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21 minutes ago, Jason said:

Convincing response from Lampard...

Glad someone in the press asked the question about Jorginho..

...was getting the impression that the folks at Cobham had forgotten that he is part of the squad

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Part of me desperately want to see the people suffer a meltdown over Jorginho had he gone to Man City and done well under Guardiola. Those same fellas who are criticizing now would be the same ones ba

I'm fuckin ashamed at peeps booing Jorgi. Call themselves supporters. Why the fuck does he get singled out when all the other cunts play shit useless too? Such selective memories of some! I'm gon

He’s made the most forward passes in the PL so this is rubbish. Open up your mind, expand your football knowledge. Learn the regista role and what it’s meant to do, it’s function in a team. 

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Yeah but we don't have anyone near that level in midfield to play in front of him. this would mean he can never play to his full potential for us.
Tbh i see more of jorginho in him, playing simple passes quickly between the lines and controlling the tempo. he has not really shown the vision and long range  passing ability of Pirlo.
He has top class creativity. He is without the doubt the most creative youth team player that I have ever seen at Chelsea. Boga was the best dribbler at Chelsea youth team, Ruben was the most physical and Billy the most creative.

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I know Frank said Jorginho in his plans but he has to feature a bit more prominently now to the seasons finished. Kante injured so higher % chance but who knows.

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"Jorginho is in my plans."

BS. Basically said that so he can quickly dismiss that question. The fact Gilmour got ahead of Jorginho tonight tells us something.

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I am not even a big Jorginho fan but what a boss. Stepped on that pitch like he owns it and just passed the ball around for fun. His passing is so clean, how we have missed that. Feeling much more confident about the run in as long as Lamps plays him again. Also no sign of rustiness at all no idea how he managed that.

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I am really, really curious about what has happened between Lampard and Jorginho. Whatever flaws Jorginho has, it is quite bizarre to see a manager who made him vice captain and praised him so much pre-pandemic to suddenly not playing him at all. 

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I am really, really curious about what has happened between Lampard and Jorginho. Whatever flaws Jorginho has, it is quite bizarre to see a manager who made him vice captain and praised him so much pre-pandemic to suddenly not playing him at all. 
Maybe he does not like his agent that talks every two weeks about Jorgi leaving to Juventus

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2 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Maybe he does not like his agent that talks every two weeks about Jorgi leaving to Juventus

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If Lampard isn't playing Jorginho because of that, then he needs slapping. Jorginho's agent has always been a talkative bastard anyway. 

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21 minutes ago, Jason said:

I am really, really curious about what has happened between Lampard and Jorginho. Whatever flaws Jorginho has, it is quite bizarre to see a manager who made him vice captain and praised him so much pre-pandemic to suddenly not playing him at all. 

I think it's mainly down to our attacking players being shite in front of the goal and Frank is trying to counter that by playing two 8's who can score regularly. Either way, it's madness.

Maurizio Sarri is far from being the only manager in the world who'd make Jorginho first name on the team sheet. Selling him would be a big mistake

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4 minutes ago, !Hazard! said:

I think it's mainly down to our attacking players being shite in front of the goal and Frank is trying to counter that by playing two 8's who can score regularly. Either way, it's madness.

Maurizio Sarri is far from being the only manager who'd make Jorginho first name on the team sheet

But it's still quite bizarre that he hadn't played a single minute since the restart until today. Gilmour will be a fine player for us in the future but he is still young and not playing great right now. Lampard talked about having experienced players being important in this run-in and yet Jorginho has been tossed aside completely for whatever reason.

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Has to be starting every game to the end of the season now please. If not something terribly wrong. Losing control in games is an issue and we all seen the difference he made tonight, always wanting the ball, always making space to receive it, always making the right pass. If FL didnt notice the difference tonight then he never will.

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I've been saying it. Plenty of people on this forum have been saying it.

The moment we lost Kante and Kovacic, we should have resorted to Jorginho to control the midfield. He finally plays in this match, probably 70 mins later than he should have.

4 hours ago, Jason said:

I am really, really curious about what has happened between Lampard and Jorginho. Whatever flaws Jorginho has, it is quite bizarre to see a manager who made him vice captain and praised him so much pre-pandemic to suddenly not playing him at all. 

Its bizarre.

Even if the intent is to move past Jorginho in the future, why would you sacrifice the game when it was obvious we were playing like a 10 man team with Gilmour in the middle of the park. He waited so long to introduce Joginho.

Embarrassing to concede 60% of the possession to Crystal Palace.

Gilmour has NOT looked the same since the restart. Its actually detrimental to keep playing him in this state, as his confidence will only plummet. His passing (even though the intent of his passes were good) were off the mark, and led to so many turnovers. Too lightweight and poor positioning in our defensive transitions, barely making interceptions.

Hope Jorginho starts the next game, especially if Kante and Kovacic are out longer. I would start him even if one those 2 were actually available.

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https://theathletic.com/1915926/2020/07/08/jorginho-chelsea-lampard-frank-gilmour-sarri/

According to The Athletic, Jorginho's agent will hold talks with the club about his future at the end of the season. Jorginho is settled in London but keeping an open mind about his future. A move to Juventus is not out of the question but nothing from them so far to suggest they are prepared to pay the money that Marina will demand for Jorginho, who still has 3 years left on his contract.

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[PRE-CRYSTAL PALACE]  Lampard on what he wants from the midfield...

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/2020/07/07/lampard--i-want-my-midfield-fluid

‘I do really take each game as it comes,’ he says.

‘Playing teams with low blocks that make it difficult for you, to be able to get players that arrive with real technical abilities high up the pitch and around the box, and find a pass or take someone out the game with skill and a finish, is big in those games.

‘If we feel like we are going to have a lot of control, generally I play with midfield players that can play high, can play on the side, and can do the defensive duties as well. Mason Mount really has that and his work off the ball is fantastic for us. If I feel like getting him higher up the pitch and put more pressure on the other team if they want to play out, that can help us off the ball.

‘Sometimes I will ask him to do a slightly different role with the ball where he comes deeper to make sure that he is not missing out on the ball, because he is a good player who needs to be on the ball deeper. He and Ross can perform in that kind of role.’

‘With Jorginho, I think he also can but his role predominantly in his career has been from a deeper position,’ he adds.

‘Jorginho has to do nothing different [to earn selection]. He trains well, he is good for the group on and off the pitch, he is vice-captain of the club.

‘It is purely my choice at the moment with what I see and the games in front of me and how I like the make-up of the midfield to be. Sometimes it can be affected by the other players that are in that midfield where I think we need more defensive attributes in the game. He doesn’t need to do anything, it is purely my choice.

‘So I have those good [selection] problems in the team. I like to work on the midfield so it is fluid as it possibly can be, so we give teams problems when we are playing well. In some performances recently, Watford being one, and Everton before lockdown, I saw a real fluid movement of the midfield which I really liked, so we have to continue working on that.’

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