BlueLyon 9,359 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 4 minutes ago, Leif said: Theorising that Bakayoko will come good, while disregarding who he is now, is no different from me saying 'Hazard will come bad! Just wait!', and completely ignoring, not even once stating, that he's been absolutely great for us consistently. It'd be madness. If Bakayoko was signed on a free and put in these performances there wouldn't be half the people defending him. There'd be shouts of 'Why didn't we spend some fucking money? Stingy board'. The truth would be far more apparent - that he's simply not good enough. But because he cost money, there's none of that 'get rid of him right away!' instinct - the lack of instinct which kept Bosingwa, Mikel, Oscar, and others here far too long. No player with genuine potential splits a fanbase in half regarding him. No player with genuine potential gets laughed at by opposing fans. No player with genuine potential is this dire at the basics. Mate, Kondogbia was dogshit for two years and he is ripping laliga apart this season. Maybe its a fluke, but what realy matters from then on, is mentality. And Bakayoko is certainly a lad with good mentality, thats why I think he can become very good. Sure he wont be doing rabonas and 60m passes, but he can become very allround midfield powerhouse. Another example, Dembele was on exit doors after rather shit games for spurs, but Pochettino made him extra good player. If people werent as short sighted... Bakayoko doesnt have that excelent ball control, but he has the size, dynamics, tackling and very good dribbling. Doesnt show it in chelsea yet, but its early stages. Put all that together with some improvement and you get one hell of a midfielder. Strike and Fulham Broadway 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Good wine gets better with time. Sub-par wine does not. lucio 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Must admit I was excited with his arrival, but what I've seen so far has been underwhelming. I don't watch French football, so my knowledge of him was based on youtube videos and on what other people had been saying, plus two or three full Monaco games. Didn't have an educated opinion of him then, have a bit now and I must say he hasn't been what I thought he would be. He does simple short passes and looks lost positionally half the time, not to mention squeaky techinque and passing. Where are those marauding runs we were promised? His physique would allow him to dominate everybody, but he doesn't. Okay, he puts his body across and wins the ball sometimes, but it really is not something Chalobah or RLC couldn't have offered + more. From his recent performances a BIG improvement is needed to be considered of adequate quality for this club. DDA and Blusan Alamb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,941 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 On 26/11/2017 at 9:43 PM, manpe said: Must admit I was excited with his arrival, but what I've seen so far has been underwhelming. I don't watch French football, so my knowledge of him was based on youtube videos and on what other people had been saying, plus two or three full Monaco games. Didn't have an educated opinion of him then, have a bit now and I must say he hasn't been what I thought he would be. He does simple short passes and looks lost positionally half the time, not to mention squeaky techinque and passing. Where are those marauding runs we were promised? His physique would allow him to dominate everybody, but he doesn't. Okay, he puts his body across and wins the ball sometimes, but it really is not something Chalobah or RLC couldn't have offered + more. From his recent performances a BIG improvement is needed to be considered of adequate quality for this club. What is crazy is that the guy is dubbed a starter for us whereas the likes of RLC and Boga are shipped out on loan. Don't even get me started on Chalobah. Who the fuck makes these decisions?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 6 hours ago, DDA said: What is crazy is that the guy is dubbed a starter for us whereas the likes of RLC and Boga are shipped out on loan. Don't even get me started on Chalobah. Who the fuck makes these decisions?? Baka's clearly better and at a more advanced stage in his career than all 3, lets not get into romantic youth mode here.Ruben has potential to be a good player if he keeps up his current form, but if he does make it here his role will be totally different to Baka's. The other two im yet to see what the big fuss is about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 Conte explains Tiemoue Bakayoko’s horror display against Liverpool  http://metro.co.uk/2017/11/28/antonio-conte-explains-tiemoue-bakayokos-horror-display-against-liverpool-7115743/?ito=cbshare Fulham Broadway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,315 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 31 minutes ago, the wes said: Conte explains Tiemoue Bakayoko’s horror display against Liverpool  http://metro.co.uk/2017/11/28/antonio-conte-explains-tiemoue-bakayokos-horror-display-against-liverpool-7115743/?ito=cbshare Its true cant knock his commitment, and Kompany at Citeh was a buffoon for a while, but at a top club you are given a very short window to show your stuff before being shown the door the wes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said: but at a top club you are given a very short window to show your stuff before being shown the door Not here. Think Torres, Mikel, Kalou, Oscar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,315 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 minute ago, manpe said: Not here. Think Torres, Mikel, Kalou, Oscar. Mikel was a good ! I liked Kalou -but Oscar was more miss than hit and Torres well yeah give you that one = seemed an Abramovich signing like Shevchenko Beigl and Amblève. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said: Its true cant knock his commitment, and Kompany at Citeh was a buffoon for a while,  So was vidic aswell mate he was awful at started off his utd career nyikolajevics and Fulham Broadway 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 15 minutes ago, manpe said: Not here. Think Torres, Mikel, Kalou, Oscar. What about Cuadrado Salah KDB they were never giving time to settle ?? maybe cause Mourinho was manager Fulham Broadway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 21 minutes ago, the wes said: So was vidic aswell mate he was awful at started off his utd career Evra too the wes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufassir08 2,400 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 46 minutes ago, BlueLyon said: Evra too De Gea was the joke of the season in his first year. the wes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,315 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 So what we saying then - give Baka more time ? the wes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 43 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said: So what we saying then - give Baka more time ? yes I would with Conte being an ex midfielder I'm sure Conte can teach Baka into better midfielder  Fulham Broadway and mccg 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,315 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 minute ago, the wes said: yes I would with Conte being an ex midfielder I'm sure Conte can teach Baka into better midfielder  Yeah agree -cant fault his energy and commitment - also reminds a bit of Luiz when he arrived, loads of headless charging about, yet becoming so much more tactically aware later on the wes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,941 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 10 hours ago, the wes said: yes I would with Conte being an ex midfielder I'm sure Conte can teach Baka into better midfielder  Well can he start right now because he needs it badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted November 29, 2017 Author Share Posted November 29, 2017 even makelele said Baka needs time  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 On 26/11/2017 at 9:43 PM, manpe said: His physique would allow him to dominate everybody, but he doesn't. I think two things. He still needs to get used to the pace of the league (like Alvaro in some aspects) and the injury and no pre season this summer has softened his physique. He looked much bigger/athletic at Monaco. kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 On 28/11/2017 at 2:54 PM, the wes said: Conte explains Tiemoue Bakayoko’s horror display against Liverpool  http://metro.co.uk/2017/11/28/antonio-conte-explains-tiemoue-bakayokos-horror-display-against-liverpool-7115743/?ito=cbshare I’m glad Conte is keeping it rational with Baka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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