OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 On 02/07/2020 at 2:23 PM, SUNZ said: I can't believe anybody with a functioning brain watched that game last night and thought: 'hmm, you know what? we could really use somebody who can't run, can't shoot, creates zero chances and can't defend in this game. he would really help!'. Its not that the physical side why people felt he should of been included. Regardless, are you saying as well he hasnt shown that he can read the game and make interceptions as well through positioning? He has done it in several games this season. If your able to read the game or see something you dont need to be a freak athlete either. Look at Busquets at Barca or Kroos at Madrid. There are countless others. Was Xavi a freak athlete? Was Pirlo? Was Scholes? Was Roy Keane? Is Rodri? Is Fernandinho? Is Fabinho? No but they are/were good at reading the game and could recover the ball. Regarding his inclusion: It was more about controlling the game when it got frantic. He has got composure others dont, always offers himself to take the ball and is also a lot better at moving the ball forward and faster in the role Kante played the other night. I mean would you rather watch Kante or Rudiger or Christensen try force those passes or play sideways or have Jorginho who keeps the ball moving quickly, has a more adventurous passing range to drive the team forward? West Ham had men behind the ball, you need to move it faster to move them around And having someone who can get it off the CBs do that than piss about getting the ball from the CBs to Kante to the fullbacks and eventually to Ross/Kovacic/Mason/Willian/Pulisic or whoever gives us a better chance of breaking them down surely? Or do you disagree? As bad as we were defensively your not going to tell me that we created several clear chances or got a lot of opportunities to isolate their players in 1v1s or find runners in behind are you? 73% possession resulted in 6 shots on target. We looked ordinarily predictable bar when Pulisic had the ball. Thesara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,337 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 And journalists still have not asked Frank about Jorgi? It is Giroud from August to February all over. Frank is going to be the last one to realize what needs to be done... But with Kova out and Kante playing 4 games in 10 days I hope we see him tomorrow. Thesara and 0007 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 On 02/07/2020 at 2:23 PM, SUNZ said: I can't believe anybody with a functioning brain watched that game last night and thought: 'hmm, you know what? we could really use somebody who can't run, can't shoot, creates zero chances and can't defend in this game. he would really help!'. Yeah because replacing him with a "traditional DM" has really tightened things up. Thesara and Blue Armour 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 It woked today. Kante broke up quite a few of their attacks and even did one of his dribbles that he used to be so good at. I Watford were so deep, Jorginho would not really have been much of an improvement but when Kante got subbed for the again ineffective Gilmour what is going on behind the scenes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Magic Lamps said: It woked today. Kante broke up quite a few of their attacks and even did one of his dribbles that he used to be so good at. I Watford were so deep, Jorginho would not really have been much of an improvement but when Kante got subbed for the again ineffective Gilmour what is going on behind the scenes But Watford were happy to stand off him (and our 2 CBs) and let him have the ball, which is somewhat telling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 It woked today. Kante broke up quite a few of their attacks and even did one of his dribbles that he used to be so good at. I Watford were so deep, Jorginho would not really have been much of an improvement but when Kante got subbed for the again ineffective Gilmour what is going on behind the scenes Billy needs guys like Mount next to him not Ruben and Barkley who will not win you any tackles. See Billy as Pirlo. Pirlo in his prime had world class Marchisio and Vidal covering his ass, so he could be the DLP. Without them, he would have been nothing Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Vesper and Tomo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Convincing response from Lampard... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermonkey92 1,428 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Billy needs guys like Mount next to him not Ruben and Barkley who will not win you any tackles. See Billy as Pirlo. Pirlo in his prime had world class Marchisio and Vidal covering his ass, so he could be the DLP. Without them, he would have been nothing Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Yes x1000. Gilmour doesn't seem athletic enough to play as dm in the PL. Its his passing that will helpSent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapkun 668 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 I'm surprised Frank decided to keep him in the first place, I thought he would be gone with Sarri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 15 minutes ago, killer1257 said: Billy needs guys like Mount next to him not Ruben and Barkley who will not win you any tackles. See Billy as Pirlo. Pirlo in his prime had world class Marchisio and Vidal covering his ass, so he could be the DLP. Without them, he would have been nothing Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Yeah but we don't have anyone near that level in midfield to play in front of him. this would mean he can never play to his full potential for us. Tbh i see more of jorginho in him, playing simple passes quickly between the lines and controlling the tempo. he has not really shown the vision and long range passing ability of Pirlo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,448 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 21 minutes ago, Jason said: Convincing response from Lampard... Glad someone in the press asked the question about Jorginho.. ...was getting the impression that the folks at Cobham had forgotten that he is part of the squad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,231 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 33 minutes ago, killer1257 said: world class Marchisio and Vidal covering his ass they were absolute monsters back in the day Blue Armour and killer1257 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Yeah but we don't have anyone near that level in midfield to play in front of him. this would mean he can never play to his full potential for us. Tbh i see more of jorginho in him, playing simple passes quickly between the lines and controlling the tempo. he has not really shown the vision and long range passing ability of Pirlo.He has top class creativity. He is without the doubt the most creative youth team player that I have ever seen at Chelsea. Boga was the best dribbler at Chelsea youth team, Ruben was the most physical and Billy the most creative. Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 they were absolute monsters back in the dayMarchisio was one of the most underrated players I have ever seen. Was a monster back then Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk OneMoSalah, Vesper, Blue Armour and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 I know Frank said Jorginho in his plans but he has to feature a bit more prominently now to the seasons finished. Kante injured so higher % chance but who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,231 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Jorginho is in Lamp's plans as in plans to sell his ass killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,146 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 He has to be going, Gilmour came on before him last night and he's not kicked a ball hardly since coming back. Please can we just sell him and use the cash elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,337 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Good to see my boy back. Frank cheated on that IQ test... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 I am not even a big Jorginho fan but what a boss. Stepped on that pitch like he owns it and just passed the ball around for fun. His passing is so clean, how we have missed that. Feeling much more confident about the run in as long as Lamps plays him again. Also no sign of rustiness at all no idea how he managed that. kc_blue, OneMoSalah and Atomiswave 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,146 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 It didn't need anything special from him to come on and make an impact. Gilmour was muck spreading from the word go again, he needs to be reset and start again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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