Special Juan 28,141 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Ah well, leave it at then. we need a top class CF next season anyway. Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomiswave 6,117 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 He rejected it? What for? Im sure its a decent contract.....hes crazy if he thinks we will just hand him a super deal already. Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Jase 43,479 Posted March 8, 2020 Popular Post! Share Posted March 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, Atomiswave said: He rejected it? What for? Im sure its a decent contract.....hes crazy if he thinks we will just hand him a super deal already. Considering the board caved in on CHO's demands when he hasn't done anything of note in his career so far, it's little wonder that Abraham wants parity when he actually has already done things in his career. Strike, OneMoSalah, manpe and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyeye 7,509 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Atomiswave said: He rejected it? What for? Im sure its a decent contract.....hes crazy if he thinks we will just hand him a super deal already. this is one of reasons i dont buy that talk about dreaming of playing for boyhood club, or ending their careers at the club, etc. At the end of the day its all about money, there are no loyalties to the clubs nowadays, hell i remember when Terry asked for a pay rise, the moment City came knocking on the door in 2009, altough its a different scenario because Terry was already a WC player and reaching his prime, Abraham has a long way to go still. 11Drogba and Atomiswave 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyeye 7,509 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Jason said: Considering the board caved in on CHO's demands when he hasn't done anything of note in his career so far, it's little wonder that Abraham wants parity when he actually has already done things in his career. the way we dealed with CHO set a bad precedent, now other youngsters will follow suit. Atomiswave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 9 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said: That's fair enough, Tammy is entitled to negotiate the best deal he can get. I hope however that the club won't allow itself to overspend on the wages of our youngsters just because they are our youngsters. Pay them what they're worth for sure, but we still have to use the budget wisely. If we didnt give Callum a massive deal this wouldnt be happening. The fact hes our top scorer too doesnt help but mainly the predicent we set with CHOs deal is coming back to bite us already. 1 hour ago, Atomiswave said: He rejected it? What for? Im sure its a decent contract.....hes crazy if he thinks we will just hand him a super deal already. Hes our top scorer. Has done more than Callum has so he obviously thinks he deserves more cash and quite rightfully so as mentioned above, CHO contract coming back to bite us. Johnnyeye and OhForAGreavsie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said: If we didnt give Callum a massive deal this wouldnt be happening. The fact hes our top scorer too doesnt help but mainly the predicent we set with CHOs deal is coming back to bite us already. Hes our top scorer. Has done more than Callum has so he obviously thinks he deserves more cash and quite rightfully so as mentioned above, CHO contract coming back to bite us. That is genuinely just conjecture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 30 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: That is genuinely just conjecture Maybe it is but hes playing regularly here and our top scorer so I doubt concerns over a lack of playing time is the issue. The club and manager also want to renew him so again, that cant be the issue. Its not as if the wages we gave CHO in his new contract isnt a very plausible reason, is it? Especially when its been reported for a while that he wants parity with our other players, although the only name that has been dropped in any article Ive seen since the start of the season has been Callums and his 150,000 or 180,000 a week wages. Tammy will not be the only one either in the future to do so 100% and if it isnt the issue with Tammy, it is still a dangerous situation for the club moving forward as there will inevitably be other guys wanting new deals in the future on similar pay packets with similar apperances to Callum when he renewed. Hopefully the club can resolve the situation and renew Tammys contract soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomiswave 6,117 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 2 hours ago, OneMoSalah said: Hes our top scorer. Has done more than Callum has so he obviously thinks he deserves more cash and quite rightfully so as mentioned above, CHO contract coming back to bite us. Yeah but come'on, still so young and still not exactly consistent, he shold have taken it and do his best....then a fatter contract would come his way. But I agree Marina should not have offered that much to Cho for example. I dont what the wages is on but I doubt he would get much better elsewhere atm. OneMoSalah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Sell him as soon as we have a replacement. We know he will never be good enough. He is still young and might improve so i would rather keep him but the club should not be held to ransom. The CHO deal should remain a one off. He still has 2 yrs left so he should fetch full market value at least 55m being English and homegrown. I see too much of Lukaku in him who is still the exact same player he was at 23. he will be a decent striker no doubt, score plenty of goals esp in clusters vs poor teams but he will never be an absolute worldie good enough to lead our line. Atomiswave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 On 08/03/2020 at 2:34 PM, OneMoSalah said: If we didnt give Callum a massive deal this wouldnt be happening. The fact hes our top scorer too doesnt help but mainly the predicent we set with CHOs deal is coming back to bite us already. Hes our top scorer. Has done more than Callum has so he obviously thinks he deserves more cash and quite rightfully so as mentioned above, CHO contract coming back to bite us. Hudson Odoi is on 120k a week basic, it really isn't that big a deal all things considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Tomo said: Hudson Odoi is on 120k a week basic, it really isn't that big a deal all things considered. 120k after maybe 25 or 30 career appearances though? Riddled with consistency issues bar the Europa League? Still a big deal I'd say. Vytis33 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said: 120k after maybe 25 or 30 career appearances though? Riddled with consistency issues bar the Europa League? Still a big deal I'd say. He has elite potential and was subject to a £35m bid from Bayern Munich, that type of stuff (not to mention our insistence we learned from the De Bruyne situation) was always going to give him leverage. Infact the fact Bayern would have paid him that if we didn't took all our leverage away full stop. Take a look at Jude Bellingham for example, one season at Birmingham he's commanding £50m and 100k a week (alleged price United are paying). This they have to clean boots and earn the pay rise narrative is nice and romantic and all but just simply not realistic to the state of play in 2020. If we want to keep elite prospects we have to pay up or someone else will do it for us. Strike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, Tomo said: He has elite potential and was subject to a £35m bid from Bayern Munich, that type of stuff (not to mention our insistence we learned from the De Bruyne situation) was always going to give him leverage. Infact the fact Bayern would have paid him that if we didn't took all our leverage away full stop. Take a look at Jude Bellingham for example, one season at Birmingham he's commanding £50m and 100k a week (alleged price United are paying). This they have to clean boots and earn the pay rise narrative is nice and romantic and all but just simply not realistic to the state of play in 2020. If we want to keep elite prospects we have to pay up or someone else will do it for us. Scenes if CHO doesn't turn out to be as good as people expect... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, Jason said: Scenes if CHO doesn't turn out to be as good as people expect... Probably not half as bad as if we let him go because he "wanted too much" only to see him furfil his potential at Bayern or worse a top six rival. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Tomo said: Probably not half as bad as if we let him go because he "wanted too much" only to see him furfil his potential at Bayern or worse a top six rival. That's still an 'IF' situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jason said: That's still an 'IF' situation. So is your scenario Callum was one of the star men of the most dominant academy team since the Busby babes, had Bayern (well renowned for their penny pinching) willing to spend £35m after two first team starts. He passed all the tests at youth level and all things considered has done well with the step up to the first team. There's never any guarentee with any players but he's done and shown enough to take that chance on, not only that, like I said 120k really really isn't that much for a player of his talent, a standard squad player signing would be commanding in or around that these days, case in point Drinkwater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tomo said: So is your scenario Callum was one of the star men of the most dominant academy team since the Busby babes, had Bayern (well renowned for their penny pinching) willing to spend £35m after two first team starts. He passed all the tests at youth level and all things considered has done well with the step up to the first team. There's never any guarentee with any players but he's done and shown enough to take that chance on, not only that, like I said 120k really really isn't that much for a player of his talent, a standard squad player signing would be commanding in or around that these days, case in point Drinkwater. Go through history and I'm sure you will find lots of young players who did well at youth level but never went on to fulfill their potential. For our sake, CHO better go on to fulfill his potential because if not, we're gonna look like idiots for the way we caved in on his demands and so do you, since you're confidently talking him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jason said: Go through history and I'm sure you will find lots of young players who did well at youth level but never went on to fulfill their potential. For our sake, CHO better go on to fulfill his potential because if not, we're gonna look like idiots for the way we caved in on his demands and so do you, since you're confidently talking him up. So out of curiosity, would you have let him walk? Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Tomo said: So out of curiosity, would you have let him walk? Would have tried to persuade him to stay but not cave into his contract demands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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