Coronaviral

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[Vesper 28,853]

1 hour ago, Warning_Hazard said:

Atleast they seem to have finally agreed on something!

And guess what theyre both lunatics!

see we can agree again

[Laylabelle 9,359]

15 hours ago, Vesper said:

They stole supplies. Fuck anti vaxxers. They are a huge reason we have all this shit.

But its a testing centre...nothing to do with vaccines. I know there's the whole stop testing and this will go away thoughts in people's minds. Just protest. Don't be a idiot.

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This is the guy who invented mRNA

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1 hour ago, Laylabelle said:

But its a testing centre...nothing to do with vaccines. I know there's the whole stop testing and this will go away thoughts in people's minds. Just protest. Don't be a idiot.

The chinese will be loving it rubbing their panda paws together for another bulk order of dodgy tests that cant actually differeciate between a flu and rona, tests that have no void so if you pour water on them they show negative and if you use orange juice that turns them positive etc!

The only harm they did was probs to some of their old mates down parliment who are profiting off the tests on all sides of the poli-trick-all spectum

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1 hour ago, Laylabelle said:

But its a testing centre...nothing to do with vaccines. I know there's the whole stop testing and this will go away thoughts in people's minds. Just protest. Don't be a idiot.

anti-vaxxers want to destroy anything to do with a government response to Covid, including testing sites

these people were all anti-vaxxers

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“If you have to be persuaded, reminded, pressured, lied to, incentivized, coerced, bullied, socially shamed, guilt-tripped, threatened, punished and criminalized ... If all of this is considered necessary to gain your compliance -- you can be absolutely certain that what is being promoted is not in your best interest.” - Ian Watson

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1 hour ago, Warning_Hazard said:

This is the guy who invented mRNA

Of course, you have no rights anymore, you have no freedom of speech, now if they can do this to him, what cant they do to us? You should watch his other vids where he clearly states that the vax is not meant for humans, but that shit got taken down fast after it was uploaded.....

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On 31/12/2021 at 19:29, Atomiswave said:

Of course, you have no rights anymore, you have no freedom of speech, now if they can do this to him, what cant they do to us? You should watch his other vids where he clearly states that the vax is not meant for humans, but that shit got taken down fast after it was uploaded.....

Hopefully more people will do some serious listening and reading to more non partisan experts etc!

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24 minutes ago, Vesper said:

What top doctors? Their so called experts are in on it, your so called health ministers eat from the same table. Your big pharma dont have a leg to stand on. My own doctor doesnt know whats inside the vax. So so so many doctors and those within medicine have come out in mass and said this is all wrong. The dude that made the PCR test said in his book you cant use PCR to determine what you have or dont have. Those that made mRNA have very clearly mentioned many times that this shit will fuck you up and under any circumstance should not be taken, as the expert in SA said the other day, the world leaders dont listen to us. But hey if you rather sit in front of your tele and eat their narrative up then go ahead, you decide. I for one refuse to trust puppets and criminals. Tony Blair still has a platform to talk, he was fucking knighted. The man is a mass murderer. Do you even know what corona looks like, no you dont, neither do I. We have been shown a CGI image, no pictures or vids how and when they isolated the virus in order to make the vax.

 

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10 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

What top doctors? Their so called experts are in on it, your so called health ministers eat from the same table. Your big pharma dont have a leg to stand on. My own doctor doesnt know whats inside the vax. So so so many doctors and those within medicine have come out in mass and said this is all wrong. The dude that made the PCR test said in his book you cant use PCR to determine what you have or dont have. Those that made mRNA have very clearly mentioned many times that this shit will fuck you up and under any circumstance should not be taken, as the expert in SA said the other day, the world leaders dont listen to us. But hey if you rather sit in front of your tele and eat their narrative up then go ahead, you decide. I for one refuse to trust puppets and criminals. Tony Blair still has a platform to talk, he was fucking knighted. The man is a mass murderer. Do you even know what corona looks like, no you dont, neither do I. We have been shown a CGI image, no pictures or vids how and when they isolated the virus in order to make the vax.

 

You are conflating bankster systemic control theory (which you know I a massive proponent of, so not against you on this) with basic epidemiological science.

Bottom line, almost all of the people dying of Covid now and since it started (obviously pre-December 2020 there were almost no people vaccinated other than ones in trials), and a huge chunk of those in ICU's now and since it started, are unvaxxed.

Not getting fully vaxxed massively increases your chances of serious hospitalisation and/or death, especially if you are 40yo, 50yo and up, and/or have comorbidities.

It really is that simple.

Edited January 3, 2022 by Vesper

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35 minutes ago, Vesper said:

You are conflating bankster systemic control theory (which you know I a massive proponent of, so not against you on this) with basic epidemiological science.

Bottom line, almost all of the people dying of Covid now and since it started (obviously pre-December 2020 there were almost no people vaccinated other than ones in trials), and a huge chunk of those in ICU's now and since it started, are unvaxxed.

Not getting fully vaxxed massively increases your chances of serious hospitalisation and/or death, especially if you are 40yo, 50yo and up, and/or have comorbidities.

It really is that simple.

 What is fully vaxxed anyway? Do you know? I sure dont. Its not good for your body to get shot like that even if the vax was fully legit. Next year this time they will force you to get the 4th and 5th jab......and Im sad to say that a work mate got his third booster last week, after 1 day he lost all his senses, he cant move a muscle.

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8 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

 What is fully vaxxed anyway? Do you know? I sure dont. Its not good for your body to get shot like that even if the vax was fully legit. Next year this time they will force you to get the 4th and 5th jab......and Im sad to say that a work mate got his third booster last week, after 1 day he lost all his senses, he cant move a muscle.

In terms of prevention of serious hospitalisation and/or death, fully vaxxed atm means 2 jabs.

A booster helps, but (atm, as new Omicron-specific boosters my soon come) other than Moderna (which lasts longer so far), full effects for prevention of transmission (around 80-90% for most in the first 2 months post booster aka 3rd jab) of Omicron (not Delta, Delta transmission prevention still holds up) starts to decline starting around 10 to 12 weeks. All still massively prevent prevent serious hospitalisation and death.

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2 hours ago, Vesper said:

In terms of prevention of serious hospitalisation and/or death, fully vaxxed atm means 2 jabs.

A booster helps, but (atm, as new Omicron-specific boosters my soon come) other than Moderna (which lasts longer so far), full effects for prevention of transmission (around 80-90% for most in the first 2 months post booster aka 3rd jab) of Omicron (not Delta, Delta transmission prevention still holds up) starts to decline starting around 10 to 12 weeks. All still massively prevent prevent serious hospitalisation and death.

But Omicron is so weak, please stop eating the narritive Vesper. Omicron is extremely weak as I showed in the vids pages back yet the fearmongering must continue by the media. You said atm 2 jabs, next year its 4 jabs cuz of ultron variant.

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52 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

But Omicron is so weak, please stop eating the narritive Vesper. Omicron is extremely weak as I showed in the vids pages back yet the fearmongering must continue by the media. You said atm 2 jabs, next year its 4 jabs cuz of ultron variant.

it is not just Omicron about there, Delta is still killing off people too, AND if you are unvaxxed you are in much more trouble if you get either

I am not 'eating the narritive' (whatever that means)

It is the basic science

there is NOT some wild conspiracy theory rolling on

it is simply wilful ignorance by many bad actors and their millions of dupes versus basic science

 

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Sceptics Say, ‘Do Your Own Research.’ It’s Not That Simple.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/03/opinion/dyor-do-your-own-research.html

A new slogan has emerged in the culture: “Do your own research.” On internet forums and social media platforms, people arguing about hotly contested topics like vaccines, climate change and voter fraud sometimes bolster their point or challenge their interlocutors by slipping in the acronym “D.Y.O.R.”

“Two days after getting the jab, a friend of mine’s friend had a heart attack,” a Reddit user wrote recently in a discussion about Covid-19 vaccines. “I’m not saying they’re connected, but D.Y.O.R.”

The slogan, which appeared in conspiracy theory circles in the 1990s, has grown in popularity over the past decade as conflicts over the reliability of expert judgment have become more pronounced. It promotes an individualistic, freethinking approach to understanding the world: Don’t be gullible — go and find out for yourself what the truth is.

That may seem to be sound advice. Isn’t it always a good idea to gather more information before making up your mind about a complex topic?

In theory, perhaps. But in practice the idea that people should investigate topics on their own, instinctively skeptical of expert opinion, is often misguided. As psychological studies have repeatedly shown, when it comes to technical and complex issues like climate change and vaccine efficacy, novices who do their own research often end up becoming more misled than informed — the exact opposite of what D.Y.O.R. is supposed to accomplish.

Consider what can happen when people begin to learn about a topic. They may start out appropriately humble, but they can quickly become unreasonably confident after just a small amount of exposure to the subject. Researchers have called this phenomenon the beginner’s bubble.

In a 2018 study, for example, one of us (Professor Dunning) and the psychologist Carmen Sanchez asked people to try their hand at diagnosing certain diseases. (All the diseases in question were fictitious, so no one had any experience diagnosing them.) The participants attempted to determine whether hypothetical patients were healthy or sick, using symptom information that was helpful but imperfect, and they got feedback after every case about whether they were right or wrong. Given the limited nature of the symptom information that was provided, the participants’ judgments ought to have been made with some uncertainty.

How did these would-be doctors fare? At the start, they were appropriately cautious, offering diagnoses without much confidence in their judgments. But after only a handful of correct diagnoses, their confidence shot up drastically — far beyond what their actual rates of accuracy justified. Only later, as they proceeded to make more mistakes, did their confidence level off to a degree more in line with their proficiency.

The study suggested that people place far too much credence in the initial bits of information they encounter when learning something. “A little learning,” as the poet Alexander Pope wrote, “is a dangerous thing.”

Anecdotally, you can see the beginner’s bubble at work outside the laboratory too. Consider do-it-yourself projects gone wrong. Power tools, ladders and lawn mowers are easily mishandled by untrained users who know just enough to put themselves in danger. A study found that U.S. consumer injuries from pneumatic nail guns increased about 200 percent between 1991 and 2005, apparently as a result of the increased availability of nail guns that were affordable for nonprofessionals.

Research also shows that people learning about topics are vulnerable to hubris. Consider a 2015 study by one of us (Professor Dunning) and the psychologists Stav Atir and Emily Rosenzweig. It found that when novices perceive themselves as having developed expertise about topics such as finance and geography, they will frequently claim that they know about nonexistent financial instruments (like “prerated stocks”) and made-up places (like Cashmere, Ore.) when asked about such things.

Likewise, a 2018 study of attitudes about vaccine policy found that when people ascribe authority to themselves about vaccines, they tend to view their own ideas as better than ideas from rival sources and as equal to those of doctors and scientists who have focused on the issue. Their experience makes them less willing to listen to well-informed advisers than they would have been otherwise.

There should be no shame in identifying a consensus of independent experts and deferring to what they collectively report. As individuals, our skills at adequately vetting information are spotty. You can be expert at telling reliable cardiologists from quacks without knowing how to separate serious authorities from pretenders on economic policy.

For D.Y.O.R. enthusiasts, one lesson to take away from all of this might be: Don’t do your own research, because you are probably not competent to do it.

Is that our message? Not necessarily. For one thing, that is precisely the kind of advice that advocates of D.Y.O.R. are primed to reject. In a society where conflicts between so-called elites and their critics are so pronounced, appealing to the superiority of experts can trigger distrust.

The problem is compounded by the fact that outsider critics frequently have legitimate complaints about advice provided by insider authorities. One example might be the initial instruction from public officials at the outset of the Covid-19 pandemic that people need not wear masks.

Instead, our message, in part, is that it’s not enough for experts to have credentials, knowledge and lots of facts. They must show that they are trustworthy and listen seriously to objections from alternative perspectives.

We strive to offer careful guidance when it comes to our own areas of expertise. Even so, some D.Y.O.R. enthusiasts may reject our cautions. If they do, we hope that they will nonetheless heed at least one piece of advice: If you are going to do your own research, the research you should do first is on how best to do your own research.