Krzysztof Piatek

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3 hours ago, Fernando said:

Now that Tammy is getting game time, was it a wise move from the board not to get Piatek? 

Look at it from a pure monetary standpoint. For £16m (and a shit tonne lower salary overall in the long term) more than Higs we could have outright owned Piatek. THAT would have let us sell Bats, which would have covered the cost of Piatek basically completely.

Giroud is basically shit other than as a change-up now, and Tammy, the way he is playing would have made Piatek the backup (or pair them is a front two). IF we were unhappy with Piatek, sell him on (more than likely for a BIG profit) I would have so little issues with Tammy and Piatek as our two strikers for years to come. Odds are high they both would get a shedload of playing time, due to the massive amount of games we play and also (dog forbid) an injury to one or the other.

So, all in all, I think we cocked-it up badly, from pretty much every angle. It is always good to buy expensive players (youngish ones at that) for a low price, as you can sell them on for a profit.

Think of it as the ANTI-DRINKWATER ET.AL. model. IF Willian walks on a free,and if we simply cannot sell Drinkwater and even have a hard time loaning him out again, just those two cunts will have cost us well over £125m in lost potential revenue/pissed away fees/salary combined. THAT is seriously fucked up fiduciary malfeasance. Add in the combined loss of potential sale rev on Cuntois and Eden (due to non timely sales/HORRID contractual management) of at least  £90-100m combined (and that can skyrocket to well over £125m plus IF Eden's add-on targets are not met) and you are talking around a QUARTER OF A BILLION QUID in less monies we have from pure cock-ups with just those four players. That is NOT even counting the Higs vis-a-vis Piatek fiscal part.

Add that in plus the £30m or less Alisson would have cost in 2017 versus the £71m a 2018 Kepa cost and you are now WELL over £300m shit away.

Bad fiduciary management adds up FAST.

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Why couldnt we have both Tammy and Piatek? Giroud is essentially spent, and Bats isnt exactly super duper so far. So having 2 young and good strikers is not only crucial but absolutely needed. You cant rely on just 1 striker. So no I still believe the board once again fucked up here. An over the hill slow and fat Higs for immense amounts in the tougest League.......or an upcoming good striker for peanuts in todays market? Lunacy is all I say. And dont say Sarii wanted him so the board sanktioned it, there must be a time when a Club has to say no, for the good of the Club, cuz it makes sense. Higs didnt do shit for us other than eat wages.

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33 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Why couldnt we have both Tammy and Piatek? Giroud is essentially spent, and Bats isnt exactly super duper so far. So having 2 young and good strikers is not only crucial but absolutely needed. You cant rely on just 1 striker. So no I still believe the board once again fucked up here. An over the hill slow and fat Higs for immense amounts in the tougest League.......or an upcoming good striker for peanuts in todays market? Lunacy is all I say. And dont say Sarii wanted him so the board sanktioned it, there must be a time when a Club has to say no, for the good of the Club, cuz it makes sense. Higs didnt do shit for us other than eat wages.

I wish I could make a potential £300m (and there are more on top of that in just the past 3 years) series of errors and keep my placement.

Marina and the board must be a witches under charm protection.

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38 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Why couldnt we have both Tammy and Piatek? Giroud is essentially spent, and Bats isnt exactly super duper so far. So having 2 young and good strikers is not only crucial but absolutely needed. You cant rely on just 1 striker. So no I still believe the board once again fucked up here. An over the hill slow and fat Higs for immense amounts in the tougest League.......or an upcoming good striker for peanuts in todays market? Lunacy is all I say. And dont say Sarii wanted him so the board sanktioned it, there must be a time when a Club has to say no, for the good of the Club, cuz it makes sense. Higs didnt do shit for us other than eat wages.

Because one of them would be the main striker and the other one would always moan because he does not play and that makes not much sense. One of them would leave after one or two seasons anyway. Young players want to play every match. Mou fucked the KDB situation up. He did not rate him enough and he had too many other midfielders to choose. KDB got frustrated and left the club.

If we have 60 games, the main striker will start at least 40 of them, maybe 45 matches. 20 to 25 matches for the second striker would be not good enough because Piatek plays 40 matches in Serie A as a main striker.

Abraham and Batsman is enough.

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1 hour ago, Vesper said:

My number one target, Iñaki Williams, was basically taken off the board when he renewed for NINE years with Athletic Bilbao, with a crazy high €135m release clause.

Why you rate him so much? He averages one goal in five games in La Liga. Last season was his first 10+ goals season. 

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39 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Why you rate him so much? He averages one goal in five games in La Liga. Last season was his first 10+ goals season. 

They finally played him at CF and he blew up. He has insane pace and is also strong and decent at holdup play. He would be a terror paired with Tammy or used as a winger. I have watched him for years and the second half of last season he came good to the level I expected.

That said, he is so not worth 135m euros. £70m or so max.

He is off the board now anyway. He is a Basque born African and hates Real Madrid. Do not see Barca putting up that type of cash (135m) either. Maybe PSG if they lose Neymar, but I doubt it.

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14 hours ago, killer1257 said:

Because one of them would be the main striker and the other one would always moan because he does not play and that makes not much sense. One of them would leave after one or two seasons anyway. Young players want to play every match. Mou fucked the KDB situation up. He did not rate him enough and he had too many other midfielders to choose. KDB got frustrated and left the club.

If we have 60 games, the main striker will start at least 40 of them, maybe 45 matches. 20 to 25 matches for the second striker would be not good enough because Piatek plays 40 matches in Serie A as a main striker.

Abraham and Batsman is enough.

I agree with KDB but disagree with the striker issues. Of course we can have 2 good strikers on our books at the same time. How does other Clubs do it, how did we do it in all those years? Of course we can shuffle 2 strikers at the same time come'on now mate. In no way or shape or form is Tammy and Bats enough, not when one of them is very average. If Tammy gets injured we are fuked up front.

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Just now, Atomiswave said:

I agree with KDB but disagree with the striker issues. Of course we can have 2 good strikers on our books at the same time. How does other Clubs do it, how did we do it in all those years? Of course we can shuffle 2 strikers at the same time come'on now mate.

What other clubs are you talking about? City? PSG? Apart from those two clubs, I don´t see that many more teams that have two good strikers in their team.Real Madrid used to have Morata and Benzema. Morata never played and he left. Benzema was their main striker for years. Just like Suarez was the main striker for some years for Barca. Before Suarez, David Villa was their main striker and they did not have a top class BU for Villa either.

How did we do it in recent years? During Ancelotti´s time when I became a Chelsea fan, Chelsea had only Drogba as our main striker. Sometimes Anelka played his position, but his main position was RW. We also had Kalou who played there, but he was never considered a top class striker. Then Torres came and he did play some games because Drogba got older and Torres favouritism, but Torres was not any good, Drogba left anayway after the win in Munich.

I don´t remember having two top class strikers during my time as a Chelsea fan. A top class striker  wants to start out of 60 matches, 45 from the beginning. I don´t see that happening at Chelsea when we would have Tammy and Piatek. Giving Abraham only 15 starts from the beginning agains low level teams etc. would be a disgrace. Vice versa for Piatek. Perfect would be Tammy first choice and Batsman second choice, but I think Batsman will  want lo leave us next season because of lack of game time. Second strikers usually leave after not being main striker for two seasons or more.

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You need to have several strikers on hand.....look at how Fergie did it, in 13-14 we had torres demba and eto. You need strikers to get them goals, sometimes more than one on the field to change a game etc. The games are hectic and frantic, you cant survive with just one striker. Its a team effort, you cant demand to game all game every game today. Look at city some years back, they had aguero negrado and dzeko. All played and all scored crucial goals, especially dzeko. He didnt play too often but still got them goals that won them the title. You need options, it up to the manager and the player to grab those chances and prove themselves. Again one injury to Tammy and we are roasted. Tammy and Piatek could easily share the load between them or game at the same time to change a game.

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14 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

What other clubs are you talking about? City? PSG? Apart from those two clubs, I don´t see that many more teams that have two good strikers in their team.Real Madrid used to have Morata and Benzema. Morata never played and he left. Benzema was their main striker for years. Just like Suarez was the main striker for some years for Barca. Before Suarez, David Villa was their main striker and they did not have a top class BU for Villa either.

How did we do it in recent years? During Ancelotti´s time when I became a Chelsea fan, Chelsea had only Drogba as our main striker. Sometimes Anelka played his position, but his main position was RW. We also had Kalou who played there, but he was never considered a top class striker. Then Torres came and he did play some games because Drogba got older and Torres favouritism, but Torres was not any good, Drogba left anayway after the win in Munich.

I don´t remember having two top class strikers during my time as a Chelsea fan. A top class striker  wants to start out of 60 matches, 45 from the beginning. I don´t see that happening at Chelsea when we would have Tammy and Piatek. Giving Abraham only 15 starts from the beginning agains low level teams etc. would be a disgrace. Vice versa for Piatek. Perfect would be Tammy first choice and Batsman second choice, but I think Batsman will  want lo leave us next season because of lack of game time. Second strikers usually leave after not being main striker for two seasons or more.

Examples

Arse

Juve for ages

PSG

Shitty

Eintracht Frankfurt last year an had Haller and Jovic both the year before as well

Napoli for years

Atletico Madrid

Valencia for years

AC Milan for years

Manure

Real Madrid (especially now and then Higs/Benz and  later Benz/Morata)

Barca (this year , for the first time in 10 years, going back to Zlatan and Henry days)

 

 

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Examples

Arse

Juve for ages

PSG

Shitty

Eintracht Frankfurt last year an had Haller and Jovic both the year before as well

Napoli for years

Atletico Madrid

Valencia for years

AC Milan for years

Manure

Real Madrid (especially now and then Higs/Benz and  later Benz/Morata)

Barca (this year , for the first time in 10 years, going back to Zlatan and Henry days)

 

 

Manu did not work long term because Lukaku Left due to lack of game Time.

Real back then was similar. Higs Wanted to be the main striker and left.

Atletico play with a 4-4-2, so they obviously Need more strikers.

Juve has Higs and Mandzukic? Mandzukic will probably leave Juve because he was not nominated in their CL Squad.

Barca? Zlatan left after one season because Messi was too Good. Henry was left winger back then

 

Shitty and PSG give a lot of Money to their Players. Sane wanted to leave because of lack of game Time. Having Sterling, Sane, Mahrez and Silva is just too much. Long term it Never Works. Either Tammy or Piatek will leave and I think Tammy has more Potential than Piatek

 

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14 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Manu did not work long term because Lukaku Left due to lack of game Time.

Real back then was similar. Higs Wanted to be the main striker and left.

Atletico play with a 4-4-2, so they obviously Need more strikers.

Juve has Higs and Mandzukic? Mandzukic will probably leave Juve because he was not nominated in their CL Squad.

Barca? Zlatan left after one season because Messi was too Good. Henry was left winger back then

 

Shitty and PSG give a lot of Money to their Players. Sane wanted to leave because of lack of game Time. Having Sterling, Sane, Mahrez and Silva is just too much. Long term it Never Works. Either Tammy or Piatek will leave and I think Tammy has more Potential than Piatek

 

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I am no longer recommending Piatek, we blew our chance for a great buy

IF we sell Bats (Giroud will leave, and no great loss there) I do think we should make a move for Moussa Dembele as it stands (I may modify this as the season drags on)

hopefully Bats comes good enough to be that solid 2nd, he is not there yet IMHO

I full believe that with 55 or so games there is plenty of room for Tammy and Dembele, and if we roll with 2 strikers on the roster, and an injury occurs, we are fucked if the 2nd is not top class

Zaha, IF he comes at a sane price, is also an option, as he can also play CF (same for Martial, but Manure will never sell him to us now, we blew that out when we did not toss in enough money for the Mourinho driven swap for Willian and him (we fucked up TWICE on Willian in summer 2018, as the other option was the infamous Marina turn-down of the Barca £65m), as Martial did want out then too, because...MOU)