but I think Premier League rules prevent us loaning a player out to another Prem club when we've acquired them that window which rules out the likes of Fofana. I still think out best opportunity is to see if Southampton go down and try for him in the summer. There will of course be the risk of City wanting him back but he has a choice not to join them. He left for a reason in the first place permanently, probably because he saw no route to the first team. If we're also in for him in the summer, he may view us as the more attractive proposition on the basis of being more likely to play regularly. It's the same reason I could see an attempt to buy back Livramento in the future being more difficult than it may seem because he'll know that so long as Reece is fit then he's first choice. Yes, all makes sense. Including re Tino as I've pointed out previously. Just checked to refresh my memory and City's clause is reported to be £40m. Southampton seem to like that number. 🙂 Superblue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 1 minute ago, OhForAGreavsie said: Yes, all makes sense. Including re Tino as I've pointed out previously. Just checked to refresh my memory and City's clause is reported to be £40m. Southampton seem to like that number. 🙂 I assume they may not be able to action it for at least a year, possibly two. If it can be activated in the summer then at least I think it acts as a solid basis for a maximum point of negotiation. Southampton wouldn't really be able to ask for more if City could feasibly buy him for £40m and sell him on for a higher price if someone is willing to pay it. I also think if City did want him back, then it makes sense for Southampton to just be willing to accept offers from other clubs too and give the player the opportunity to decide for himself. Still a lot of money, but he looks like he has huge upside and potential and £40m, whilst not cheap, feels fairly reasonable if he were to have a strong second half to the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,105 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Chelsea are in talks with AC Milan over cancelling Tiemoue Bakayoko's loan and are willing to let the £35M transfer flop leave on a FREE... with the midfielder last playing for the Blues back in 2018 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11625605/Chelsea-talks-AC-Milan-cancelling-Tiemoue-Bakayokos-loan.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turgi 71 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 10 hours ago, Strike said: If you lie down with dogs, you get fleas. Not only we took their deadwood after they fucked us all summer, we agreed to pay for it and gave him huge salary. Since the champions league final, no decision of the club make sense to me. manpe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,105 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Lavia just bossed Citeh in MF last night, wow stream replays 1st half Sky https://sbchill.com/pnfaaqd5a3cj.html 2nd half Sky https://sbchill.com/6tmpdv0w66ei.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,399 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Shambles FC Vesper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,516 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 28 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: Shambles FC Too much negatively around here for a club that is 7 games away from winning CL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,105 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said: Too much negatively around here for a club that is 7 games away from winning CL. each decade there are 160 slots that can make that claim 432 slots in my lifetime so far all you need do is make it out of the group stage to get there it's hardly a massive achievement for a quarter of a century plus power club like ours (starting in 1996/97 and up until now, when the trophies started to really pour in from then on, 27 and counting in that time period, and should be WELL over 30, perhaps 35 if we could fucking win domestic cup finals (CS, and lately, shockingly bad in the League Cup and FA cup finals) plus not have choked in Moscow 2008 (3 more trophies likely there alone, CL, SC, and FWCC) and also not choked at the 2012 FWCC (unless Real somehow cock up this year, we will be the only UEFA team to have lost the FWCC since the first 3 went to vastly better (for them in terms of having top players not fleeing to Europe) Brasilian teams, UEFA teams in the last 16 will be 15 wins, 1 LOSS, us, in 2012), and finally nicked just one of the SCs we lost in 2012, 2013, 2019 (especially 2019) In regards to the FWCC, the only solace I take is that us losing in 2012 was not the worst UEFA result in the very first one, in 2000, there were two UEFA teams and neither even made it to the final Real Madrid went on to lose the 3rd place game as well, and Manure was even worse, they crashed out at the group stage the next two FWCCs (2005 and 2006) were also won by Brasilian teams, São Paulo (great side, top 3 for sure Brasilian (and not just Brasilian, all of SA) team ever in the entire comp, they beat Pool despite missing 4 top players) and then the next year, Internacional (Porto Allegre) beat Barca. After that, it was ALL UEFA wins, except for us in 2012 (again to one of the best Brasilian teams ever in the FWCC , that Corinthians side with prime Paolo Guerrero plus a rock solid back 4) The Palmeiras side we did beat in 2021 was a top 6 ever FWCC Brasilian side as well, along with both the winning Corinthians sides (2000, 2012), the 2005 and 2006 winning sides above, plus the finals-losing 2000 Vasco da Gama side. Most of the years all the teams except for the UEFA one were weak, sometimes really weak. I would rate the best non UEFA teams to make it to the final, in order of quality (now I do have to say those insane Boca Jrs teams of the late 1990s and early 2000s would have probably won one, but the FWCC was not played in 2001, 2002, 2003, or 2004, and in 2000 they were denied a spot by those two superb Brasil sides, they did win 3 of the 3 Intercontinental Cups they played in, beating Real Madrid in 2000, and Milan in 20023, losing to Bayern in 2001, and way back in 1977, they beat Borussia Mönchengladbach, after Pool refused to play in it ) so, the best non UEFA sides: 2000 Corinthians (easily the best non UEFA side ever in the FWCC, they were so fucking loaded) 2000 Vasco da Gama (Romario scored 66 goals that season!, lol) 2005 São Paulo 2012 Corinthians 2006 Internacional 2021 Palmeiras 2009 Estudiantes 2007 Boca Juniors 2019 Flamengo 2017 Grêmio Edited January 12, 2023 by Vesper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,721 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 A 3rd CL title for the only London club to win it, before Arsenal even makes a return to the CL next season..not bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,105 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Blue Armour said: A 3rd CL title for the only London club to win it, before Arsenal even makes a return to the CL next season..not bad. well, we should have 3 already, if not for Terry slipping on the shit Moscow pitch I have to be honest I would SO trade winning in 2008 for winning in 2012. Of course both would be nice, but no shame in losing to a vastly superior tem in 2012 in their home stadium. We were BEST team in 2008, and the way we lost is maddening. Bayern says the same for 2012. Plus, Manure would NOT have a FWCC win at all (and we would have one more, as in 2008 the FWCC was SO weak, and we also would not have had the shame of losing it (FWCC) in 2012 either) AND we would have another Super Cup as well, very little chance we would have lost to Zenit in 2008 (and we would also have one less Super Cup loss, as we got pounded in 2012, 4 to 1, by Atletico Madrid, who never lost a Super Cup, despite always being the Europa League representative) Edited January 12, 2023 by Vesper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,765 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Caicedo noises starting to ramp up. ulsterchelsea 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBlue 3,345 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 13 minutes ago, Special Juan said: Caicedo noises starting to ramp up. Links? Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,127 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Vesper said: well, we should have 3 already, if not for Terry slipping on the shit Moscow pitch Four. We'd have beaten United in 2009 as well had it not been for Ovrebo. Edited January 12, 2023 by OhForAGreavsie Vesper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,127 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Vesper said: Lavia just bossed Citeh in MF last night, wow stream replays 1st half Sky https://sbchill.com/pnfaaqd5a3cj.html 2nd half Sky https://sbchill.com/6tmpdv0w66ei.html Didn't see it but I heard a game wrap up featuring Chris Sutton describing his performance as 'supurb'. Not helpful at all in terms of getting him this window. 🙁 Edited January 12, 2023 by OhForAGreavsie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,105 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Special Juan said: Caicedo noises starting to ramp up. removing Enzo (sob) and Bellingham (he was a pipe dream, so not coming here, he will end up at Real, or Citeh, or, if the Glazers sell in time, maybe Manure) the remotely available CMF/DMFs left that I rate buying: Bruno Guimarães (hard AF pull) Nicolò Barella (hard AF pull) so that leaves those 6 to choose from, it really is not that complicated (other than the Enzo heartbreak) Moisés Caicedo like a poor man's Kante but with more scoring ability Roméo Lavia a wee bit of Makélélé and Essien (healthy) combined, although nowhere near those levels yet Manu Koné (most versatile on this list, can play anywhere in MF, also maybe even an emergency winger, RWB (not fullback) or even an SS Alexis Mac Allister very versatile too, I think he is great Martín Zubimendi (the deep lying playmaker type of the 6) Matheus Nunes (Pool wants him BADLY) the only AMF/No 10 I want is Arsen Zakharyan Edited January 12, 2023 by Vesper mkh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artandur 939 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Vesper said: removing Enzo (sob) and Bellingham (he was a pipe dream, so not coimh, he will end up at Real, or Citeh or, if the Glazers sell in time, Manure) the remotely available CMF/DMFs left that I rate buying: Bruno Guimarães (hard AF pull) Nicolò Barella (hard AF pull) so that leaves those 6 to choose from, it really is not that complicated (other than the Enzo heartbreak) Moisés Caicedo like a poor man's Kante but with more scoring ability Roméo Lavia a wee bit of Makélélé and Essien (healthy) combined, although nowhere near those levels yet Manu Koné (most versatile on this list, can play anywhere in MF, also maybe even an emergency winger, RWB (not fullback) or even an SS Alexis Mac Allister very versatile too, I think he is great Martín Zubimendi (the deep lying playmaker type of the 6) Matheus Nunes (Pool wants him BADLY) the only AMF/No 10 I want is Arsen Zakharyan If we'd manage to get a pair between now and the summer window, what would be your choice? Edited January 12, 2023 by Artandur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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