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3 minutes ago, Leif said:

I think, roughly, he's as good at dribbling as Moses is, as good at passing as Cahill is, and about as hard-working as Loftus-Cheek is.

From what I remember, he has the tackling ability of current Bakayoko, the same level of mental awareness (lack of quick-thinking).

Everton fans main gripe is that he's never been consistent in his life. Never played 3 good games in a row in his life. 

I think playing 5-10 solid (not exceptional) games with wondergoals, along with playing a hundred anonymous games, shows the level he is. At 24.

Elite.:dunce:

(We'd sign this level of player for £2.5m if we were shopping in Germany. But because we'd be shopping in Germany, there'd be none of this 'He's English' nonsense. So this level of player would instantly be sent out on loan, never to return.)

Well,... sounds like another Pato signing then, except he is younger and English.

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@Leif you made my day 

you said Salah is  nothing and now he is one of the best . 

Fucking logic of fucking Chelsea fan . 

Chelsea isn’t a good team because  their supporters  haven’t brain . 

 

Tell me one fucking cm. Better than Barkley who is available   World class and can he plays in UCL 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

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When I've watched him at Everton he is inconsistent, not just game to game but throughout a game itself but when i watch him i can't help but feel he's trying way to hard. Whether that is something to do with playing for his boyhood club I'm not sure but everton fans seem to get on his back far quicker than other players.

There are definite risks with the deal but i do feel for the price it's worth a punt to see if a new environment and new coaching methods, out of his comfort zone, etc kicks him on. 

Plenty of examples of players failing and succeeding to step up to that top level and you simply don't know until they are given the opportunity.

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36 minutes ago, Dimitr said:

Tell me one only one other target.  Who is better than Barkley  and can play for ucl . 

Well how do we define a target? Just anyone the papers have linked us to? Or people we've been linked with before Conte came? I don't think we've really been linked with anyone solidly in midfield. But I can list midfielders who aren't cup-tied, or are but still worth it, who actually have the potential to improve the team noticeably.

Torreira (everyone wanted Verratti, why the hell wouldn't you want him?)
Milinkovic-Savic (the perfect player) (cup-tied, yet worth signing ASAP. if we need a CM now, bring back Van Ginkel, Loftus-Cheek, etc until Savic is here and ready.)
Illarramendi (the ideal stop-gap; actually good enough to provide for us today, yet cheap enough and shoddy-of-a-history-enough to ensure little-to-no financial loss should he not provide what we want.)
Benat (same as above, less ideal player but certainly a brilliant playmaker)
Seri (same cup-tied scenario as Savic, similar player to Verratti like Torreira is; would be taken by Barcelona, Bayern, Madrid, United, everyone.)

Half of them are good enough to lead us upwards in climbing the ladder we've slipped from & unlock the potential of attacking players around them further. And that's not the level Barkley's on. 

Considering Barkley's hardly better than a handful of our youngsters, why buy him now, instead of wait for an actually great player? Is there a fetish on here for signing genuinely mediocre players, so they can transcend logic and become world-beaters? 
I'd re-call someone like Van Ginkel or RLC if we must have a central midfielder now!!!!!:middlefinger: & then find a square peg to fit our square hole in the summer, instead of force this nobody on ourselves. Take away his English nationality and he's nothing in footballing terms. Battling to be as good as Meireles.

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25 minutes ago, Dimitr said:

@Leif you made my day 

you said Salah is  nothing and now he is one of the best . 

Fucking logic of fucking Chelsea fan . 

Chelsea isn’t a good team because  their supporters  haven’t brain . 

 

Tell me one fucking cm. Better than Barkley who is available   World class and can he plays in UCL 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

No. I said, somewhere, we were correct to sell Salah in the environment we were in back then, and that still today, Salah would stunt us going forward from having a fully fluid, consistent team at the top level. He is not one of the best - his form is a level or 2 behind that. He's statistically productive; a lot more-so than when with us too, due to Roma's nurturing. 

Why do i need to provide world class players when you're providing Barkley? Shouldn't i be providing like-for-like players? 

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@Leif

I've been in this forum for almost 6 years now. I truly have never seen any positivity come out of you and it's quite amazing how much of a buzz killer you can be. I'm in no way implying that you are incorrect about Barkley, but goodness me, you have quite the talent in dragging spirits to the mud!

It's not the end of the world, it's just a signing.

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6 minutes ago, Azpinator said:

@Leif

I've been in this forum for almost 6 years now. I truly have never seen any positivity come out of you and it's quite amazing how much of a buzz killer you can be. I'm in no way implying that you are incorrect about Barkley, but goodness me, you have quite the talent in dragging spirits to the mud!

It's not the end of the world, it's just a signing.

I'm not dragging spirits in the mud if, as you could be implying, there's a chance I'm right about Barkley. Surely that would just be reporting things as they are?

Often, it's about seeing only one-sided views being posted; and someone needs to inject an opposing one to make people think, especially if that person (me in this scenario) is genuinely 'on that other side' not being reported. If that's a buzz-kill to anyone, they need to grow their mind.

I wouldn't exactly call you Mr Positive either. Or Mr Negative. If you say I lack positivity, I say you lack the full-bodied nature which makes us human:lol:.

'It's just a signing'. Right. And we just won the Champions League; its just a playful competition, it wasn't a big deal, right.:lol: (If what we do today is not a big deal, what we did then wasn't.)
Get involved with the drama. If you dislike passion or views which clash from yours, my god football is not your sport. And if those critical views are 'negative', that's a really, really short-sighted way of seeing things.

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Its 15m. This is nothing today. 

If it doesnt work, we can easily add another midfilder of high quality and ship Barkley on loan and sell him for profit.

I hope we dont hinder RLC chances though, I think he deserves a shot. But even so, I think RLC should be out on loan playing regulary next two years, so we can get something from Barkley. 

If it works great, we get cheap english player, if not he will be bench player. 

Bottom line we can sign another Vidal/Seri/Savic anytime if we want. 

If Barkley cost 30-40m that would be concern though. Then we have rather expensive midfielder and we cant just sign another one if it doesnt work.

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12 minutes ago, Leif said:

No. I said we were correct to sell Salah in the environment we were in back then, and that still today, Salah would stunt us going forward from having a fully fluid, consistent team at the top level. He is not one of the best - his form is a level or 2 behind that. He's statistically productive; a lot more-so than when with us, too, due to Roma's nurturing. 

Why do i need to provide world class players when you're providing Barkley? Shouldn't i be providing like-for-like players? 

I can’t understand why you don’t like this signing.ok he is not world class  but we can buy a world class in January?? Not 

 

if we can buy. A world class player this month why we must sign him ? We will not hunt man city ,probably we end up in second place  and might win fa cup etc .

 Why we must buy Lemar in this window. ??  We are already dead in the hunt of man city . Next year again. 

Barkley and mahrez can play in ucl so I hope to buy them . 

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Investing in Milinkovic-Savic or Atletico's Saul pursuit and waiting until the summer if needed would be better, yes. That's what the top club will do.

Now we only need some players not to get embarrassed in UCL, nothing more. Top 3 is ours, this way or another.

But... I guess we got used to signings like this, and bringing Barkley for 15m is better than bringing Bakayoko.

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2 minutes ago, Leif said:

I'm not dragging spirits in the mud if, as you could be implying, there's a chance I'm right about Barkley. Surely that would just be reporting things as they are?

Often, it's about seeing only one-sided views being posted; and someone needs to inject an opposing one to make people think, especially if that person (me in this scenario) is genuinely 'on that other side' not being reported. If that's a buzz-kill to anyone, they need to grow their mind.

I wouldn't exactly call you Mr Positive either. Or Mr Negative. If you say I lack positivity, I say you lack the full-bodied nature which makes us human:lol:.

I appreciate a good argument, but it feels like you always have the desire to inject that opposing view on purpose. This is just my experience.

Nothing but love, mate. 

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3 minutes ago, Azpinator said:

I appreciate a good argument, but it feels like you always have the desire to inject that opposing view on purpose. This is just my experience.

Nothing but love, mate. 

Well, it's not on purpose. It just is. There are views to be pointed out about players, good and bad. It seems many would rather celebrate every signing without ever critically analysing. I understand if so, it makes things more 'fun', but that's not going to hold up when it comes to debate, which is generally what forums are for, and what great conversations are made of. 

But of course. Dear love for my dear mate :wub:

 

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21 minutes ago, Leif said:

Well how do we define a target? Just anyone the papers have linked us to? Or people we've been linked with before Conte came? I don't think we've really been linked with anyone solidly in midfield. But I can list midfielders who aren't cup-tied, or are but still worth it, who actually have the potential to improve the team noticeably.

Torreira (everyone wanted Verratti, why the hell wouldn't you want him?)
Milinkovic-Savic (the perfect player) (cup-tied, yet worth signing ASAP. if we need a CM now, bring back Van Ginkel, Loftus-Cheek, etc until Savic is here and ready.)
Illarramendi (the ideal stop-gap; actually good enough to provide for us today, yet cheap enough and shoddy-of-a-history-enough to ensure little-to-no financial loss should he not provide what we want.)
Benat (same as above, less ideal player but certainly a brilliant playmaker)
Seri (same cup-tied scenario as Savic, similar player to Verratti like Torreira is; would be taken by Barcelona, Bayern, Madrid, United, everyone.)

Half of them are good enough to lead us upwards in climbing the ladder we've slipped from & unlock the potential of attacking players around them further. And that's not the level Barkley's on. 

Considering Barkley's hardly better than a handful of our youngsters, why buy him now, instead of wait for an actually great player? Is there a fetish on here for signing genuinely mediocre players, so they can transcend logic and become world-beaters? 
I'd re-call someone like Van Ginkel or RLC if we must have a central midfielder now!!!!!:middlefinger: & then find a square peg to fit our square hole in the summer, instead of force this nobody on ourselves. Take away his English nationality and he's nothing in footballing terms. Battling to be as good as Meireles.

Illaramenti??? Hahahah if he was good  he   Would have been playing until now. With real . 

 

Seri is a good  player but  in the same situation with Barkley not  an end product. And he is a Barca fan . And nice don’t want to sell him now .

 

do you rate higher van ginkel than Barkley?? Hahaha.   

 

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5 minutes ago, Azpinator said:

I appreciate a good argument, but it feels like you always have the desire to inject that opposing view on purpose. This is just my experience.

Nothing but love, mate. 

He is doing that maybe in a more blatant way because most of fans are like "ahh, it's ok, better this than nothing, not bad..."

We are club which is failing in the TM year after year, and of course in player quality of our team. Big club like Chelsea cannot afford transfers like this on regular basis, but that's exactly what's happening.

So, I am glad we have someone like @Leif

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