Krzysztof Piatek

[Superblue 6,372]

14 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

Also a huge risk paying $40 mill for a 3 year old for 1 season. Or even getting him on loan considering the goals he scres.

I was all over the Higs idea to start with but the more I looked at it the less sense it made. Specially with the good young strikers there are.

IF we had a GOOD striker and only wanted a back up loan Id say go for it.

Unfortunately its our most important need.

I can agree with that assessment. 

It's a difficult balance because we have a big short term need. The success we have this season (even making top 4) could have a huge effect over the course of the next couple of seasons whether Sarri stays and the current projects continues or we go a different route and have to effectively start over yet again. The short term for me, I feel more comfortable with a proven striker than a player that has hit a bit of form in the last few months. 

However I do agree that signing someone like Higuain is not going to be the long term answer and therefore the club must decide if they pursue such a move, how much are they prepared to spend for a much shorter term solution.

[Vesper 30,219]

5 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

It's a huge risk to buy a player like this who has had a really good 6 months which could equate to nothing more than a bit of form.

A couple of seasons ago, Belotti was the same. I can remember Papiss Cisse for Newcastle having that ridiculous 6 months at Newcastle where everything he hit went in.

We've been burnt a few times in the past buying a player on the back of one good season. Bakayoko in recent times is a good example.

But then I guess there are also the likes of players like Kante who we brought after only one season at Leicester and kicked on another level.

I just think how important it is to get a good striker who will score goals at present, we maybe need something at least short term more proven. If we had a good striker already at the club and were looking to take a punt on him coming in as another option then the risk would be far less.

What do you think of Luka Jovic?

in my book there are only 6 good options who are not 30-somethings and could actually be prised away (albeit the first 2 are £98m and well over £120m, respectively)

1 Icardi

2 Dybala

3 Timo Werner (would be HUGE payback to Bayern if they poach CHO)

4 Luka Jovic

5 Piatek

6 Sébastien Haller

 

 

do NOT want Higs, hell no

only 30-somethings who interest me are

Lewandowski (too expensive atm, plus Bayern will never sell him this January)

Luis Suárez see Lewa

Edinson Cavani    probably the easiest to pull, but how much??

[Unionjack 7,531]

25 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I can agree with that assessment. 

It's a difficult balance because we have a big short term need. The success we have this season (even making top 4) could have a huge effect over the course of the next couple of seasons whether Sarri stays and the current projects continues or we go a different route and have to effectively start over yet again. The short term for me, I feel more comfortable with a proven striker than a player that has hit a bit of form in the last few months. 

However I do agree that signing someone like Higuain is not going to be the long term answer and therefore the club must decide if they pursue such a move, how much are they prepared to spend for a much shorter term solution.

Problem is that both our strikers are supposedly PROVEN!!

Big difference between Proven and In Form.

Higuain is Proven not In Form. Its a BIG risk to take when as you say our next 2 or 3 seasons depend on it.

[Superblue 6,372]

1 minute ago, Unionjack said:

Problem is that both our strikers are supposedly PROVEN!!

Big difference between Proven and In Form.

Higuain is Proven not In Form. Its a BIG risk to take when as you say our next 2 or 3 seasons depend on it.

Morata was never a proven first choice and Giroud has never been a proven goalscorer though.

[Vesper 30,219]

21 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Giroud has never been a proven goalscorer though.

I could so deal with these numbers, especially if he was only part-time (he will never get here again, he is too old)

but he was deffo a proven goal scorer at one time

 

20 goals a year on average for 7 straight years (and a couple of those years he missed a significant amount of games, especially 2014-15, when he broke his foot), and that 2011-12 season he almost singled-handedly carried a meh Montpellier side to the Ligue 1 title (the last game of the season was CRAZY, full stop riot and smoke bombs/fires, game was delayed for like 20 minutes as I recall)

He also had multiple years in double digit assists, and averaged out to around 7-8 per year for the 7 years.

At one point, he was a really good striker, a 24yo to 29 or 30yo Giroud was a beast.

[Superblue 6,372]

5 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I could so deal with these numbers, especially if he was only part-time (he will never get here again, he is too old)

but he was deffo a proven goal scorer at one time

 

20 goals a year on average for 7 straight years (and a couple of those years he missed a significant amount of games, especially 2014-15, when he broke his foot), and that 2011-12 season he almost singled-handedly carried a meh Montpellier side to the Ligue 1 title (the last game of the season was CRAZY, full stop riot and smoke bombs/fires, game was delayed for like 20 minutes as I recall)

He also had multiple years in double digit assists, and averaged out to around 7-8 per year for the 7 years.

At one point, he was a really good striker, a 24yo to 29 or 30yo Giroud was a beast.

Yeah fair enough his goalscoring record is actually a lot better than I thought it would be.

[Unionjack 7,531]

36 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Yeah fair enough his goalscoring record is actually a lot better than I thought it would be.

I would say so. 20 goals a season for 7 years in the PL. We should be so lucky.

But then Morata right nows on 9 with 900 mins and 18 games less that Willian. He MIGHT just get those 20.

[Vesper 30,219]

1 hour ago, Unionjack said:

I would say so. 20 goals a season for 7 years in the PL. We should be so lucky.

But then Morata right nows on 9 with 900 mins and 18 games less that Willian. He MIGHT just get those 20.

5 years were EPL. 2 (only one was really big) were Ligue 1. But yes, 5 years of EPL 20 goals average. 

[mccg 1,528]

REAL WANT PIATEK

Real Madrid want to bring in Serie A hot-shot Krzysztof Piatek, according to AS.

The Polish forward has 13 goals this term and is reportedly an AC Milan transfer target. Genoa are braced for bids with Los Blancos reportedly at the front of the queue.

[Vesper 30,219]

1 hour ago, mccg said:

REAL WANT PIATEK

Real Madrid want to bring in Serie A hot-shot Krzysztof Piatek, according to AS.

The Polish forward has 13 goals this term and is reportedly an AC Milan transfer target. Genoa are braced for bids with Los Blancos reportedly at the front of the queue.

19 goals in 21 games, all comps

and

instead our board is looking at an overweight, rapidly declining 31yo who has scored one goal since October and will probably cost around the same (within £10m either way or so)

36

24

16

6

his league goal tallies the last 3 and a half years

[Johnnyeye 7,510]

10 hours ago, mccg said:

REAL WANT PIATEK

Real Madrid want to bring in Serie A hot-shot Krzysztof Piatek, according to AS.

The Polish forward has 13 goals this term and is reportedly an AC Milan transfer target. Genoa are braced for bids with Los Blancos reportedly at the front of the queue.

if Real really want him they will get him, but not sure if it's what they really need, the player they are severely lacking is in the Mbappe and Neymar mold.

[Unionjack 7,531]

18 minutes ago, Johnnyeye said:

if Real really want him they will get him, but not sure if it's what they really need, the player they are severely lacking is in the Mbappe and Neymar mold.

Greedy sods mate!

[Johnnyeye 7,510]

21 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

Greedy sods mate!

if i was Hazard i would just stay put here and become a legend, instead of going to that circus in Madrid, is he really going to reach that next level there? highly doubt it

[Unionjack 7,531]

5 minutes ago, Johnnyeye said:

if i was Hazard i would just stay put here and become a legend, instead of going to that circus in Madrid, is he really going to reach that next level there? highly doubt it

I hope that we keep CHO so he can fight for his spot. He needs to be kept on his toes. Gets far too nonchalant at times!

[Johnnyeye 7,510]

17 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

I hope that we keep CHO so he can fight for his spot. He needs to be kept on his toes. Gets far too nonchalant at times!

what i dont understand is all this hype surrounding CHO and Bayern, the kid must be put in his place, work hard in training and fight for a place in the team like any real professional, look no futther than our own legend (Terry), any kid with quality that comes trough the academy can't think he will automatically get in to starting 11 and throw tantrums if he doesn't play, if you are good enough you will play imo, just work for it ffs. most players nowadays just want to take the easy route and move to other clubs if things arent handed to them on a silver plater, fucking primadonas, they start moaning and crying on social media, etc. if things dont go their way. I say fuck you Bayern and always remember these words: "your stadium, your city, our cup" . Cheers

[Unionjack 7,531]

51 minutes ago, Johnnyeye said:

what i dont understand is all this hype surrounding CHO and Bayern, the kid must be put in his place, work hard in training and fight for a place in the team like any real professional, look no futther than our own legend (Terry), any kid with quality that comes trough the academy can't think he will automatically get in to starting 11 and throw tantrums if he doesn't play, if you are good enough you will play imo, just work for it ffs. most players nowadays just want to take the easy route and move to other clubs, they start moaning and crying on social media, etc. I say fuck off Bayern. Cheers

Problem comes mate when you got outside influences - eg managers/media/agent  blowing smoke up his arse stroking his ego and telling him he DESERVES to be playing at the very top every game! They dont give a fuck about us. Its all ego with alot of kids.

IF I'm wrong then he will stay and do like we have said he should do.

[Johnnyeye 7,510]

50 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

Prob;em comes mate when you got outside influences - eg managers/media/agent  blowing smoke up his arse stroking his ego and telling him he DESERVES to be playing at the very top every game! They dont give a fuck about us. Its all ego with alot of kids.

IF I'm wrong then he will stay and do like we have said he should do.

agree mate, and one more thing what makes CHO think that he will shine instantly for Bayern? just because its working out for Sancho at Dortmund it doesnt mean the grass is much more greener there, atm Chelsea clearly value CHO and are eager to avoid another KDB, Salah scenario. I really hope CHO stays mate, but we'll see. Cheers

[Fernando 6,585]

So we get a declining higuain and Milan get a young upcoming striker in piatek? 

Makes sense, just like about every single thing this club does.... 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

On ‎11‎/‎01‎/‎2019 at 4:44 AM, Unionjack said:

I said that when we were looking at Giroud/Crouch/Carroll and got shot down.

I suspect that's because no one dreamed we'd actually sign any of those players.

[Antonio8 736]

13 minutes ago, Fernando said:

So we get a declining higuain and Milan get a young upcoming striker in piatek? 

Makes sense, just like about every single thing this club does.... 

milan cannot pay 9 mil for a six months' loan plus 4,5 mil to the player plus piatek. that's propaganda