chelsea_4_eva 1,182 Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Tielemans thought "fck it, its kepa" robsblubot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, chelsea_4_eva said: Tielemans thought "fck it, its kepa" Yup good point. opposition players are encouraged when seeing kepa on goal. It’s not the first long range shot he does not go near. folks who are saying we’ve been harsh on him are missing that this is hardly the first time. Had benzema scored that goal in the 25th minute and nobody would’ve blamed Mendy, it would’ve been unsavable… but he saved it. Edited May 15, 2021 by robsblubot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mário César 1,271 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 He just needs to go. He can't play with us ever again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,184 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 short-armed, shit positioning asshat and fuck Tuchel for using him Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mário César 1,271 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 FA Cup Final: Leicester hero Youri Tielemans reveals he was told by a friend to 'hit the top corner' | Daily Mail Online Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted May 16, 2021 Author Share Posted May 16, 2021 Also wonder how much of advantage Tuchel gave Leicester by announcing Kepa will start the cup final 3 days early. Practically gave them time to work on their shooting from distance. They didn't get to take many but the one they did flew into the area where Kepa is most weak at. manpe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mário César 1,271 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jas said: Also wonder how much of advantage Tuchel gave Leicester by announcing Kepa will start the cup final 3 days early. Practically gave them time to work on their shooting from distance. They didn't get to take many but the one they did flew into the area where Kepa is most weak at. The problem also was the defeat againts Arsenal. Ok, Jorginho and Zouma needs to take responsability with the goal, but its impossible not to associated the stupid goal with Kepa presence. errr its so obvious that he just can't play important games. im still piss off with this.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 hace 3 horas, Jas dijo: Is this not subjective though? If you hit a good shot in the top corner it is going in no 9/10 times no? Beigl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted May 16, 2021 Author Share Posted May 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said: Is this not subjective though? If you hit a good shot in the top corner it is going in no 9/10 times no? There's that from Kepa and there's this from Alisson, for example... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Jas said: tbf shots in the bottom corner usually beat him as well. Arsenal 2018, Arsenal 2020, brighton 2020... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jas said: There's that from Kepa and there's this from Alisson, for example... I wonder what Mendy's stats are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) hace 8 minutos, Jas dijo: There's that from Kepa and there's this from Alisson, for example... Again, its not exactly as if Alisson hasn’t had some howlers either or would of saved that shot from Tieleman’s either. I mean the strike itself is top drawer and its not like Tielemans isn’t known for being good at shooting from distance from his days back in Belgium either? Or even his time in the PL. Its mind boggling people are using Kepa as an excuse for not saving a top goal most (including Mendy) wouldn’t have saved or banging on about club politics on Kepa like this is an episode of the Andrew Neil show. Re on the allowing Leicester to practice shooting more which is even more ridiculous, you saying teams don’t work on shooting? How else are they meant to win games by not shooting the ball 😂? Jesus. We are clutching at straws here. I mean cmon, this thread gets more and more ridiculous every time he plays when in a real world 3/4s of the shit said in here if said in the Mendy thread or any other GK at any other forum it would be laughed out of the place. Obviously nobody or next to nobody rates Kepa, I get it, fair enough but don’t these absolute mindbogglingly daft reasons such as stating he was starting 3 days prior allowed a team “extra preparation to practice shooting” or not saving the actual goal (which was a top top strike), not make anyone else’s head hurt? I mean its like saying playing player X or Y gives Leicester more time to practice passing or dribbling prior to any game, these things are fundamental parts of football. As is shooting. Its not as if they said oh he’s playing practice shooting more. And even then for your theory to make sense, its not exactly as if he made any saves or had any saves from long range shots to make bar their goal..... I am starting to worry for some of yous at times 😂 I get people didn’t like the line up. Fair enough. But Alonso being in, that was the bigger and more daft selection from Tuchel on the day. Because Castangne would of ripped Alonso apart had Evans not gone off injured and he didnt have to slot into their back 3 Edited May 16, 2021 by OneMoSalah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted May 16, 2021 Author Share Posted May 16, 2021 43 minutes ago, Tomo said: I wonder what Mendy's stats are. No clue. Shame I no longer have access to that stats site. lol But Mendy's save % is higher this season compared to Kepa last season - 71.2% to 54.5%. Tomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted May 16, 2021 Author Share Posted May 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said: Again, its not exactly as if Alisson hasn’t had some howlers either or would of saved that shot from Tieleman’s either. I mean the strike itself is top drawer and its not like Tielemans isn’t known for being good at shooting from distance from his days back in Belgium either? Or even his time in the PL. Its mind boggling people are using Kepa as an excuse for not saving a top goal most (including Mendy) wouldn’t have saved or banging on about club politics on Kepa like this is an episode of the Andrew Neil show. Re on the allowing Leicester to practice shooting more which is even more ridiculous, you saying teams don’t work on shooting? How else are they meant to win games by not shooting the ball 😂? Jesus. We are clutching at straws here. I mean cmon, this thread gets more and more ridiculous every time he plays when in a real world 3/4s of the shit said in here if said in the Mendy thread or any other GK at any other forum it would be laughed out of the place. Obviously nobody or next to nobody rates Kepa, I get it, fair enough but don’t these absolute mindbogglingly daft reasons such as stating he was starting 3 days prior allowed a team “extra preparation to practice shooting” or not saving the actual goal (which was a top top strike), not make anyone else’s head hurt? I mean its like saying playing player X or Y gives Leicester more time to practice passing or dribbling prior to any game, these things are fundamental parts of football. As is shooting. Its not as if they said oh he’s playing practice shooting more. And even then for your theory to make sense, its not exactly as if he made any saves or had any saves from long range shots to make bar their goal..... I am starting to worry for some of yous at times 😂 I get people didn’t like the line up. Fair enough. But Alonso being in, that was the bigger and more daft selection from Tuchel on the day. Because Castangne would of ripped Alonso apart had Evans not gone off injured and he didnt have to slot into their back 3 I'll just leave this Tomo post here... 7 hours ago, Tomo said: What sums it up with Kepa is could you say it was an out and out howler that Tielemens goal? No, but on the same token if Kroos or Benzema scored at Stamford Bridge it wouldn't have been an Edou howler but he got there anywhere. It wouldn't have been a Schmeichel howler had Mount scored but he got there anyway. Top keepers make that big difference in clutch moments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Justo ahora, Jas dijo: I'll just leave this Tomo post here... Yes I agree with the point hes made completely. But people are using the selection and the goal as a means of saying he cost us the game which is wrong. Top top GKs come up clutch 100%, is Kepa a top top GK? No. Did he make an obvious error, which is how people seem to be treating the goal as? No absolutely not... For me, this situation is almost as bad as the people criticising Ivanovic v Atletico yesrs ago for having to try beat 2 men to a header in the CL under Mourinho which put us out. Obviously due to the nature and belief he was done or not good enough to play for us at that point really made people see past the logic or the actual incident and just blamed him for it. Its like Kepa could have saved the shot and if they scored another brilliant strike in which we would of still lost due to some circumstance not of his owning creating, the knives would be out saying his selection was the reason and that he should of saved it etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said: Again, its not exactly as if Alisson hasn’t had some howlers either or would of saved that shot from Tieleman’s either. I mean the strike itself is top drawer and its not like Tielemans isn’t known for being good at shooting from distance from his days back in Belgium either? Or even his time in the PL. Its mind boggling people are using Kepa as an excuse for not saving a top goal most (including Mendy) wouldn’t have saved or banging on about club politics on Kepa like this is an episode of the Andrew Neil show. I for one am not fully blaming Kepa for the Leicester goal because it really was a great shot byTielemans but still I don't think it's too much to ask a keeper to produce saves from shots like that even occasionally? Sometimes a shot is too good that it goes in and there's nothing that can be done about it but with Kepa it's like you just need to hit the corner from distance and it goes in like literally all of the times due to his short reach (with a hint of bad positioning too?). Maybe the Tielemans shot would've gone in regardless of who's in goal but with someone like Mendy between the sticks there's at least the possibility of producing a great save every once in a while but with Kepa not so much. Also, opposition players must fancy their chances when facing the keeper who's conceded most goals from shots outside the box in the last few years so I'd suppose even their coaches (assuming they've done their homework well enough) encourage their players to shoot on sight and then they just need to get lucky and/or get a clean hit on the ball. With a better keeper in goal they might not even bother trying to shoot from that far out and instead try to go forward and build a better chance inside the box. And like someone commented, the players sure look like they feel a lot more comfortable playing with Mendy behind them. With a higher quality keeper in goal the defenders know they don't have to block every shot from distance and the big man will gather most of them with ease, so they can focus instead on trying to prevent a chance from being created inside the box. With Kepa they need to do both things at the same time and the defending gets unnecessarily complicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted May 16, 2021 Author Share Posted May 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said: Yes I agree with the point hes made completely. But people are using the selection and the goal as a means of saying he cost us the game which is wrong. Top top GKs come up clutch 100%, is Kepa a top top GK? No. Did he make an obvious error, which is how people seem to be treating the goal as? No absolutely not... That is why Tomo said what he said. It wasn't an obvious error but there's a reason why a top keeper in such moment could be the difference. They could be the difference in a final between two equally matched teams. Moreover, as I pointed out in the Tuchel thread, we have always switched to the #1 keeper in the domestic cup competition once we get to the latter stages and Tuchel did the same when he was at Dortmund and PSG but he stuck with Kepa for the FA Cup final. Why? Is it because it's Kepa and his price tag? Had Caballero been starting our cup run instead, would Tuchel have selected him for the final? Probably not going by history. Let's not also forget that Tuchel has randomly decided to start Kepa in league games just because he did well in the cup game prior to that. When is that ever normal? Usually you play your cup keeper in the cup game and then you go back to your #1 in the following league game etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted May 16, 2021 Author Share Posted May 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jype said: I for one am not fully blaming Kepa for the Leicester goal because it really was a great shot byTielemans but still I don't think it's too much to ask a keeper to produce saves from shots like that even occasionally? Sometimes a shot is too good that it goes in and there's nothing that can be done about it but with Kepa it's like you just need to hit the corner from distance and it goes in like literally all of the times due to his short reach (with a hint of bad positioning too?). It's bizarre that no one seems to notice that Kepa likes to skip/hop a little before attempting to make a save against a shot from distance. That split second action can easily be the difference between him making the save and not making it. I seem to remember The Athletic did a piece on analyzing this and among other things with Kepa... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,324 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 I absolutely find it ridiculous that people are analyzing Kepas game on pages over one world class shot while James who made mistake that lead to goal did not got a word. I mean, I also wont say a bad word about Reece but it clearly shows how fans have double standards. Lesser mistake from Alonso against WBA and he was crucified for so long from fans but also from manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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