N'Golo Kante

[King Kante 1,474]

2 hours ago, Vesper said:

not selling a 30yo (turned 30 August 9th) Willian for £65m in summer 2018 was a crazy stupid move

I will never give up saying that

now we get nothing for him just 2 years later

some people act like he is a football god

smdh

3 league goals that year

5 this year

226 EPL league games total 33 goals

if Pulisic averages 4 or 5 league goals over his first 4 or 5 years here do you think people will say he was a success?

Willian fanboys and fangirls find it to be acceptable

a player we sold for ONE FIFTH the price of that £65m scored the same amount of league goals basically in one season as Willian scored in his CAREER here

Not ever been 100% convinced that we did get a £65m bid. That said, any offer of over £40m for him should have been accepted as like you say he is too inefficient in the final third and considering he takes a lot of our set pieces it is quite frankly shocking. That said, the recruitment betwenn 2016-18 was hardly stellar. So, if we did sell him we may have been lumbered with a Sanchez or something which would've been even worse. 

[Vesper 28,774]

51 minutes ago, King Kante said:

Not ever been 100% convinced that we did get a £65m bid. That said, any offer of over £40m for him should have been accepted as like you say he is too inefficient in the final third and considering he takes a lot of our set pieces it is quite frankly shocking. That said, the recruitment betwenn 2016-18 was hardly stellar. So, if we did sell him we may have been lumbered with a Sanchez or something which would've been even worse. 

we did get the offer, I and many others have proved this beyond a shadow of a doubt with a myriad number of posts over the past almost 2 years

it is not my problem that people chose to ignore the myriad numbers of posts and engage in false positing

even the 2nd offer of £55m should have been taken, but to turn down £65m was just pure ineptitude

the £65m offer came right around July 21st, 2018, when we were in Perth Australia to play the Glory (we won nil 1 on July 23rd)

 

this is from the site where Matt Law is the Football Editor and Darren Plant the Sr Football writer (both of whom are extremely reputable)

Chelsea 'rejected £65m Willian bid'

https://ws.sportsmole.co.uk/football/chelsea/transfer-talk/news/chelsea-rejected-gbp65m-willian-bid_335931.html

Chelsea reportedly decided to turn down an offer in the region of £65m for Willian during the summer transfer window.
Willian grew frustrated at the Premier League outfit with Antonio Conte in charge of the Blues, and the playmaker has previously acknowledged that he may have looked to leave the club had the Italian remained in the dugout.

The 30-year-old is currently flourishing under new head coach Maurizio Sarri, but according to the Daily Star, the Brazilian was the subject of strong interest from Barcelona before the start of the new campaign.

The report claims that the Catalan giants made an offer of £65m, only for Chelsea to choose to reject the bid in favour of keeping Willian at Stamford Bridge.

The player has maintained that he is happy in West London, with less than two years remaining on his contract

 

 

more

Simon Johnson of the Athletic (and the Standard)

Sky sports refers to it too, and confirms the previous bid of around £55m the previous week or so before

Jordi Gil (one of the top Barca journos in Spain)
  

Jordi Gil @jordigil
Editor of the Barça section

Jordi Gil
Jordi Gil Tarrés (Sabadell, 1975), graduated in Journalism at the UAB. SPORT editor since 1996, where he spent nine years in the National Football section, passing in 2005 to the Barça section. He covered the 2010 and 2014 World Cups, the 2012 European Championship and the 2009 and 2013 Confederations Cups. He wrote 'Discovering Cesc Fàbregas: 35 looks' (2012) and co-author of' Andrés Iniesta, 8 Grandes Historias' (2012) and ' The cracks of La Masia '(2011).

also refers to it here

https://www.sport.es/en/news/barca/barcelona-meet-with-willians-representatives-to-work-out-a-deal-6956143

 

this is the last time I am posting on this

other than if I chose to refer to turn-down in any future post

I am far from the only one who posted on this as well

it really gets tiresome having to go back and rehash old, long done shite

 

[King Kante 1,474]

2 hours ago, Vesper said:

we did get the offer, I and many others have proved this beyond a shadow of a doubt with a myriad number of posts over the past almost 2 years

it is not my problem that people chose to ignore the myriad numbers of posts and engage in false positing

even the 2nd offer of £55m should have been taken, but to turn down £65m was just pure ineptitude

the £65m offer came right around July 21st, 2018, when we were in Perth Australia to play the Glory (we won nil 1 on July 23rd)

 

this is from the site where Matt Law is the Football Editor and Darren Plant the Sr Football writer (both of whom are extremely reputable)

Chelsea 'rejected £65m Willian bid'

https://ws.sportsmole.co.uk/football/chelsea/transfer-talk/news/chelsea-rejected-gbp65m-willian-bid_335931.html

Chelsea reportedly decided to turn down an offer in the region of £65m for Willian during the summer transfer window.
Willian grew frustrated at the Premier League outfit with Antonio Conte in charge of the Blues, and the playmaker has previously acknowledged that he may have looked to leave the club had the Italian remained in the dugout.

The 30-year-old is currently flourishing under new head coach Maurizio Sarri, but according to the Daily Star, the Brazilian was the subject of strong interest from Barcelona before the start of the new campaign.

The report claims that the Catalan giants made an offer of £65m, only for Chelsea to choose to reject the bid in favour of keeping Willian at Stamford Bridge.

The player has maintained that he is happy in West London, with less than two years remaining on his contract

 

 

more

Simon Johnson of the Athletic (and the Standard)

Sky sports refers to it too, and confirms the previous bid of around £55m the previous week or so before

Jordi Gil (one of the top Barca journos in Spain)
  

Jordi Gil @jordigil
Editor of the Barça section

Jordi Gil
Jordi Gil Tarrés (Sabadell, 1975), graduated in Journalism at the UAB. SPORT editor since 1996, where he spent nine years in the National Football section, passing in 2005 to the Barça section. He covered the 2010 and 2014 World Cups, the 2012 European Championship and the 2009 and 2013 Confederations Cups. He wrote 'Discovering Cesc Fàbregas: 35 looks' (2012) and co-author of' Andrés Iniesta, 8 Grandes Historias' (2012) and ' The cracks of La Masia '(2011).

also refers to it here

https://www.sport.es/en/news/barca/barcelona-meet-with-willians-representatives-to-work-out-a-deal-6956143

 

this is the last time I am posting on this

other than if I chose to refer to turn-down in any future post

I am far from the only one who posted on this as well

it really gets tiresome having to go back and rehash old, long done shite

 

There is no need to quote all of those articles again. I am well aware of them, however I give them very little credence. My problem with reading any transfer story on us is that it has been proven time and again that the club give the jorno's very little to go on. An example of this is Werner, where up until the day the deal was agreed between the club and player, everyone was saying he was off to the Dippers. No one had a clue until it was done. 

Therefore, when I read articles on us signing/selling x, y, z I tend not to believe them unless their is something 100% concrete. As for this particular story I do believe that there was interest, however I am unsure Barca actually went as high as £65m as none of the articles are from reliable papers and the sources highlighted have been proven to either have little knowledge of what is going on, or no idea of what is going on (including Law who I think gets classed as very little.)

This is also why I am slightly relaxed about all the Chilwell noise as the way I see it, whilst the press is saying he is our no.1 target it is just as likely we are working on a deal for someone else. 

[Vesper 28,774]

1 minute ago, King Kante said:

There is no need to quote all of those articles again. I am well aware of them, however I give them very little credence. My problem with reading any transfer story on us is that it has been proven time and again that the club give the jorno's very little to go on. An example of this is Werner, where up until the day the deal was agreed between the club and player, everyone was saying he was off to the Dippers. No one had a clue until it was done. 

Therefore, when I read articles on us signing/selling x, y, z I tend not to believe them unless their is something 100% concrete. As for this particular story I do believe that there was interest, however I am unsure Barca actually went as high as £65m as none of the articles are from reliable papers and the sources highlighted have been proven to either have little knowledge of what is going on, or no idea of what is going on (including Law who I think gets classed as very little.)

This is also why I am slightly relaxed about all the Chilwell noise as the way I see it, whilst the press is saying he is our no.1 target it is just as likely we are working on a deal for someone else. 

those are amongst the most reputable, no nonsense journos who cover Chels, Barca and transfers

people are free to want to think it all never happened

that every single Chels attempted move was fashioned out of whole cloth (like Alex Sandro attempts over multiple windows) all of it was all just made up shite,

that we never turned down a decent offer before, since Roman bought the team

that the board has a spotless record.

that we not only never lost any money on poor deals, non deals, poor buys, poor contractual management, but that we always buy low, sell high, and that our scouting department never makes mistakes

that the only reason we lost almost £100m fiscal year 2018-19 was because punters didn't buy enough David Luiz inflatable bath toys (even on 50% off sale prices)

I chose to live in reality as I see it

[King Kante 1,474]

28 minutes ago, Vesper said:

those are amongst the most reputable, no nonsense journos who cover Chels, Barca and transfers

people are free to want to think it all never happened

that every single Chels attempted move was fashioned out of whole cloth (like Alex Sandro attempts over multiple windows) all of it was all just made up shite,

that we never turned down a decent offer before, since Roman bought the team

that the board has a spotless record.

that we not only never lost any money on poor deals, non deals, poor buys, poor contractual management, but that we always buy low, sell high, and that our scouting department never makes mistakes

that the only reason we lost almost £100m fiscal year 2018-19 was because punters didn't buy enough David Luiz inflatable bath toys (even on 50% off sale prices)

I chose to live in reality as I see it

The thing is those jorno's have been shown to also be very unreliable so I cannot actually believe what they say. In fact, I would say that the term 'a broken clock is right twice a day' is quite an apt expression to describe their reliability. 

Further, to make this clear, I am not having a pop at you or anything but rather trying to say that you should try not to get worked up about such stuff as it is just here'say. When you discuss signing/transfer that have been made and/or we get direct quotes from players to support certain positions, I have a lot of sympathy for your view points as we know they have happened. However, when it comes to proposed transfers where we only have the press to relie on we also know that 99% of stuff is BS so for that reason everything that is written should be taken with a moutain of salt. 

[NikkiCFC 7,942]

18 hours ago, King Kante said:

When you discuss signing/transfer that have been made and/or we get direct quotes from players to support certain positions, I have a lot of sympathy for your view points as we know they have happened. 

Chelsea transfer news: Willian confirms Barcelona rumours

He said: “The only real official offer I had came from Barcelona, last year, after the World Cup.

“Barcelona indeed presented an offer to Chelsea but it was rejected.

“That was the only actual time I had to discuss something like this with my family, although we really love it here (London). So there were several factors that helped us in staying.”

https://www.squawka.com/en/willian-transfer-barcelona-rumours-chelsea/

 

Wrong case to use your narrative.

But in general I agree with you completely. 99% on stories are BS! I think a lot of us have a lot of experience following transfer news to know who is reliable and who is not.

This is why I never believed that Real offered us 45m for Alonso, that any club in the world ever offered us more than 30m for Michy or Bakayoko. I mean Milan and Monaco both decided not to use option to buy for Baka.

David Luiz going to PSG for the second time is another total BS story.

But Willian to Barca is different. Some really reliable sources reported this and it is confirmed by Willian himself.

Barca was indeed looking for a winger. They signed Malcom after Willian deal collapsed. Did they really offered 65m? I do not know. But at the time even if we sold him we would buy Malcom or Lozano for that money so it is not like we would use that money wisely.

I do not need to say that I never liked Willian and that I would sell him for 30m every summer last 5 years.

[communicate 2,703]

11 hours ago, Vesper said:

not selling a 30yo (turned 30 August 9th) Willian for £65m in summer 2018 was a crazy stupid move

I will never give up saying that

now we get nothing for him just 2 years later

some people act like he is a football god

smdh

3 league goals that year

5 this year

226 EPL league games total 33 goals

if Pulisic averages 4 or 5 league goals over his first 4 or 5 years here do you think people will say he was a success?

Willian fanboys and fangirls find it to be acceptable

a player we sold for ONE FIFTH the price of that £65m scored the same amount of league goals basically in one season as Willian scored in his CAREER here

Not really I have defended Willian, but i have never avoid the fact that his contribution in final 3rd is very2 poor. In fact, i frequently criticized him for it. 

The important question is what Chelsea wanttheir RW to do across from Hazard and who can provide those need (within the squad or by transfer). 

You know many2 player more than me, so you can give better answer on the 2nd question. But Pulisic doesn’t fit the criteria of our RW need. 

 

 

[Vesper 28,774]

1 hour ago, communicate said:

Not really I have defended Willian, but i have never avoid the fact that his contribution in final 3rd is very2 poor. In fact, i frequently criticized him for it. 

The important question is what Chelsea wanttheir RW to do across from Hazard and who can provide those need (within the squad or by transfer). 

You know many2 player more than me, so you can give better answer on the 2nd question. But Pulisic doesn’t fit the criteria of our RW need. 

 

 

in 2018, the summer

Federico Chiesa  (was my first RW choice when I joined the board 2 and a half years ago, and I came in then saying sell Willian)

or

I would have went for a high quality left footed player for RW

Mikel Oyarzabal    

Pablo Sarabia

Ziyech (ironically)

Leon Bailey (has rebounded nicely since he came back from injury, I still rate him and he has ditched some of his trouble-making yardie posse)

Suso (coming off a 20 goals-produced season for a shit AC Milan team back then)

Pepe was much.much much cheaper then too (pre breakout year but still was coming off a good 14 goal campaign)

and, tbf as a backup left-footer I did mention (when I joined) Domenico Berardi, who we could have had for pennies and certainly would have been a bit more creative (not that I think he was starting material, just a player I liked on the cheap who had multiple great games I saw, and has averaged (over a 40 game all comps season, 14, or so goals a year and 9 assists per year for 8 years on shit Sassuolo teams and is still now only 25 years of age), 

I think most of those are decent, and most would have certainly produced more goals overall than Willian, and certainly none would have cost £65m

but its all water under the dam

the damage is done money wise

IF we add no more wingers/forwards (ie Havertz or anyone else) then I hate to say it, but we really should renew Willian (2 years, take it or leave it) as we have only 2 pure wingers, both injury prone, plus Ziyech

RLC at winger is a joke (Sarri can go fuck off)

if we are reduced to using him as a winger and then Azpi at LB, plus no CB adds at all

we are in deep shit, dont care about Werner or Ziyech, as our defence is jacked up, especially if we get slammed with injuries again, and Azpi at LB KILLS out left side attack

and RLC, if he is forced to play RW or (god forbid) LW ,is also meh out wide, especially if it is him and Azpi on the left

we are still a very complicated team

I do not envy Lampard at all

Havertz for me is Tammy insurance plus a lot more

but I really worry about the defence more, and injuries

its great and all that Frank loves the 4 main CB's we have, but ffs, they do not play well enough, all have big flaws (as well as strengths) and too often the flaws burn us

maybe he really is a genius and he gets all 4 up to superb level and I look a fool

lets all hope so

like I said (and have been saying all season) we are probably the hardest team to sort out that also has potentially INSANE talent that the others do not, especially on the EPL, plus we are carrying a CRAZY amount of dregs under contract. That shit is fucking us up and has been for ages now. I am SO sick of hearing the names

Álvaro Morata (Done Soon thank fuck)
Mario Pasalic (Done Soon)
Tiemoué Bakayoko  
Emerson
Ross Barkley
Michy Batshuayi
Davide Zappacosta
Danny Drinkwater  
Abdul Rahman Baba
Victor Moses    
Kenedy   
Marco van Ginkel
Juan Familia-Castillo (Done Soon probably as Ajax have an option to buy)
Nathan   
Charly Musonda Jr.    
Danilo Pantic  
Matt Miazga    
Lewis Baker   
Jamal Blackman
Lucas Piazón 
Jake Clarke-Salter
Izzy Brown
Josh Grant    
Richard Nartey
Luke McCormick    
Jacob Maddox  

get them off the fucking books

most are utter dogshit 

NIGHTMARE

[communicate 2,703]

4 hours ago, Vesper said:

in 2018, the summer

Federico Chiesa  (was my first RW choice when I joined the board 2 and a half years ago, and I came in then saying sell Willian)

or

I would have went for a high quality left footed player for RW

Mikel Oyarzabal    

Pablo Sarabia

Ziyech (ironically)

Leon Bailey (has rebounded nicely since he came back from injury, I still rate him and he has ditched some of his trouble-making yardie posse)

Suso (coming off a 20 goals-produced season for a shit AC Milan team back then)

Pepe was much.much much cheaper then too (pre breakout year but still was coming off a good 14 goal campaign)

and, tbf as a backup left-footer I did mention (when I joined) Domenico Berardi, who we could have had for pennies and certainly would have been a bit more creative (not that I think he was starting material, just a player I liked on the cheap who had multiple great games I saw, and has averaged (over a 40 game all comps season, 14, or so goals a year and 9 assists per year for 8 years on shit Sassuolo teams and is still now only 25 years of age), 

I think most of those are decent, and most would have certainly produced more goals overall than Willian, and certainly none would have cost £65m

but its all water under the dam

the damage is done money wise

IF we add no more wingers/forwards (ie Havertz or anyone else) then I hate to say it, but we really should renew Willian (2 years, take it or leave it) as we have only 2 pure wingers, both injury prone, plus Ziyech

RLC at winger is a joke (Sarri can go fuck off)

if we are reduced to using him as a winger and then Azpi at LB, plus no CB adds at all

we are in deep shit, dont care about Werner or Ziyech, as our defence is jacked up, especially if we get slammed with injuries again, and Azpi at LB KILLS out left side attack

and RLC, if he is forced to play RW or (god forbid) LW ,is also meh out wide, especially if it is him and Azpi on the left

we are still a very complicated team

I do not envy Lampard at all

Havertz for me is Tammy insurance plus a lot more

but I really worry about the defence more, and injuries

its great and all that Frank loves the 4 main CB's we have, but ffs, they do not play well enough, all have big flaws (as well as strengths) and too often the flaws burn us

maybe he really is a genius and he gets all 4 up to superb level and I look a fool

lets all hope so

like I said (and have been saying all season) we are probably the hardest team to sort out that also has potentially INSANE talent that the others do not, especially on the EPL, plus we are carrying a CRAZY amount of dregs under contract. That shit is fucking us up and has been for ages now. I am SO sick of hearing the names

Álvaro Morata (Done Soon thank fuck)
Mario Pasalic (Done Soon)
Tiemoué Bakayoko  
Emerson
Ross Barkley
Michy Batshuayi
Davide Zappacosta
Danny Drinkwater  
Abdul Rahman Baba
Victor Moses    
Kenedy   
Marco van Ginkel
Juan Familia-Castillo (Done Soon probably as Ajax have an option to buy)
Nathan   
Charly Musonda Jr.    
Danilo Pantic  
Matt Miazga    
Lewis Baker   
Jamal Blackman
Lucas Piazón 
Jake Clarke-Salter
Izzy Brown
Josh Grant    
Richard Nartey
Luke McCormick    
Jacob Maddox  

get them off the fucking books

most are utter dogshit 

NIGHTMARE

That is a good list but 

Back to my question. What do Chelsea want their rw to do ? 

If you said, you want him to go up and down maybe Ziyech is not your guy. If you want him to be able to play deeper as rm, pepe is not your guy. 

 

 

 

[Vesper 28,774]

On 15/06/2020 at 0:13 PM, communicate said:

That is a good list but 

Back to my question. What do Chelsea want their rw to do ? 

If you said, you want him to go up and down maybe Ziyech is not your guy. If you want him to be able to play deeper as rm, pepe is not your guy. 

 

 

 

Score more than Willian, lolol

I am burnt out on the whole thing

I am finally getting stressed

And its not over transfers atm

It is all about our last nine EPL games.

I am REALLY worried about our CB's, the goddamn LB (what else is new), and Kepa/Willy

Not just for the nine games, but next season too. I made the large mistake of going back and watching games we lost. OMG

Newcastle! Ffs

West Ham

SOTON

Bournemouth

Arrrrfff

 

[Vesper 28,774]

Chelsea are willing to sell midfield star to finance further signings this summer

https://www.caughtoffside.com/2020/06/19/chelsea-are-willing-to-sell-midfield-star-to-finance-further-signings-this-summer/

In a time where it’s expected that most clubs won’t be doing a lot of business this summer, Chelsea fans must be delighted with some of the business they are doing.

The Times (subscription required) looked at the latest with their summer plans, and they confirm that Timo Werner will join Hakim Ziyech in making the move to Stamford Bridge ahead of next season.

The fans may be excited to hear that they still have further plans to strengthen, and Kai Havertz is touted as the next big name that Frank Lampard is going after.

Unfortunately it doesn’t sound like there’s going to be a bottomless pot of money, so that means some players will need to be sold.

They go on to report that N’Golo Kante has emerged as someone who the club would be willing to sell, and it’s likely the fans will have mixed feelings on this.

He’s extremely likeable because of his demeanor and his playing style – He never stops running, his tackling and anticipation is incredible and he plays in a clean way too.

The problem is that he’s started to struggle with injuries and he’s also 29, and you do have to wonder if he will still be able to play at the top level when his pace starts to go.

If Chelsea can get a huge fee for him and that allows them to bring in someone like Havertz, then it will probably be seen as good business.

There’s no suggestion that anyone has agreed a deal with Chelsea to sign the French star, but it does sound like his time at Stamford Bridge may be coming to an end.

snip

[Jase 43,479]

Lampard denies he wants to sell Kanté to fund Havertz and Chilwell moves

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jun/19/frank-lampard-ngolo-kante-kai-havertz-ben-chilwell-chelsea

Frank Lampard has denied Chelsea will fund moves for Bayer Leverkusen’s Kai Havertz and Leicester’s Ben Chilwell by selling N’Golo Kanté this summer.

Chelsea are targeting Havertz and Chilwell after confirming the signings of RB Leipzig’s Timo Werner and Ajax’s Hakim Ziyech but Lampard insisted he had no intention of losing Kanté, even though the manager accepted some squad members could be sold when the transfer window opens.

Kanté, who is available to face Aston Villa on Sunday after putting aside his safety fears over coronavirus, has made 22 appearances in all competitions this season after struggling with injuries. However Lampard, who is unsure whether Pedro and Willian will agree short-term deals to the end of the season, said the 29-year-old France midfielder was in his long-term plans.

“In terms of N’Golo, I’ve seen some talk and reports about him and his future at the club,” Lampard said. “I’ve said it a lot of times about N’Golo – one of the best midfield players in the world. I would have loved to be able to play with him. He has everything.

“Coming back to Chelsea and having N’Golo Kanté is something I really want to appreciate and work with. Because of injuries it’s been tough for N’Golo. It’s nice to see him a little bit fresh. N’Golo is so important to us going forward. We need him regularly and hopefully we’ll have that now.”

[MoroccanBlue 5,296]

Doesn't really deny anything at all actually. 

[Magic Lamps 11,653]

16 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Doesn't really deny anything at all actually. 

You are right. Lampard speaks like a true politician. circumventing the question by praising the player. I don’t think we will sell Kante tho. He will not fetch his value in this market and he can still help us even he will probably not be the first name on the team sheet anymore.

[Jase 43,479]

2 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

You are right. Lampard speaks like a true politician. circumventing the question by praising the player. I don’t think we will sell Kante tho. He will not fetch his value in this market and he can still help us even he will probably not be the first name on the team sheet anymore.

If this supposedly non-denial was a one off thing, then yeah but it isn't. Lampard might not have explicitly said "no, I don't want to sell Kante" but he has consistently praised Kante to the heavens every single time, saying good things about him more than he probably needs to at times (not that Kante is bad or anything). All this suggests that Lampard is not interested in selling Kante, unless a club is dumb enough to offer something like 100 million or more. Then maybe, MAYBE, that might turn a few heads at the club.

[Jase 43,479]

It was only Aston Villa but Kante played well in the lone DM role yesterday. Would be glad to be proven wrong if he can make that work in the long run. 

[kellzfresh 7,229]

MOTM yesterday. Aston villa did not get a single meaningful counter attack because of him. He snuffed out every of their attack and turned it into possession for us. And he was spraying passes effortlessly 

[killer1257 3,282]

It was only Aston Villa but Kante played well in the lone DM role yesterday. Would be glad to be proven wrong if he can make that work in the long run. 

He made a lot of fouls though. I remember prime Kante being able to win tackles without a foul

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