DDA 9,941 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 10 minutes ago, Last Sicarius said: One year between twitts not much changed apart missed chances  Our #9          Wow... that is pretty damming! Terrible finisher. What do you think @Tomo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 53 minutes ago, DDA said: Wow... that is pretty damming! Terrible finisher. What do you think @Tomo? It's hard to keep full track on what games what at such high speed but i think a lot of those misses in the first video came in games where we had a good team performances (Madrid sides at home, Madrid away, Palace away) and we've already seen what happens when we panic and just look at the top line to replace that. Which brings me back to my point that he has often facilitated good team performances even when he hasn't played that well. The second video is just a waste of time, there's not a single player on the planet you couldn't do a video like that for if you looked hard enough for footage. And that's before I mention half of it came during the period he was shortly back from a bad bout of Covid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 23 hours ago, DDA said: Is nobody else worried on how this guy fits into the starting line up? What is his position? False 9? Really? He's gone next summer or 2024. Cannot see a place for him and cannot see him improving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 He will be Madrid's flashy new toy next summer. kexik 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 16 hours ago, Last Sicarius said: One year between twitts not much changed apart missed chances  Our #9          The background music shows the lack of intelligence of the ones who made those videos, especially the second one. Watching Havertz miss those shots wasn't nearly as painful as listening to that horseshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,941 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 16 hours ago, Tomo said: It's hard to keep full track on what games what at such high speed but i think a lot of those misses in the first video came in games where we had a good team performances (Madrid sides at home, Madrid away, Palace away) and we've already seen what happens when we panic and just look at the top line to replace that. Which brings me back to my point that he has often facilitated good team performances even when he hasn't played that well. The second video is just a waste of time, there's not a single player on the planet you couldn't do a video like that for if you looked hard enough for footage. And that's before I mention half of it came during the period he was shortly back from a bad bout of Covid. Tomo I can't help but feel you're making excuses for him. Most of those misses are pretty bad.. I mean he should be putting those in and yea if he was tallying up tonnes of goals and making those misses it wouldn't matter but he isn't... What is his game actually?? Pick the ball up and run at defenders with a little lay of pass at the end. He looks fantastic when he ghosts in behind the defence and scores but it doesn't happen enough... and he makes easy opportunities look hard. I dunno... I know there is a player in him, as he shows flashes of brilliance but this is his 3rd season... there are no excuses this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 He has scored the goals to win uns Champions League and World Cup. That is 80m well spent. If we want to criticize him we can but we should start with the other muppets. All our attackers look terrible. But that is only partly their fault. We just don't have an attacking system in place that makes them look good with quick releases, direct vertical balls etc. In our slow, posession-based 3-4-3 the attackers mainly do the donkey work for the wingbacks to exploit the space in the channels. Can easily see Chilly/RJ get into double figures in either goals or assists if they manage to play another season together without injuries. If we were to play more counter-attacking football and actually train early balls and releases we would see our pacey attacker shine a lot more. Also our attackers' chemistry is just bad, probably because they are rotated all the time. Of all our attacing combinations only Mount and Havertz have somewhat decent understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Since this is the Havertz thread it's a damn good place to start. He's been very underwhelming since he joined, can't think of three games where I have sat back and said to myself "Something else this lad" And I'm sorry but I'm massively thankful for the CL winning goal, but aside from that he is nowhere near the level I expected him to be at a few seasons on. If some idiot came in now with 100m you'd snap their fucking hands off. Last Sicarius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 He'll score 8 goals this season and people will still find excuses for him. Mad Last Sicarius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 25 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: He'll score 8 goals this season and people will still find excuses for him. Mad Call me old fashioned but if he is facilitating the team doing well which he has largely done when played as F9 then absolutely, infact I wouldn't even class it as excuses. We've already seen ourselves the disastrous consequences of just looking at the goal figures of a striker and assuming it falls into place. Funny you specifically numbered 8 goals though, because that's one less than Liverpool's main CF got when they won the league in record time, and i bet they will never hit close to those heights with Nunez even though he's a much more reliable scorer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tomo said: Call me old fashioned but if he is facilitating the team doing well which he has largely done when played as F9 then absolutely, infact I wouldn't even class it as excuses. We've already seen ourselves the disastrous consequences of just looking at the goal figures of a striker and assuming it falls into place. Funny you specifically numbered 8 goals though, because that's one less than Liverpool's main CF got when they won the league in record time, and i bet they will never hit close to those heights with Nunez even though he's a much more reliable scorer. Firmino 9 Goals 8 Assists 10 big chances created  Havertz 8 Goals 3 Assists 3 big chances created  Your notion that Havertz matches Firmino's influence as a "facilitator" isn't holding up. Last Sicarius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: Firmino 9 Goals 8 Assists 10 big chances created  Havertz 8 Goals 3 Assists 3 big chances created  Your notion that Havertz matches Firmino's influence as a "facilitator" isn't holding up. One started every game bar three in the same position while the other was thrown around positions and in and out of the team to accommodate Lukaku. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whats happening 1,615 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 one was playing with mane and salah, the other was playing with mount and ziyech/werner/pulisic/hudson-odoi ofc hes gonna get more assists and goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tomo said: One started every game bar three in the same position while the other was thrown around positions and in and out of the team to accommodate Lukaku. Zero excuses this season then. Just now, whats happening said: one was playing with mane and salah, the other was playing with mount and ziyech/werner/pulisic/hudson-odoi ofc hes gonna get more assists and goals. What about big chances created? Or are we going to say Mane and Salah made better runs?  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Sicarius 610 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022  🤔🇩🇪    Bren 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBlue 3,277 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Am going to put my neck on the line here and say this lad will have another dreadful season. God I hope I am wrong, but don't think I will be. Last Sicarius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 16 minutes ago, Kong said: Am going to put my neck on the line here and say this lad will have another dreadful season. God I hope I am wrong, but don't think I will be. My biggest gripe with him, is his lethargic play. It directly influences his ability in the final third and his inability to beat the player on the half turn. How many times do we see him slip on his arse when he tries to shoot because he doesn't have the balance? Or how many times he loses the ball because he doesn't have the agility to beat a player on the turn that Mount can. It's ridiculous people want him as a #10 as he cannot beat a press like Mount can. DDA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBlue 3,277 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 33 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: My biggest gripe with him, is his lethargic play. It directly influences his ability in the final third and his inability to beat the player on the half turn. How many times do we see him slip on his arse when he tries to shoot because he doesn't have the balance? Or how many times he loses the ball because he doesn't have the agility to beat a player on the turn that Mount can. It's ridiculous people want him as a #10 as he cannot beat a press like Mount can. Your spot on. I just cringe watching him, don't get me wrong sometimes he does something and am like HOLD up wait a minute! Then am back to cringing. dimmas and DDA 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Sicarius 610 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022  I dont know. We have some potential young attacker(Kai, Pulisic, Cho) and only Mount clicked so far. It is really depressing.      Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldportblue 547 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 I have faith that a front three of sterling kai and mount can be very decent (looked very decent yesterday)… hopefully sterling attracts more attention from defenders to himself and that will help Kai flourish. He is incredibly talented and I believe and hope he can crack the 10g mark in the PL this upcoming season. If sterling and mase do likewise, we should be OK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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