Mikel John Obi

[Gilvorak 3,734]

Regardless how you rate him, why would you keep a player with his feeble attacking numbers on the pitch when chasing a result with few minutes left.

Yeah because we were so creative without him on the pitch. Fact is we actually had a midfield out there with him on the pitch.

[didierforever 7,349]

but but but... he is crap... right?

[robsblubot 3,502]

Yeah because we were so creative without him on the pitch. Fact is we actually had a midfield out there with him on the pitch.

Yes yes Mikel is now a world class player Whatever... Lol

Like I said, regardless how you rate him, his attacking stats speak for themselves. So from a strategy standpoint it's the same as adding attsckers - yes something always gotta give.

[didierforever 7,349]

Yes yes Mikel is now a world class player Whatever... Lol

Like I said, regardless how you rate him, his attacking stats speak for themselves. So from a strategy standpoint it's the same as adding attsckers - yes something always gotta give.

to attack, u need to have the ball.

u can have the ball only if u win it back or the opposition conceded the ball to go on counter (which porto definitely did not do).

A.taking him out was a grave mistake.

B. taking him out and putting cesc as a DLP was a graver mistake.

[robsblubot 3,502]

to attack, u need to have the ball.

u can have the ball only if u win it back or the opposition conceded the ball to go on counter (which porto definitely did not do).

A.taking him out was a grave mistake.

B. taking him out and putting cesc as a DLP was a graver mistake.

Mikel was subbed off when we were already losing the game so what grave mistake do you speak of?

mikel slows down play - we needed to speed it up to attack them. Possession meant nothing once we were losing.

[didierforever 7,349]

Mikel was subbed off when we were already losing the game so what grave mistake do you speak of?

mikel slows down play - we needed to speed it up to attack them. Possession meant nothing once we were losing.

again, to attack them, u need to first get the ball.

damn, i thought i was clear the first time itself.

[robsblubot 3,502]

again, to attack them, u need to first get the ball.

damn, i thought i was clear the first time itself.

It's truly amazing that you keep on thinking people misunderstand or don't understand your very simple points - we are discussing football here not physics.

We simply disagree on this.

[didierforever 7,349]

It's truly amazing that you keep on thinking people misunderstand or don't understand your very simple points - we are discussing football here not physics.

We simply disagree on this.

u disagree that a team needs a ball to attack?

now i am just confused.

[robsblubot 3,502]

u disagree that a team needs a ball to attack?

now i am just confused.

The latter

[didierforever 7,349]

The latter

anyways, our "attacks" after mikel came off was more than clear an indication of how important it is to have a ball winner. dont get me wrong, if we had someone like lamps/bison/ballack in place of cesc, and then made the sub of mikel out, hazard in, it would have seemed well. putting cesc in the mid was always going to result in mid getting over run.

[robsblubot 3,502]

anyways, our "attacks" after mikel came off was more than clear an indication of how important it is to have a ball winner. dont get me wrong, if we had someone like lamps/bison/ballack in place of cesc, and then made the sub of mikel out, hazard in, it would have seemed well. putting cesc in the mid was always going to result in mid getting over run.

Fair enough but we disagree on how good a ball winning mid Mikel is.

Also there are other ways to win the ball back - pushing your def line up (zouma is used to play ball winning) of with other type of players like Ramires etc

I just did not find the attempt, the strategy change wrong. He had to try and incur into risk because of the little time left.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

With his appearance last night, Mikel moved into the top 25 appearance makers ever for Chelsea. Pretty impressive.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

With his appearance last night, Mikel moved into the top 25 appearance makers ever for Chelsea. Pretty impressive.

Not Chelsea quality, though

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,919]

Needs to start vs Liverpool.

[robsblubot 3,502]

Against WHU, one of the better games (as a sub) I've seen of him lately and still far from good enough IMO.

He had one good pass to Eden on the left and everything else was the same bureaucratic drivel I expect from him. We were a man down and he - rightfully so - moved up the pitch (prob instructed to do so), but then as always he was completely ineffective going forward.

No I do not expect him to dribble past 2 players and score, but I do expect him to try to assist, try to shoot from outside the box, or make a run just to confuse the markers. He doesn't do any of that though; no shots attempted for a guy who had so much of the football and was under no pressure - opponents know about his attacking numbers.

Mikel and Ramires as CMs is just sad... They just don't produce anything going forward and the attacking players suffer.

[DYC. 7,542]

Against WHU, one of the better games (as a sub) I've seen of him lately and still far from good enough IMO.

He had one good pass to Eden on the left and everything else was the same bureaucratic drivel I expect from him. We were a man down and he - rightfully so - moved up the pitch (prob instructed to do so), but then as always he was completely ineffective going forward.

No I do not expect him to dribble past 2 players and score, but I do expect him to try to assist, try to shoot from outside the box, or make a run just to confuse the markers. He doesn't do any of that though; no shots attempted for a guy who had so much of the football and was under no pressure - opponents know about his attacking numbers.

Mikel and Ramires as CMs is just sad... They just don't produce anything going forward and the attacking players suffer.

What is it with you and Mikel? I have a feeling you'd kick him in the shin if you ever met him.

[robsblubot 3,502]

What is it with you and Mikel? I have a feeling you'd kick him in the shin if you ever met him.

Not at all - nothing personal. Just think he is a lousy footballer. And these days I even question whether a playyer such as mikel is even needed as all top clubs don't employ them any more.

And to be honest it's not like I say 'mikel sucks!' But rather give very specific reasons why I believe he is insufficient - thought his 600 odd minutes in epl in our winning season was reason enough (that he isn't good enough to play).

Also I did Not say he was the reason we lost today - no single player is. And ivanovic did not play against WHU.

[DYC. 7,542]

Not at all - nothing personal. Just think he is a lousy footballer. And these days I even question whether a playyer such as mikel is even needed as all top clubs don't employ them any more.

And to be honest it's not like I say 'mikel sucks!' But rather give very specific reasons why I believe he is insufficient - thought his 600 odd minutes in epl in our winning season was reason enough (that he isn't good enough to play).

Also I did Not say he was the reason we lost today - no single player is. And ivanovic did not play against WHU.

I agree with you a lot of times, I'm not exactly a fan of Mikel either (understatement), and I find it very funny how Mikel pushes your buttons. You respectfully rip him to shreds.