🇩🇪 Kai Havertz

[Pizy 18,909]

I'm sure agents Rüdiger and Timo are in his ear. 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

While I think Havertz and the likes are great, Id actualy prefer to see Mount, RLC and others develop. 

They have enough potential to make us a top top club but just more patience and time.

[King Kante 1,643]

8 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

While I think Havertz and the likes are great, Id actualy prefer to see Mount, RLC and others develop. 

They have enough potential to make us a top top club but just more patience and time.

Problem with RLC is that he is nearly 25 and has been incredibly injury prone and hasn't developed his work off the ball. I am not saying we should get rid but for me he will always be one of those players that will only be at his best in open games and will never get a full season in. 

[killer1257 3,282]

Problem with RLC is that he is nearly 25 and has been incredibly injury prone and hasn't developed his work off the ball. I am not saying we should get rid but for me he will always be one of those players that will only be at his best in open games and will never get a full season in. 

Havertz does not have world class defending skills either.He is not even that physical.

I want him as a CF. 5 Matches and 7 goals and 1 assist as a CF. As an offensive midfielder, Havertz has scored 3 goals and 2 assists in 15 Matches in current Bundesliga season. RLC has scored 6 goals and 2 assists and played 300 minutes less minutes last season in PL than Havertz as a OM this season.

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[Supermonkey92 1,428]

Problem with RLC is that he is nearly 25 and has been incredibly injury prone and hasn't developed his work off the ball. I am not saying we should get rid but for me he will always be one of those players that will only be at his best in open games and will never get a full season in. 

Isnt there like 7 games left this season?

I think that's enough time to see where RLC currently is. I thinks hes gonna come in and look great. Adding goals and assists to his game last season cleared up which position sits him. Attacking mid, centre or left mostly. He can improve his off ball work rate buts it's not as crucial as when he was playing cm

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[Supermonkey92 1,428]

Havertz does not have world class defending skills either.He is not even that physical.

I want him as a CF. 5 Matches and 7 goals and 1 assist as a CF. As an offensive midfielder, Havertz has scored 3 goals and 2 assists in 15 Matches in current Bundesliga season. RLC has scored 6 goals and 2 assists and played 300 minutes less minutes last season in PL than Havertz as a OM this season.

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My opinions on havertz are useless because of how little I've seen him, but from what I have he does look pretty poor off the ball (when the team has to defend).

Theres been times where I've watched from and thought RLC is clearly the better dribbler when hes carrying the ball up the pitch (not necessarily in tight space though) and is actually clearly the better athlete (but then havertz is only 20). I think RLC is the better tackler as well.

So I'd love to hear your opinion on if you agree at all.

I get the impression Havertz is a great finisher, with both feet. And has the technique and vision to make good passes. Not had at dribbling but not his main asset. And his skillset makes him a great CF/false 9.



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[killer1257 3,282]

My opinions on havertz are useless because of how little I've seen him, but from what I have he does look pretty poor off the ball (when the team has to defend).

Theres been times where I've watched from and thought RLC is clearly the better dribbler when hes carrying the ball up the pitch (not necessarily in tight space though) and is actually clearly the better athlete (but then havertz is only 20). I think RLC is the better tackler as well.

So I'd love to hear your opinion on if you agree at all.

I get the impression Havertz is a great finisher, with both feet. And has the technique and vision to make good passes. Not had at dribbling but not his main asset. And his skillset makes him a great CF/false 9.



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I actually agree with you. I think that his dribbling qualities are actually amazing, but I think that RLC is a more efficient dribbler than Havertz.

Havertz is very inconsistent as a midfielder and one reason is his lack of Defensive qualities. He may be tall but he is not anywhere close to RLC physicality. There is a reason why Havertz best performances came from CF and right winger. He can focus more on his strenghts and in my opinion, we should go for him if we want a false 9. I would not buy him as a OM because fully fit RLC is as good and Kovacic is currently World class and is better overall than Havertz right now as a midfielder.

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[Supermonkey92 1,428]

I actually agree with you. I think that his dribbling qualities are actually amazing, but I think that RLC is a more efficient dribbler than Havertz.

Havertz is very inconsistent as a midfielder and one reason is his lack of Defensive qualities. He may be tall but he is not anywhere close to RLC physicality. There is a reason why Havertz best performances came from CF and right winger. He can focus more on his strenghts and in my opinion, we should go for him if we want a false 9. I would not buy him as a OM because fully fit RLC is as good and Kovacic is currently World class and is better overall than Havertz right now as a midfielder.

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I can imagine him playing a false would allow Werner to make runs from wide into the space Havertz has left as moves around wide/deep.

Werner would essentially take up the same positions David villa did for Barcelona. Kind of like Anelka for us - a wide striker - but with a false 9 Werner would have more space in the middle to move into than anelka had when drogba was our central striker

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[Magic Lamps 11,692]

40 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

 

 

I actually agree with you. I think that his dribbling qualities are actually amazing, but I think that RLC is a more efficient dribbler than Havertz.

Havertz is very inconsistent as a midfielder and one reason is his lack of Defensive qualities. He may be tall but he is not anywhere close to RLC physicality. There is a reason why Havertz best performances came from CF and right winger. He can focus more on his strenghts and in my opinion, we should go for him if we want a false 9. I would not buy him as a OM because fully fit RLC is as good and Kovacic is currently World class and is better overall than Havertz right now as a midfielder.

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I agree. Tbh if RLC comes back as good as he used to be last season with his halved calf not hindering his progress then we don’t really need Havertz As midfielder. But we can not really take that chance. Especially given we are quite short at forward options, Havertz could well play any of those including leading the line and filling ina winger when Puli and CHO Cho inevitably pick up injuries.

[King Kante 1,643]

2 hours ago, killer1257 said:

Havertz does not have world class defending skills either.He is not even that physical.

I want him as a CF. 5 Matches and 7 goals and 1 assist as a CF. As an offensive midfielder, Havertz has scored 3 goals and 2 assists in 15 Matches in current Bundesliga season. RLC has scored 6 goals and 2 assists and played 300 minutes less minutes last season in PL than Havertz as a OM this season.

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It not so much the defending as I accept he is a No.8 and not a No.6. However, RLC also doesn't make runs off the ball and doesn't track runners. Tbf, I have not actually seen Harvetz in real life so he may also have these issues but I have seen RLC in the flesh play most of his games as I have a ST and do a lot of away games. Honestly, he is a very lazy player off the ball as he only lightly jogs about and always wants the ball to feet. 

This issue with him has also been mentioned by both Conte and Jose which I think is the real reason why he didn't get more game time from them even though he was on paper is he physically a perfect fit for want they look for in a CM. The only possible way I see him resolving this issue is if the reason he has played in such a manner is due to his back and now he has lost a lot of weight, he may be able to do more. 

Personally, I like him but I am also realistic about his actual fitness history and what I have seen with my own eyes. 

[Tomo 21,751]

5 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

While I think Havertz and the likes are great, Id actualy prefer to see Mount, RLC and others develop. 

They have enough potential to make us a top top club but just more patience and time.

Havertz will be a CF if we get him.

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

Havertz

Werner---------Ziyech

Mount/RLC

Kovacic-----Gilmour

 

This team is mental tbf 

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

Havertz

Werner---------Ziyech

Mount/RLC

Kovacic-----Gilmour

 

This team is mental tbf 

It's the movement. Werner from wide the central. Ziyech from wide to deep. Havertz deep or wide and Mount like a headless chicken

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[BlueLyon 9,359]

3 hours ago, Tomo said:

Havertz will be a CF if we get him.

Yes which means less time for Tammy.

Also I meant this in general, including Werner/Ziyech.

Mount, RLC, Odoi,...certainly wont all be starters now. Not saying they are good enough or anything, but now they almost certainly wont get enough playtime. 

[Jase 43,479]

3 hours ago, Tomo said:

Havertz will be a CF if we get him.

Judging by Lampard's comments about competition for places upfront earlier, not sure that would be the case IF we do get Havertz.

[Tomo 21,751]

10 minutes ago, Jason said:

Judging by Lampard's comments about competition for places upfront earlier, not sure that would be the case IF we do get Havertz.

Time will tell but I think Lampard wants a versatile set of attacking players that can switch off the cuff for what any particular game needs or who needs resting, the way Mount has been both LW and CM this season.

Kai has gone up a level since he's been made a CF it would be nonsensical if we signed him to play any other position.

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, Tomo said:

Time will tell but I think Lampard wants a versatile set of attacking players that can switch off the cuff for what any particular game needs or who needs resting, the way Mount has been both LW and ST this season.

Kai has gone up a level since he's been made a CF it would be nonsensical if we signed him to play any other position.

But it doesn't mean we need to overdo it. Moreover, these players are still young. Constantly chopping and changing isn't going to help their development. If anything, I'd say we perhaps need another cover for the wide area more than another ST/CF. Hence the link with Benrahma. 

[Pizy 18,909]

I don't think there's any chance we'd deploy him as a CF. I think he'd be competing with Mason as the #10. A midfielder who is always high up the pitch and around the box to hunt the ball.

[killer1257 3,282]

I don't think there's any chance we'd deploy him as a CF. I think he'd be competing with Mason as the #10. A midfielder who is always high up the pitch and around the box to hunt the ball.

Mount probably has better stats than Havertz as a no. 10. Havertz only has 3 goals and two assists in 15 games as a no. 10 and playing very inconsistent. His best stat come from playing CF and right winger. He played 8 games as a right winger and scored 3 goals and made 3 assists. He also played 5 Matches CF and he scored 7 and assisted 1 goal.He will need couple of years to get into a proper no. 10, while he would be a Top class CF in a very short amount of time

 

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[Pizy 18,909]

6 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Mount probably has better stats than Havertz as a no. 10. Havertz only has 3 goals and two assists in 15 games as a no. und 10 playing very inconsistent. His best stat come from playing CF and right winger. He played 8 games as a right winger and scored 3 goals and made 3 assists. He also played 5 Matches CF and he scored 7 and assisted 1 goal.
He will need couple of years to get a proper no. 10, while he would be a Top class CF in a very short amount of time

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I don't feel we'd be after him with thoughts on him playing up top when we have Tammy and just extended Giroud. Maybe if Frank permenantly switches to a 2 striker system, I guess.