Vesper 30,219 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 this tweet embodies a loser (and stupid by a board) short term mentality that can FUCK clubs not just long term, but indeed next year Liverpool have shit for depth and after three more seasons their 3 Ferraris up front all have decimated resale values compared to now VVD turns 30 next summer, Salah turns 30 right after the season after this coming season ends, Mane turns 30 during the season after the coming one, Firmino turns 29 in a couple months (so he is older than Mane and Salah), Henderson is 30 now, Georginio Wijnaldum is almost 30 now, Matip turns 30 after next season ends, Milner is 35 in January, Lallana turns 33 next season. Lovren turns 32 next year. They are (unlike the ridiculous presenters yapping on) are not a young team (Stevie Nichol says they are golden, peak of powers for the next 5 season after at least!, lolol) and Klopp just announced he is leaving summer of 2024. if they stand still and do nothing this summer, and they get hit with HALF the injuries we have had to key players, they are well fucked GK they are set CB they only have 3 decent ones (one of those is superb, VVD) after that, they are fucked, and only have 2 if Gomes needs to spell TAA LB zero real backup, unless you count the 35yo in January, out of position Milner RB after starting CB Joe Gomes (who, again then leaves them with ZERO backup decent CB's once Lovren leaves) teen Neco Williams is the only backup DMF no backup for Fabinho unless they slide Henderson over the DMF CMF superb starters with backups Keita and Ox (unless he plays at AMF) plus the old Milner, they are well set here to a point for the next two seasons, more than likely AMF, with Lallana leaving, they have no true AMF, Ox is the closest LW only backups are huge drop of, the meh (so far) Takumi Minamino and then the out of position Origi RW again massive drop off, Xherdan Shaqiri is shit, and so they will probably rely on Harry Wilson, coming back from loan CF Origi and then nothing THAT is so not a deep team, they are fucked at LB, RB (if Gomes cannt switch over from CB), DMF (unless you count Henderson vacating his normal role, which causes other issues) AMF ,and ALL 3 up front if the starters cannot go (plus a huge drop off at keeper) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,219 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said: We just shared quotes from Atletico assistant Burgos where he said: The russian wants to take Oblak. And Simeone also said like day before something like he hopes Oblak continues with them. Why would they say this? It is like they are preparing fans maybe for his departure? And this russian thing is easy to assume it is Chelsea. We need GK and can not see Monaco going for Oblak So basically our interest is confirmed from Tier 0 source and surely Roman and Marina know his salary and if they are still after him it is not a problem for them. as long as it doesn't cause riots in the dressing room, and as long as they can balance the books, then I do not really care, but is just seams a step too far I am all in in terms of rating Oblak I have said he is the best keeper in the world since I joined here the only 2 others that really could be put up there are 2 that either we had (Cuntois) and then the one I was screaming to buy in 2017 (and obviously 2018) Alisson I just want Kepa upgraded upon, even if it is a stopgap play to help for a year or two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,944 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Oblak is impossible. And after a mega outlay on one failed keeper I doubt we'd ever do that again. People need to get Oblak out of their hands. Even if we did want him he's at the absolute perfect club right now under the perfect manager. Doubt he has any desire to leave. Just go for Onana. Ajax are an easy club to negotiate with and he'd cost a fraction of Oblak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puliiszola 519 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Simon1991 said: Just because you found something on the internet does not mean it's true. And I am not saying he definitely is not earning that, just seems highly unlikely. To prove my point, i just put "oblak wages" on google, first result was the following. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2821923-jan-oblak-atletico-madrid-agree-on-new-contract-until-2023 "AS' Manolete reported in February that Oblak was set for a deal that will earn him an annual salary of around €10 million (£8.7 million)." Don't you think it seems more likely he's earning those wages, versus the ones you listed previously? http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/26646-1-kepa-arrizabalaga/?do=findComment&comment=1490128 I said the same thing. Just seems so weird. Especially given ATM's wage bill is far lower than ours. Simon1991 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 18 minutes ago, Pizy said: Oblak is impossible. And after a mega outlay on one failed keeper I doubt we'd ever do that again. People need to get Oblak out of their hands. Even if we did want him he's at the absolute perfect club right now under the perfect manager. Doubt he has any desire to leave. Not saying we will sign Oblak but he may fancy a new challenge and it's not like Atletico Madrid often win trophies anyway. Strike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Not saying we will sign Oblak but he may fancy a new challenge and it's not like Atletico Madrid often win trophies anyway. He is the reason why we signed Kepa lol.We wanted to trigger his release clause and he said no to us and now he wants to come? Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, killer1257 said: He is the reason why we signed Kepa lol. We wanted to trigger his release clause and he said no to us and now he wants to come? Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk A lot can change in 2 years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,219 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 5 hours ago, Simon1991 said: Just because you found something on the internet does not mean it's true. And I am not saying he definitely is not earning that, just seems highly unlikely. To prove my point, i just put "oblak wages" on google, first result was the following. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2821923-jan-oblak-atletico-madrid-agree-on-new-contract-until-2023 "AS' Manolete reported in February that Oblak was set for a deal that will earn him an annual salary of around €10 million (£8.7 million)." Don't you think it seems more likely he's earning those wages, versus the ones you listed previously? the ones I quoted as the source of yours is shit and it is ONE source the ALWAYS lying AS they rival Don Balon for the worst made up shit in Spain and Bleacher report is simply quoting them and in their own article they say a between €150m to €200m release clause, which is just a flat out lie plus they do not even given an exact figure on his wage, they say 10 to 12m euros this below is GROSS salaries I edited my post above to reflect it is gross I do not know why that other site said he nets it, other than they they misused the term to mean something it doesnt but the figures match, dead on 20.8m euros per year gross that works out (at today's FOREX rate) to £363K per week gross pay, ie, how we always discuss salaries here and how they are always reported in the major outlets AS was just spitballing his NET salary (they said 10 to 12 m euros per year so did not even give an exact figure) I am not going to get into net salary as I would have to have far more information on how his deal would be structured (due to different tax laws and the actual distribution of pay) https://sillyseason.com/salary/atletico-madrid-players-salaries-99569/ confirmed via Capology https://www.capology.com/club/atletico-madrid/salaries/ https://www.soccerladuma.co.za/news/articles/international/categories/laliga/the-highest-earning-player-at-each-laliga-team/676444?gallery=676444&gallery-page=3#ig https://www.givemesport.com/1508262-champions-league-the-25-highestpaid-players-in-this-seasons-tournament now remember, all these that quote pounds are basing off 400K per week EURO salary and doing conversions to pounds, and right now the pound has fallen versus the euro from when they did the FOREX conversion Champions League: The 25 highest-paid players in this season's tournament here is an economic impact study by 2 financial analysts https://prezi.com/p/xqzvkpluuzg0/sports-society-project/ MM Football's Role in the Spanish Economy Megan Pitman & Mason Milne Introduction One of the most important aspects of society is sport, and football is the most popular sport in the world. People of every age, race, and gender can participate, whether its through playing, coaching, watching, and more. Because of its prominence in so many different categories and different lives, football plays an extremely vital role in the economy. With an abundance of successful professional teams and a powerful league, Spain's economy is especially influenced by football. Economic Impact Spain sees a multiplier effect in the contributions to their economy. Numerous sectors are positively affected by this sport. Ranging from catering, transportation, and bars/restaurants, football has been a crucial factor in economic success. Economic Impact Employment Employment https://www.catalannews.com/sports/item/football-industry-generates-over-2-billion-annually-in-catalonia-study-finds Tax Revenue Tax Revenue https://www.insidesport.co/laliga-to-spains-economy-185000-jobs-4-66-bn-taxes-1-37-of-gdp/ I can go on and on Oblak's gross salary is at the moment, £363K per week based off today's FOREX euro to pounds conversion rate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,219 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 3 hours ago, NikkiCFC said: We just shared quotes from Atletico assistant Burgos where he said: The russian wants to take Oblak. And Simeone also said like day before something like he hopes Oblak continues with them. Why would they say this? It is like they are preparing fans maybe for his departure? And this russian thing is easy to assume it is Chelsea. We need GK and can not see Monaco going for Oblak So basically our interest is confirmed from Tier 0 source and surely Roman and Marina know his salary and if they are still after him it is not a problem for them. I corrected it, his gross is £363K PW, the table had the correct salary (20.8m euros per year) but it called it net, when it was gross I just went back and sorted out a lot of posts sorry for the inconvenience it still is a massive amount Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, Vesper said: the ones I quoted as the source of yours is shit and it is ONE source the ALWAYS lying AS they rival Don Balon for the worst made up shit in Spain and Bleacher report is simply quoting them and in their own article they say a between €150m to €200m release clause, which is just a flat out lie plus they do not even given an exact figure on his wage, they say 10 to 12m euros this below is GROSS salaries I edited my post above to reflect it is gross I do not know why that other site said he nets it, other than they they misused the term to mean something it doesnt but the figures match, dead on 20.8m euros per year gross that works out (at today's FOREX rate) to £363K per week gross pay, ie, how we always discuss salaries here and how they are always reported in the major outlets AS was just spitballing his NET salary (they said 10 to 12 m euros per year so did not even give an exact figure) I am not going to get into net salary as I would have to have far more information on how his deal would be structured (due to different tax laws and the actual distribution of pay) https://sillyseason.com/salary/atletico-madrid-players-salaries-99569/ confirmed via Capology https://www.capology.com/club/atletico-madrid/salaries/ https://www.soccerladuma.co.za/news/articles/international/categories/laliga/the-highest-earning-player-at-each-laliga-team/676444?gallery=676444&gallery-page=3#ig https://www.givemesport.com/1508262-champions-league-the-25-highestpaid-players-in-this-seasons-tournament now remember, all these that quote pounds are basing off 400K per week EURO salary and doing conversions to pounds, and right now the pound has fallen versus the euro from when they did the FOREX conversion Champions League: The 25 highest-paid players in this season's tournament here is an economic impact study by 2 financial analysts https://prezi.com/p/xqzvkpluuzg0/sports-society-project/ MM Football's Role in the Spanish Economy Megan Pitman & Mason Milne Introduction One of the most important aspects of society is sport, and football is the most popular sport in the world. People of every age, race, and gender can participate, whether its through playing, coaching, watching, and more. Because of its prominence in so many different categories and different lives, football plays an extremely vital role in the economy. With an abundance of successful professional teams and a powerful league, Spain's economy is especially influenced by football. Economic Impact Spain sees a multiplier effect in the contributions to their economy. Numerous sectors are positively affected by this sport. Ranging from catering, transportation, and bars/restaurants, football has been a crucial factor in economic success. Economic Impact Employment Employment https://www.catalannews.com/sports/item/football-industry-generates-over-2-billion-annually-in-catalonia-study-finds Tax Revenue Tax Revenue https://www.insidesport.co/laliga-to-spains-economy-185000-jobs-4-66-bn-taxes-1-37-of-gdp/ I can go on and on Oblak's gross salary is at the moment, £363K per week based off today's FOREX euro to pounds conversion rate Damn that’s fucked up. Even at clubs like Atletico which are not exactly bathing in cash the wage bills have exploded. Thank fuck no one from our players is close to that top 25. A salary cap may be a sensible idea after all Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,944 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Jesus. I didn't know Atleti could pay those sorts of wages. I always thought of them as sort of a medium sized club like Spuds that pay decent wages but nothing crazy like the very big clubs do. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,219 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, Magic Lamps said: Damn that’s fucked up. Even at clubs like Atletico which are not exactly bathing in cash the wage bills have exploded. Thank fuck no one from our players is close to that top 25. A salary cap may be a sensible idea after all Morata now passed up Oblak, lol £382K PW https://www.capology.com/club/atletico-madrid/salaries/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, Vesper said: Morata now passed up Oblak, lol £382K PW https://www.capology.com/club/atletico-madrid/salaries/ This is so weird. We were begging Atletico to take morata and costa off us when no one else would and they be like “yeah sure, here are 50m and another 400k per week just to make sure they join” costa even states that he only wants to go to Atletico and morata had ruined his rep still Atletico get bent over for wages. Something is fishy Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,219 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Pizy said: Jesus. I didn't know Atleti could pay those sorts of wages. I always thought of them as sort of a medium sized club like Spuds that pay decent wages but nothing crazy like the very big clubs do. billionaire owners and huge global fanbase and revenues they are a monster club they just always get compared to the two biggest sporting teams in the world (RM and Barca) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,944 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Atleti isn't even a massive, globally supported club. And Lá Liga payouts aren't nearly what PL payouts are, right? How can a club pay wages like that then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,219 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said: This is so weird. We were begging Atletico to take morata and costa off us when no one else would and they be like “yeah sure, here are 50m and another 400k per week just to make sure they join” costa even states that he only wants to go to Atletico and morata had ruined his rep still Atletico get bent over for wages. Something is fishy Costa is on £273K PW, lol robbery still NOTHING like Bale insanity reigns at Real Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,219 Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 Just now, Pizy said: Atleti isn't even a massive, globally supported club. And Lá Liga payouts aren't nearly what PL payouts are, right? How can a club pay wages like that then? yes, they are globally supported and get massive revenues, they were tracking to almost €400m net revenues this fiscal year until COVID hit for fiscal year 2018-19 they had €367.6m https://www.statista.com/statistics/271581/revenue-of-soccer-clubs-worldwide/ 68K capacity brand new modern stadium helps La Liga signed new telly deals for this season as well and La Liga Distributes €1.4B In TV Money; Barcelona And 17 Other Teams Receive Record Payouts https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobbymcmahon/2019/12/15/la-liga-distributes-14b-in-tv-money-barcelona-and-17-other-teams-receive-record-payouts/#7e4813c727ab and now this La Liga ditches three-year cap on TV rights contracts to pursue long-term deals https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/la-liga-extended-2022-23-tv-rights-contracts snip The move could very well see La Liga replicate the Premier League, English soccer’s top-flight, which secured a landmark six-year, UK£2.3 billion (US$2.5 billion) rights deal in February with Nordic Entertainment Group (NENT). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alabama 1,992 Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 People needs to forget about Oblak... It ain't happening not with lots of position to improve....I would rather sign a very good back up ala Cakir or Rajkovic that wont cost massive amount capable of displacing Kepa if he continues to shit himself and go for monster CB like Milan Skrinian or Nikola Milenkovic than just blow all the money on a keeper... Supermonkey92 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon1991 233 Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 5 hours ago, Vesper said: https://sillyseason.com/salary/atletico-madrid-players-salaries-99569/ confirmed via Capology https://www.capology.com/club/atletico-madrid/salaries/ https://www.soccerladuma.co.za/news/articles/international/categories/laliga/the-highest-earning-player-at-each-laliga-team/676444?gallery=676444&gallery-page=3#ig https://www.givemesport.com/1508262-champions-league-the-25-highestpaid-players-in-this-seasons-tournament https://prezi.com/p/xqzvkpluuzg0/sports-society-project/ Tax Revenue https://www.insidesport.co/laliga-to-spains-economy-185000-jobs-4-66-bn-taxes-1-37-of-gdp/ Thank you for taking the time to dig into it. You know as well as me how erroneous information can be shared all over the net by all kind of different sources, some more reliable than others. What those sites usually do is just quoting themselves. Just because i read it on "sillyseason", "soccerladuma!" or "prezi" will not make me buy into it more. The most legit of the lot would be capology (maybe?), never heard of them and i have no idea of how reliable they are. I tried to find more about them, and by the looks of it, they have been reporting some weird stuff if true (have a look at the below). In the end and as far as i know, there isn't really any reliable website reporting on wages, its often just based on leaks and speculation. Where i'm getting at with this is that neither you or I really know how much Oblak is earning, and that's a fact. All i know is that it strikes me as highly surprising that he would actually earn those wages, which is why i just don't believe it's accurate. With that being said, if those numbers are true, we should stay the hell away from him, giving him such high wages would completely disrupt the club's wage structure. Puliiszola 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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