Chelsea Transfers

[NikkiCFC 8,340]

8 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Yes. 

I don't. 

[King Kante 1,643]

29 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Do you remember us conceding any goals last couple of years because of Jorginho liabilities off the ball? 

Honestly Nikki, I do not know a more Crack smoking m'fecker than you when it comes to Chelsea player's. 

Firstly, when it comes to niché/ loaned out players; you seem to have a pretty good grip on who will make it or not (apart from Mount who is twice any player who try to compare him against; bar James/Broja and CHO.

Honestly, you could be the best poster on here by an absolute mile; if only you could just get over your opinion and politics. 

Edited February 16, 2022 by King Kante

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

15 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

I don't. 

 

I’d say get your eyes checked but I remembered who I’m speaking to. We play with a bloody back 5 in the first place because Jorginho is useless off the ball. We are unable to put more attackers in the box in fear of getting carved open. 

Edited February 16, 2022 by MoroccanBlue

[Vesper 30,233]

I know this is so not a 'Vesper' thing (older (just turned 33yo) player, and a semi-desperation move)

but shit, it would have been nice to pick up Ivan Perišić in January for LWB

he was one of the few Inter players who gave Pool some serious trouble at times

he has been reborn at that position, and he is deffo a winner ( 9 topflight trophies (3 league titles and a CL included) and counting, plus WC runner up where he played a monster role) and an old head who doesn't get rattled

Edited February 16, 2022 by Vesper

[NikkiCFC 8,340]

31 minutes ago, King Kante said:

Honestly Nikki, I do not know a more Crack smoking m'fecker than you when it comes to Chelsea player's. 

Firstly, when it comes to niché/ loaned out players; you seem to have a pretty good grip on who will make it or not (apart from Mount who is twice any player who try to compare him against; bar James/Broja and CHO.

Honestly, you could be the best poster on here by an absolute mile; if only you could just get over your opinion and politics. 

There are only 2 players from day one that was clear will be big players for Chelsea. James and Gallagher. All others would put in lower level. Can be in Chelsea squad but not for highest level as starter to fight for title.

What my opinion is controversial?

26 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I’d say get your eyes checked but I remembered who I’m speaking to. We play with a bloody back 5 in the first place because Jorginho is useless off the ball. We are unable to put more attackers in the box in fear of getting carved open. 

Would you say same thing if he was playing for City? Systems can protect players liabilities. I know this is not his strength but like I said we dont suffer because of that so it is irrelevant to even mention it.

DM should never be isolated in runs in transition. It should be prevented by system.

Italy barely conceding goals and won EURO and they play 433? Jorginho does not seems liability there, in fact he was voted for 3rd best player in universe.

Also do I need to google that he had most tackles and interceptions and recoveries during CL last season and EURO? This is essential defensive stat for any player even defenders and yet you focus on some imaginary situation that happens once in 2 years? Even if we concede a couple of goals every season only because of this it would still not be a problem. Jorginho being bad defensively is big myth.

And I suppose you want to replace him with Rice player who could not touch the ball in EURO final because of Jorginho...

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

Would you say same thing if he was playing for City? Systems can protect players liabilities. I know this is not his strength but like I said we dont suffer because of that so it is irrelevant to even mention it.

DM should never be isolated in runs in transition. It should be prevented by system.

Italy barely conceding goals and won EURO and they play 433? Jorginho does not seems liability there, in fact he was voted for 3rd best player in universe.

Also do I need to google that he had most tackles and interceptions and recoveries during CL last season and EURO? This is essential defensive stat for any player even defenders and yet you focus on some imaginary situation that happens once in 2 years? Even if we concede a couple of goals every season only because of this it would still not be a problem. Jorginho being bad defensively is big myth.

And I suppose you want to replace him with Rice player who could not touch the ball in EURO final because of Jorginho...

So I imagined Jorginho getting absolutely bullied against Brighton’s midfield on two occasions? I imagined Leeds running circles around Jorginho for 90 minutes? I imagined both Soucek and Rice taking the mickey out of Jorginho back in December? I imagined in literally almost every match day thread, posts saying we lost the midfield? You are fooling, comically fooling yourself to suggest Jorginho’s liabilities off the ball are a fabrication. We are so defensively solid because of our backline and Mendy. This system protects our midfield but becomes a trade off as it restricts our attack when we lack creative players on the pitch. 
 

Hard to be a defensive liability for Italy when you have Bonucci, Chiellini. Barella, and Verratti all in the same team. And let’s be real, this is the same individual award that had Salah outside the top 10. 
 

I can say for an it utmost certainty you are alone in your analysis. Football isn’t solely based on statistics and anyone with 20/20 vision can see Jorginho is incredibly weak off the ball. Sarri recognised this and opted for a conservative possession approach after Arsenal carved us open in midfield. Lampard took Jorginho out the team entirely and Tuchel reverted to a back 5, and is now utilising Kante + Kovacic more. 
 

 

 

[NikkiCFC 8,340]

24 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

So I imagined Jorginho getting absolutely bullied against Brighton’s midfield on two occasions? I imagined Leeds running circles around Jorginho for 90 minutes? I imagined both Soucek and Rice taking the mickey out of Jorginho back in December? I imagined in literally almost every match day thread, posts saying we lost the midfield? You are fooling, comically fooling yourself to suggest Jorginho’s liabilities off the ball are a fabrication. We are so defensively solid because of our backline and Mendy. This system protects our midfield but becomes a trade off as it restricts our attack when we lack creative players on the pitch. 
 

Hard to be a defensive liability for Italy when you have Bonucci, Chiellini. Barella, and Verratti all in the same team. And let’s be real, this is the same individual award that had Salah outside the top 10. 
 

I can say for an it utmost certainty you are alone in your analysis. Football isn’t solely based on statistics and anyone with 20/20 vision can see Jorginho is incredibly weak off the ball. Sarri recognised this and opted for a conservative possession approach after Arsenal carved us open in midfield. Lampard took Jorginho out the team entirely and Tuchel reverted to a back 5, and is now utilising Kante + Kovacic more. 
 

 

 

I remember we had more possession in all these games. As far as I know, he got MOTM against Leeds. But even if what you are saying is true did we concede any goals because of him?

Brighton set pieces both goals, go watch highlights from Leeds and WH games you will not find Jorginho responsibility in any goals expect that back pass for Mendy but again you are speaking about off the ball and that goal is 99% on Mendy. So where is the damage?

Also it would suit him more to play 433 than this system. Only Rudiger, Mendy and Azpi played more minutes this season and last season if you count only TT games I am sure he is in top3.

What Lampard did tells more about him than Jorginho as proven later. He wanted to sell Rudiger as well - now best CB.

Sarri definitely did not do that because of Jorginho but because of other players who did not know how to play Sarriball.

4 named Italian players vs Silva, Rudiger, Kovacic and Kante. Dont see much difference in quality.

If you look for what TT said about Jorginho you will find only praise. In fact, he tried to get him in PSG, just like Pep did in City.

[Superblue 6,372]

17 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

You mention Fernandinho and Henderson but neither of which are utter liabilities off the ball as Jorginho is. If one of Kante or Kovacic aren't at 110%, we are vulnerable in midfield. 

I don't agree with Jorginho being a complete liability off the ball.

His lack of pace can leave us exposed in an open position but ultimately something higher up the pitch has gone wrong first to leave us in that situation or we're chasing a game which is leaving us stretched and exposed anyway.

The rest of his defensive contributions are mostly very good. He reads the game very well and regularly intercepts and recovers balls as a result which stamps anything out before it can even start and he's also an important trigger and leader when we press.

As above, my preference this summer would be to keep all of Kante, Kova and Jorginho and add Rice or Tchouameni to that group. Gallagher and Mount in the squad too would allow Tuchel to use a midfield three if he wanted to, with the latter two being able to offer that more attack minded option.

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

3 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I don't agree with Jorginho being a complete liability off the ball.

His lack of pace can leave us exposed in an open position but ultimately something higher up the pitch has gone wrong first to leave us in that situation or we're chasing a game which is leaving us stretched and exposed anyway.

The rest of his defensive contributions are mostly very good. He reads the game very well and regularly intercepts and recovers balls as a result which stamps anything out before it can even start and he's also an important trigger and leader when we press.

As above, my preference this summer would be to keep all of Kante, Kova and Jorginho and add Rice or Tchouameni to that group. Gallagher and Mount in the squad too would allow Tuchel to use a midfield three if he wanted to, with the latter two being able to offer that more attack minded option.

If we are keeping Kante, Kova, and Jorginho I don't think Gallagher will have a place in the team. One of Rice or Tchouameni is imminent (thinking it will be the former). That is 4 CMs for two positions. 5 Including Gallagher. 

I'm still not sure if Tuchel outright wants to make the 4231 or 433 a priority next season ahead of the 343. 6 midfielders, all of which are established first teamers now, competing for 3 spots. That isn't going to bold well. Not even City or Liverpool have this much quality in depth in midfield. 

 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,820]

If we are keeping Kante, Kova, and Jorgi, we need young legs to cover the injury absences.

[MoroccanBlue 5,385]

2 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

If we are keeping Kante, Kova, and Jorginho I don't think Gallagher will have a place in the team. One of Rice or Tchouameni is imminent (thinking it will be the former). That is 4 CMs for two positions. 5 Including Gallagher. 

I'm still not sure if Tuchel outright wants to make the 4231 or 433 a priority next season ahead of the 343. 6 midfielders, all of which are established first teamers now, competing for 3 spots. That isn't going to bold well. Not even City or Liverpool have this much quality in depth in midfield. 

 

Come to think of it, I take that back. 

Kante, Kova, Jorginho, Rice/Tchouameni and Gallagher could work. 

[Vesper 30,233]

watched him earlier v Juve, he was a beast in a 1 1 draw at Juve

Former player suggests £25m defender is perfect for Chelsea, the Blues have reportedly scouted him already

https://www.thechelseachronicle.com/club-news/former-player-suggests-25m-defender-is-perfect-for-Chelsea-the-blues-have-reportedly-scouted-him-already/

Former Torino defender Ezio Ross has named Chelsea as one of the ideal next destinations for Gleison Bremer.

Speaking to TuttoJuve, Ross suggested that Stamford Bridge could house Bremer extremely well if he ever fancied a move to the Premier League.

Why is Gleison grabbing all the attention?

It probably won’t be long before the current Torino centre-back heads over to England.

His performances for the Serie A side have certainly been attracting interest from British shores, as well as those stationed across Europe.

Newcastle United reportedly made a £25m (Corriere Granata) offer to sign the 24-year-old last month, but saw their advances rejected.

Instead, Torino confirmed that Bremer had signed a new deal, keeping him in Turin until at least 2024.

Of course, this timeline could be hindered if another, arguably even bigger club that Newcastle come wading in with the cash.

Perhaps Juventus for example, who have been linked to the Brazilian already this season.

However, Ross adamantly advised Bremer to look past the Old Lady and link up with a new, younger model.  

“He is a very good defender. (Torino coach Ivan) Juric has improved him considerably. Only compliments!” he said.

“Bremer is not for Juve; he’s for Liverpool, Chelsea, Manchester, Inter!”

Bremer in blue?

It is perhaps no surprise that Chelsea make it onto the list.

After all, they reportedly scouted Bremer in December, eager to locate replacements for one of their potentially departing defenders.

Not much has been mentioned since about a possible switch to South West London.

Such conversations shouldn’t be ruled out over the summer, as the Blues will most likely be in the market for another centre-half.

There remains a strong chance that at least one of Antonio Rudiger, Andreas Christensen or Cesar Azpilicueta shall wave farewell to Cobham and all its assets.

Maybe then Ross’ hopes for Bremer will come true.

 

he came from one of the Brasilian giants, Atlético Mineiro, to Torino in 2018

[Vesper 30,233]

On 17/02/2022 at 20:57, MoroccanBlue said:

Come to think of it, I take that back. 

Kante, Kova, Jorginho, Rice/Tchouameni and Gallagher could work. 

yes, wee Billy is not ready

he has regressed atm

[OhForAGreavsie 6,078]

15 hours ago, Vesper said:

yes, wee Billy is not ready

he has regressed atm

Or he was previously being overrated. Sadly, I think that is the case.

That performance Vs Liverpool was decent but the most memorable moment was a fluke and the display against England, which drew rave reviews, was an exercise in absolute ordinariness. Seldom have I seen so unspectacular a showing so lavishly praised.

[Vesper 30,233]

Éder Militão is a

NO

fucking Spanish shitrags trying to hype up Real Madrid meh players for sale

I will lose my mind if we buy him, he is error prone and a whinger

https://metro.co.uk/2022/02/19/Chelsea-pushing-for-meeting-with-real-madrid-star-after-thomas-tuchel-request-16134807/?ito=newsnow-feed

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

16 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Éder Militão is a

NO

fucking Spanish shitrags trying to hype up Real Madrid meh players for sale

I will lose my mind if we buy him, he is error prone and a whinger

https://metro.co.uk/2022/02/19/Chelsea-pushing-for-meeting-with-real-madrid-star-after-thomas-tuchel-request-16134807/?ito=newsnow-feed

This rumour is extremely stubborn. Despise the guy as a player. Absolutely useless.

Eder is a very fitting name for him tho. Eder is also the name an old bumbling carpenter who befriends a goblin in an incredibly lame German children's book. Both Eders are roughly equally good centrebacks.

[Vesper 30,233]

6 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

This rumour is extremely stubborn. Despise the guy as a player. Absolutely useless.

Eder is a very fitting name for him tho. Eder is also the name an old bumbling carpenter who befriends a goblin in an incredibly lame German children's book. Both Eders are roughly equally good centrebacks.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

2 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Just knew you would research that and come up with some visual undergird lol

Tbf there even is some similarity ^^

[Vesper 30,233]

1 minute ago, Magic Lamps said:

Just knew you would research that and come up with some visual undergird lol

Tbf there even is some similarity ^^

that show looks slit yer wrists bad

[Vesper 30,233]

12 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

Just knew you would research that and come up with some visual undergird lol

Tbf there even is some similarity ^^

Edited February 19, 2022 by Vesper