The Sarri Thread

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15 hours ago, Tomo said:

Since the start of a 20 team PL, 71 points has been enough for top 4 on 20 occasions out of 23 (we could make 74 points which would have been enough 22/23). It's easy to say we are here because of United and Arsenal bottling it, but i can flip it around and say we were only run close by them because both had a 3 month spell of title winning form.

Had we got top 4 with 59 points then yes we did get very fortunate and have other teams to thank for allowing it to happen, however we are on a very healthy total relative to a top 4 challenge and it's very unfair to say other teams are the only reason we're here.

Totally agree. We can mention our bad spell when we "bottled it", that period when we lost 6-0 to City and whatnot. Only difference is that their crisis is happening NOW, and not then.

All this talk is because of the last season when United obviously overachieved with this crop of players, aka Mourinho-effect happened, and Spurs were in great form... then, when it really looked like you need to get 76 points to be worthy CL place contender. In most of the seasons in last 10 years it was enough to get 71 points to finish in top4, like we did this season.

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48 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

His comments at today's press conference suggest he has his eyes on '2 or 3' players out on loan to come back in next season. 

Intrigued to know which players he has in mind and what roles in the squad he has them potentially ear-marked for. 

I'd be amazed if Baka and Morata are amongst those in his thoughts as he had some chance to work with both and bombed them both out when the first opportunity arose.

 aina maybe is one of them

if baka and morata will come back is because they have both failed while on loan 

 

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45 minutes ago, Mana said:

You are picking like 2-3 matches out of like 20+. Chelsea showed more lack of fight than they have.

No I've picked two examples, i can't be bothered to go through every game 1 by 1.

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1 hour ago, Tomo said:

No I've picked two examples, i can't be bothered to go through every game 1 by 1.

You might as well my man......you can count them on 1 hand. Simply too few and far between. But I will admit we did look rather good the first 10 games. Eventhough alarm bells were ringing thanks to how easy we were cut open by everybody.

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9 hours ago, Tomo said:

We also shown fight against City under Sarri twice out of three.

I'm not saying we are as good as Liverpool right now that would be lunacy, but the base of this squad have won two league titles under extreme pressure, an FA Cup, a league cup with a tough run got to another final with a tough run and may win a Europa. You don't gain that type of return lacking fight.

And we probably should have won against pool twice this season. 

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2 hours ago, Mana said:

"Probably". But we didn't. Liverpool showed fight, "never give up" attitude to get a point out of SB. Even though we had more possession, they were still toe-to-toe with us. Not once I felt comfortable with the 1-0 lead.

Anyway, this EL win is getting more and more important now. If these players have ANY fecking hunger, they'll go for it and win it.

And we will play Spuds or Liverpool in the Super Cup and do our business there of beating them.

That's it. No point nearly getting to the final they should want to be in the final and win the trophy. End on a high. 

Difference between us and Liverpool and Co is they've gone behind.. And won. We've majority of the time gone behind and drawn or lost. Not many games we've come back into it well. 

If we go into half time and fall apart again after I give up. 

 

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4 hours ago, Mana said:

"Probably". But we didn't. Liverpool showed fight, "never give up" attitude to get a point out of SB. Even though we had more possession, they were still toe-to-toe with us. Not once I felt comfortable with the 1-0 lead.

Anyway, this EL win is getting more and more important now. If these players have ANY fecking hunger, they'll go for it and win it.

And we will play Spuds or Liverpool in the Super Cup and do our business there of beating them.

They scored absolute worldies in each game. And the way this season has panned out, everything has gone their way whereas nothing went ours. Think we've hit the post how many times? A record?

You can't blame that on lack of fight. That's football. They are the finished product. We aren't. 

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1 minute ago, Mana said:

Scoring worldies and last minute goals are part of the "never give up" attitude. Have you seen Kompany's goal last Monday? City weren't going to die at the Etihad. They fought and fought for this title.

Why aren't we getting worldies? (except once a while from Hazard) I'll tell you why. Because we're pussies to try one. No confidence. No fight, passion to make sure we get those 3 points.

This is why the 2011/12 squad is IMO the better squad over these past years. Because while they were shit, they had 100% heart, 100% passion.

You've just answered your own question. 
 

 

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2 hours ago, Laylabelle said:

That's it. No point nearly getting to the final they should want to be in the final and win the trophy. End on a high. 

Difference between us and Liverpool and Co is they've gone behind.. And won. We've majority of the time gone behind and drawn or lost. Not many games we've come back into it well. 

If we go into half time and fall apart again after I give up. 

 

It comes from the manager.....we have seen it with us how many times now. Its his job to instill that mentality, its his job to make sure they eat grass. I literellay see no fight and passion from Sarri, nothing of it. He looks like a zombie out there....compare that with Conte, or pep klipp poch etc. The players need that on the field today. Sarri either looks on like a granny or is writing his shopping list on that piece of paper.

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9 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

It comes from the manager.....we have seen it with us how many times now. Its his job to instill that mentality, its his job to make sure they eat grass. I literellay see no fight and passion from Sarri, nothing of it. He looks like a zombie out there....compare that with Conte, or pep klipp poch etc. The players need that on the field today. Sarri either looks on like a granny or is writing his shopping list on that piece of paper.

Huh? He's almost been sent off to the stands literally every game for screaming at the officials 

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Just now, MoroccanBlue said:

Huh? He's almost been sent off to the stands literally every game for screaming at the officials 

You are exaggerating big time.....he is no where near as active as the ones I mentioned. The players take after their manager.

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3 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Huh? He's almost been sent off to the stands literally every game for screaming at the officials 

Needs to scream at the players instead. Definitely do a different half time talk! 

Dont think just down to him cause we had such characters before but these days when we go  1-0 down at half time you don't feel it'll change. Whereas before half time happen and all be go go go. Instead they come out worse these days 

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2 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

Needs to scream at the players instead. Definitely do a different half time talk! 

Dont think just down to him cause we had such characters before but these days when we go  1-0 down at half time you don't feel it'll change. Whereas before half time happen and all be go go go. Instead they come out worse these days 

Most def....yes we have some lazy bums in this team, but they can give more, do more, show more heart. We would never ever do what spurs did yesterday, we just dont have it in us.

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4 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Most def....yes we have some lazy bums in this team, but they can give more, do more, show more heart. We would never ever do what spurs did yesterday, we just dont have it in us.

That's it. Napoli that time when looked down and out and managed to win. Need performances like that again. 

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4 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

You are exaggerating big time.....he is no where near as active as the ones I mentioned. The players take after their manager.

 

4 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

Needs to scream at the players instead. Definitely do a different half time talk! 

Dont think just down to him cause we had such characters before but these days when we go  1-0 down at half time you don't feel it'll change. Whereas before half time happen and all be go go go. Instead they come out worse these days 

You two are a bit over the top  

You are making it seem that players only find motivation from having a manager that is animated on the touch line or is screaming at them. What about Ancelotti or Allegri?

These are professional footballers for goodness sake. If anything, they should be motivated seeing Sarri yelling at the ref for 90 minutes defending them. You are just finding excuses to the fact that our players simply aren't good enough. Conte is as animated as they come, yet we saw a total capitulation from the same players last season. 

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15 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

 

You two are a bit over the top  

You are making it seem that players only find motivation from having a manager that is animated on the touch line or is screaming at them. What about Ancelotti or Allegri?

These are professional footballers for goodness sake. If anything, they should be motivated seeing Sarri yelling at the ref for 90 minutes defending them. You are just finding excuses to the fact that our players simply aren't good enough. Conte is as animated as they come, yet we saw a total capitulation from the same players last season. 

Players of today are different to last decade. We all know his half time talk is pure shite, so instead go out there and show them you mean business, yell at them etc. Allegry does plenty, not to mention a far better manager. CA aint some benchmark to aspire. Why do the Sarri in people keep mentioning last season? Its was never our standard....plus we were good till Jan. The board fucked Conte and the rest is history.......and I much prefer lat season to this. Much more solid, more heart and passion.

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1 hour ago, Mana said:

his is why the 2011/12 squad is IMO the better squad over these past years. Because while they were shit, they had 100% heart, 100% passion.

The CL yes because they were desperate to get the trophy and a mix of fate and that got it. The league performances however were a disgrace all of that season and the year before and only 15 /16 (in the Roman era) was worse. 

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4 minutes ago, Mana said:

...and FA Cup.

The league performances THIS season have been a disgrace too.

I'm not talking about the year before, I'm talking about the 2011/12 squad.

Desperation = hunger/fight. Stop trying to make like it's bad. I WANT to see that desperation from this team. I want to see desperation to win a trophy. Desperation to make us become one of the most fearful clubs in Europe.

Not toothless performances like City 6-0.

I never said the CL run was bad, i was saying everything outside it (bar the last two FA cup games) were.

And as for City, i would say 1-3 at home to a McLeish plagued Villa, 0-3 vs Sunderland and 4-1 away to the worst Liverpool team in half a century (not to mention letting them win at The Bridge three times on the spin) was pound for pound worse.

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1 minute ago, Mana said:

I'm aware our league performance in that season was terribad. But they made up for it by winning the big prize (and the FA Cup).

Not to mention we had the dreadful AVB until March.

Point is, that season in the CL they showed hunger, the desire to win it. Where's the desire this season? Or the last? Yes, I'm aware we are in the semis of the EL but Frankfurt is our first decent team before that it was cruise control (well...almost). When the chips are down, has this current team ever risen up?

That Liverpool tie in the LC. That's the only one I can remember.

You realise we were lucky Barca and Bayern didn't thrash us then? Right? Was it our 'hunger and desire' that made Barca and Bayern miss all those chances? No. It was luck and it's something you need in football.