🇩🇪 Kai Havertz

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9 minutes ago, Valdo said:

This thread has mores pages then the following players under contract by chelsea: Jorginho, Kepa, Pulisic, Bakayoko, Emerson, Rudiger, Batsh*t, Barkley, Mount, Tomori, Kovacic, Tammy (and probably more).

Our lil' Havertz is really something 

Jorginho  nightmare to sell now that old smoker got binned

Kepa nightmare at every level

Pulisic either we talk about his brilliance or his injuries, which are in a race

BakaDonkeyoko all we can hope for is that we do not completely cave in and end up selling him for what AC Milan are offering atm (€15m ie £13.5m) which is around £30m less that what the club was hoping for starting the lone season he played here

Emerson, other than Kepa the worst player on the 25 man roster, see BakaDonkey for reduce sales price pattern

Rudiger is discussed a lot, mainly a core group of haters and then people like me who hope he comes back to form and that he is our best CB atm (and that in and of itself is fucked)

Batshittypoo see the other systematically reduced sales price rotters

Barkley, main news on him is usually related to his alcoholism, SELL him

Mount, discussed a lot, again ie rudiger has a hardcore group of haters, but they have retreated to the bushes lately, I fucking love him

Tomori, the biggest unknown of all in terms of appearances, why the fuck did Lamps disappear him like a mob witness

Kovacic, our player of the year IMHO (Puli 2nd, Giroud in the 2nd half 3rd), but he is not talked about a lot because he si so uncontroversial and steady

Tammy no clue on him, it is all up to him, started out on fire, and then crashed

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

My mistake, I meant 100 pounds. Often at work I post quickly. I just defaulted to my currency.

no problem m8, thanks for the clarification

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No update today, then?

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46 minutes ago, Jason said:

Then why all the worry about the pressure from the transfer fee? 

people like to worry

me, I would rather rage

it is healthy to go of the inner hate

lolol

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39 minutes ago, Vesper said:

people like to worry

me, I would rather rage

it is healthy to go of the inner hate

lolol

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1 hour ago, Jason said:

Then why all the worry about the pressure from the transfer fee? 

Because I've seen what that fee did to Dembele, Coutinho, Griezmann, Jao Felix and others like Kepa who is the record goalkeeper. I'm just hoping that he doesn't fall under pressure 

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3 minutes ago, Valdo said:

lolol

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3 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

Because I've seen what that fee did to Dembele, Coutinho, Griezmann, Jao Felix and others like Kepa who is the record goalkeeper. I'm just hoping that he doesn't fall under pressure 

That's what seperates the pro's from the boys. Doubt he will tbh, fee's like this are "common" now a days.

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1 hour ago, Valdo said:

Our lil' Havertz

sounds like a German crap sitcom

lololol

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No chance we are giving him such a high wage, it would be beyond stupid. 200 per week is more than enough. Let united and the likes hand out huge wage packets like Sanches on 500 a week.

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1 minute ago, kellzfresh said:

Because I've seen what that fee did to Dembele, Coutinho, Griezmann, Jao Felix and others like Kepa who is the record goalkeeper. I'm just hoping that he doesn't fall under pressure 

I don't think the fee has got much to do with those players failing to be honest.

For starters, Dembele has been really unlucky with injuries. And many of the other Barca flops like Coutinho, Griezmann (and Zlatan before them) have also failed largely because of Messi too. While Messi is one of the greatest players of all time, it can be difficult for other attacking players to shine in the same team as him, especially if they have a manager who doesn't really know what he's doing. 

Just look at the Argentina NT, a world class player like Dybala has barely featured because having Messi dictates so much on how they play as a team and how they set up their attack. Griezmann as a player is quite similar to Dybala and neither of those have been played in their best roles because Messi occupies much of the same space as they would ideally and they haven't been able to adapt to a different role.

Griezmann and Coutinho were both statement signings made by the Barcelona board without really having a plan for them so it's not that surprising they haven't been good for them. I think Coutinho was played mostly on the left winger spot which is not where he played his best football at Liverpool.

And as for Joao Felix he's still young and at 20yo I wouldn't write him off just yet. But maybe he should've stayed at Benfica for another season before making his move. Now he came to Atletico with huge expectations after just one season of professional football under his belt while Havertz already has four seasons as a regular starter at Leverkusen. If a player is good enough and they're played in a role best suited for them, they will come good no matter the fee.

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56 minutes ago, Valdo said:

That's what seperates the pro's from the boys. Doubt he will tbh, fee's like this are "common" now a days.

Pogba is still under pressure to justify his huge signing, and to be honest he hasn't delivered. Hopefully he can take the pressure, because pressure will definitely come even if the fee is common these days.

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36 minutes ago, Jype said:

I don't think the fee has got much to do with those players failing to be honest.

For starters, Dembele has been really unlucky with injuries. And many of the other Barca flops like Coutinho, Griezmann (and Zlatan before them) have also failed largely because of Messi too. While Messi is one of the greatest players of all time, it can be difficult for other attacking players to shine in the same team as him, especially if they have a manager who doesn't really know what he's doing. 

Just look at the Argentina NT, a world class player like Dybala has barely featured because having Messi dictates so much on how they play as a team and how they set up their attack. Griezmann as a player is quite similar to Dybala and neither of those have been played in their best roles because Messi occupies much of the same space as they would ideally and they haven't been able to adapt to a different role.

Griezmann and Coutinho were both statement signings made by the Barcelona board without really having a plan for them so it's not that surprising they haven't been good for them. I think Coutinho was played mostly on the left winger spot which is not where he played his best football at Liverpool.

And as for Joao Felix he's still young and at 20yo I wouldn't write him off just yet. But maybe he should've stayed at Benfica for another season before making his move. Now he came to Atletico with huge expectations after just one season of professional football under his belt while Havertz already has four seasons as a regular starter at Leverkusen. If a player is good enough and they're played in a role best suited for them, they will come good no matter the fee.

great reply

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33 minutes ago, Jype said:

I don't think the fee has got much to do with those players failing to be honest.

For starters, Dembele has been really unlucky with injuries. And many of the other Barca flops like Coutinho, Griezmann (and Zlatan before them) have also failed largely because of Messi too. While Messi is one of the greatest players of all time, it can be difficult for other attacking players to shine in the same team as him, especially if they have a manager who doesn't really know what he's doing. 

Just look at the Argentina NT, a world class player like Dybala has barely featured because having Messi dictates so much on how they play as a team and how they set up their attack. Griezmann as a player is quite similar to Dybala and neither of those have been played in their best roles because Messi occupies much of the same space as they would ideally and they haven't been able to adapt to a different role.

Griezmann and Coutinho were both statement signings made by the Barcelona board without really having a plan for them so it's not that surprising they haven't been good for them. I think Coutinho was played mostly on the left winger spot which is not where he played his best football at Liverpool.

And as for Joao Felix he's still young and at 20yo I wouldn't write him off just yet. But maybe he should've stayed at Benfica for another season before making his move. Now he came to Atletico with huge expectations after just one season of professional football under his belt while Havertz already has four seasons as a regular starter at Leverkusen. If a player is good enough and they're played in a role best suited for them, they will come good no matter the fee.

I trust Havertz will come good based on his sheer ability alone. I am just wary of the English media who can be very hard on expensive players. Just look at Pogba, he is slagged off everyday by pundits . Luckily it's a ManUtd problem

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7 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

I trust Havertz will come good based on his sheer ability alone. I am just wary of the English media who can be very hard on expensive players. Just look at Pogba, he is slagged off everyday by pundits . Luckily it's a ManUtd problem

if we toss out a shedload on Chilwell, then that  perhaps would take some of the pressure off Havertz, provided Chilwell doesn't have an explosive start and Havertz a slow one

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6 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

I trust Havertz will come good based on his sheer ability alone. I am just wary of the English media who can be very hard on expensive players. Just look at Pogba, he is slagged off everyday by pundits . Luckily it's a ManUtd problem

I think with Pogba part of the problem is there's just something deeply unlikeable about him. He's very arrogant, flashy and has that cunt Mino Raiola always talking big in the media so pundits take him under special scrutiny. And it probably didn't help that Mourinho also used to slag him off in public when he was their manager so the attitude towards him just stuck even after Jose was long gone. 

Havertz seems like a more quiet guy who lets his football do the talking so I don't think the media will hound him out that badly if he doesn't succeed immediately. But let's hope he does. 

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1 hour ago, Jype said:

Griezmann as a player is quite similar to Dybala 

Are u serious? 
they are very different and Dybala is much much better

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Just now, blues.bridge said:

Are u serious? 
they are very different and Dybala is much much better

What I mostly meant was that positionally they're both at their best playing in the second striker role, which is something that doesn't exist in a Barcelona or Argentina team with Messi in it.

Dybala is a better dribbler and passer, while Griezmann is probably the better finisher of the two. Either way both of them are really high quality players when played in their best roles and less good when forced to play out of position, ie. on the wings. 

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3 hours ago, Vesper said:

Bild said yesterday that Havertz has agreed to (this is a huge wage) £346K PW

I was on Redcafe, and some of the German members are saying that Bild is a terrible source, 

 

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Everything that has Bild in it's name is shit. They've got reliable information at times and often know stories before anyone else knows them but on the other hand it's impossible to tell apart which articles are based on knowledge and which are invented.

There's a saying in Germany: "Bild talked to the deceased first while Express recorded the audio."

Disgusting news paper. The type of journos that force fresh widows into exclusive interviews through threats that they make the affairs of their deceased husband public.

 

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Bild is very reliable when it comes to football.

They are garbage when it comes to outside football topics

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