John Terry

[OhForAGreavsie 6,057]

11 hours ago, Peace. said:

 

5 hours ago, Peace. said:

 

I didn't include the text of the posts I'm referencing because they're a bit longer than average. They can be found by clicking the swirly arrow in the top right of the blue boxes above. If you do that, and find you have not already read them then I recommend that you do. They contain 100%, well thought out, good sense.

The argument @Peace makes in those two contributions reminds me of one of my favourite Winston Churchill comments, "Most people don't think most of the the time so the majority opinion is nearly always wrong."

[11Drogba 2,000]

Our board sacked the manager they had given contract extension a few months earlier. We know enough about them to say that they have no idea what they are doing.

[Clockwork 1,794]

What is it Im missing? 

Terry is past it, the club doesn't think he is at the standard to continue at Chelsea anymore. These type of decisions are made all the time in sports, business, and all walk of life.

the club seriously need to move on from bunch of players.

hopefully this dreadful season serves that, the most positive thing that could happen.

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

[Melanicus 5,208]

I don't know why some of you are bringing the personal issues in here, we're talking about Terry as a football player, not as a person (I doubt any of you know him personally anyway). Yes, he doesn't seem like the most pleasant guy if you take into the count some of his "scandals".

But...  

For us, he is a football player, a captain - leader of our beloved team. If you show passion, play your heart out every game, leave your blood, sweat and tears on the pitch every single game, then you can even be an average player and most of the fans will love you. But Terry is not average. He's the greatest central back in the history of the PL, best English defender of all times and best Chelsea captain ever. He's 35, but last season was still easily the best defenders. He bleeds blue and loves this club, he is Chelsea. We're not the biggest of clubs in terms of history, but we're creating in it right now and Terry will be regarded as our biggest legend. 

So - you can be the biggest cunt ever in real life for all I care. It doesn't matter.

It is a disgrace the way the board are treating him in this situation. A fucking disgrace. Even if he was shit this season - the new contract shouldn't even be a question.

And the biggest hypocrisy is that they try to make him a villain because he announced this to the fans. Those cunts in our board are afraid of the fan uproar, because fans make football clubs run. They are now scared and are saying that it's up to the new manager, putting unnecessary pressure at the new guy. Why did they then extend Ivanovic's contract then? 

You may call me a sentimental idiot. Maybe, I'm delusional, but I still believe in honor and passion in the game. 

[Essien19 1,415]

Talking shit about a man is one thing, dragging his parents into it is another one.

You can't choose your parents and furthermore you can't be held responsable for their wrong doings. You know when some people are desperate.

Maybe Terry cheated, maybe not, i think his wife never admitted to these charges, Cole's ex made it clear!

One of the users here once said about an Italian player:

Maybe he should have been a better husband, that says it all, we don't know the whole story so we should not be too judgemental, imo.

Terry is not a racist, an actual court of law found him not guilty, moreover his brothers from another mother Cole and Drogba are his friends and i don't think they would call a racist friend!

So it would be better to accept it instead of going again and again through the same story, imo.

Terry fucked it up in Moscow, that was hard to take, he cried afterwards, that doesn't make up for it, but puts it in perspektive:

he is human afterall, everyone makes mistakes, even the extraterrestial Messi.

Same goes for the game against Barcelona 2012.

Terry had some problems with some of the managers in the past, overall we had lots of glory,

but the Boss demands better.

In my opinion that's why i get where Abramovich is coming from, but i think he should have known better after the fiascos of other legends.

John Terry is one of us and he should stay until the end.

Would Terry put his personal feelings ahead of what's best for the club?

I doubt that, he risked getting some serious health issues with the way he has been playing over the years.

I'm an outsider like most of you, some might say it is 90 percent or higher, but i see how Terry is with his kids in public and how some youth players speak about him, i think he would be great having around, maybe he isn't a tactical mastermind but he can teach you the basics.

He knows what it takes to become one of the best players in the Premier-League, there aren't many better leaders out there.

Hope they all make up their mind and John stays.

Maybe that short text isn't good enough, someone moaned about the recent quality around here,

i sincerely apologise to you, mate.

[Melanicus 5,208]

Here's what Ancelotti had to say about Terry:

"John Terry is the captain of all team captains, he was born with the captain's armband on his arm. Even without the band, it's as if he wears it anyway, and that's how it ought to be. He's different from all the others, Chelsea is his home, it always has been, ever since the youth squad. One word from him, and the locker room holds its breath. He's the first one to sit down at meals, the first one to stand up. Being part of this club is his mission, that's how he was made. He pays close attention to the performances of the youth team, he keeps up, he knows all the scores, he misses nothing (although he often loses at ping-pong in the dining room - and when that happens, watch out). He works twice as hard as everyone else, he has the sense of responsibility of someone who runs a company, a people, a philosophy that above all has to win. There is no room for second place; there can only be room for us." 

[mccg 1,528]

His contract mess sort of epitomises Chelsea season 

 

[pHaRaOn 2,131]

Maybe JT has announced this because he doesn't want to be in situation like Ash or Lampard - released at the end of the season without any fanfares.

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

7 hours ago, Peace. said:

 

FB, did you read my post or did you read what you wanted to read ? In my previous comment, there is no anti-Chelsea, no anti-Board, no anti-Terry, no anti-nothing, really. No, actually there is a 'anti-something' ! And this is directed against 90% of the members of this forum who, while having absolutely no clue of what might going on in the board, have skipped the step 'think before you talk' to let the free reign to their emotions and who rue themselves to be the most outraged of the outraged virgins.

Did British media outlets have published articles about Terry's dad and his cocaine deal ? Yes, fact.
Did British media outlets have published articles about Terry's mother and mother-in-law stealing clothes ? Yes, fact.
Did British media outlets have published articles about Terry cheating his wife with his ex-teammate's ex-wife ? Yes, fact.
Did British media outlets have published articles about Terry's saying racist stuff ? Did Terry was stripped of his England captaincy because of that, and did he was banned and fined by the FA ? Did Terry had to go to a civil court because of that ? Yes, fact.

I am so, sooooo so sorry if the things I aforementioned are not of your liking, but I did not write those articles no did I banned him and bring him before a court. In my previous post, while listing all those facts, I delivered absolutely no  judgment of value neither about the club nor about Terry... And the most important of all, did I say that what he allegedly done was true or not true ? No, no and no. And anyway, who gives a damn if it is true or not, at the exception of you lot ? Media and other teams' supporters do not give a damn about the veracity of those allegations — it paints Terry as a bad guy and eventually Chelsea as a disgusting club, that is enough for them.

Did all these scandals brought bad publicity to the club, did they pictured Chelsea as classless ? Were all these moments easy for the Club to handle ? It must be very difficult for a club to handle situations where its 'Captain, Leader, Legend' is being painted as a racist and an infidel husband whose mum steals clothes and whose dad sells cocaine.. don't you think ? And as you live in Europe, you should know that publicly accusing a public figure of racism is the perfect way to ruin his career — once you are labelled as racist, you are finished.

To conclude, what did I say in my previous comment ? This is pretty trivial. If the club wanted to disrespectfully get rid of John Terry like an old rag, they would have done it way before as they had several occasion to do so. And the best occasion would have been during the Ferdinand-gate. Why ? Because : 1) Benitez had already benched Terry and to sell a bench player is easier than to sell the captain of the starting eleven 2) Consequently, Benitez would have taken the most part of the blames and insults from the fans 3) Cech, Lampard and Cole were still around ; selling a legend while there are three remainings is easier to get rid of your last legend 4) they would have had the 'anti-racism' shield and would likely have been applauded by the football world to have taken action against racism.

But they did not got rid of him. Terry had been at several occasions at the center of various scandals and he mechanically dragged the Club into all this mess. Yet they backed him up during all these difficult times ; no armband stripped, no status degraded, no fine given and not even bench-time given ! Do you think this is disrespectful from the Club to have acted as such ? Chelsea FC have backed one of their employees during difficult times, they have supported him — is this not a class act ?

All I wanted to do was to point out that, even though all these knights of the Holy Virginity might bawl and shout all they want about how classless and disrespectful Chelsea is, if one thinks a few seconds (I won't dare to ask a few minutes) and analyze the relationship between Terry and the Club over the years, then one would notice that there is a lot of professionality, maturity and class between Terry and the Club and vice-versa — and thus those accusations of 'disrespect' would appear to be out of place.

But maybe that it is me who is out of place after all. Since Mourinho has fallen, this forum does not take kindly to common sense and well argumented debates. And I probably should leave the lot of you in your world of fantasies where Emenalo and the Board's members are irrevocably bad persons that do all those disrespectful stuff only to be mean toward innocent Chelsea fans and are the sole reason for which we are such in a dire situation and the sole reason for which our almighty best manager has been sacked.

That being said, it still baffles me that I have to go in length to explain a post that was apparently well enough written for a few people to understand — or maybe they actually read my post — while the vast majority of the members of this forum are having a field day for two months now, and all they do is to insult a Chelsea's employee and to label the Club and its board as classless and disrespectful and all — and everything is good for them... But oh well..

 

 Yes you quoted some of the half truths about his family -stuff that the gutter press like to look down their noses at -a working class footballer who comes from poverty and digging up . The best footballers come from the street, Sanchez, Messi, Costa, Rooney, Ronaldo all with troubled home lives and families -in Terrys case playing on Hackney Marshes and a council estate. Snotty journos who have had a middle class existence like nothing more than attacking a working class, or black boxer made good. The reason a horrible piece of shit like Joey Barton is still feted and prostituted around clubs is solely because he raises revenue, any other profession and he would be in jail.

It seemed to me your post was just rehashing media tittle tattle, trying to make out the board were being saintly in keeping him. The reason the club didn't get rid of him because the sum of the benefit  (trophies and money) outweighed the scandal factor by a mile. It has nothing to do with them being benign employers .No, it would have been a hard business decision based on his superb ability and the money he brings to the club, a decision based on sheer economics, plus the fear of fan backlash in terms of the boards own spinelessness. 

But if we have to drag up his private life lets not forget the other  stuff John does, all the out of club  boxing training routines he does to keep at peak fitness. The stuff that doesn't sell papers -like the millions hes given to charity, the lifts he gives to fans in his Bentley to away games, and all the selfless stuff for the Small Steps Project, Make a Wish Foundation, and at Great Ormond Street Hospital , spending time with children who have hours to live because of a hideous cancer.

Apart from that, the best defender in the Premier league and Chelsea best player ever.

 

[kellzfresh 7,229]

11 hours ago, Henrique said:

Just was thinking: the club actually never told Terry that his contract won't be renewed, instead said the next manager will decide. So, why did he decide to make everything public? 

1- Other clubs will understand the is available in the summer and his word will atract good offers from the likes of MLS clubs.

2- The next manager will be left in a situation that he will feel forced to give Terry a contract extention to win over fans.

Its a win or win situation.

This is exactly what I wanted to say. But the board also forgot that they have to treat Terry different from the rest. He's Chelsea through and through and should be offered a role in Chelsea. 

Get Terry a contract, he can always come from the bench in future because his advice is more valuable than someone else occupying the bench. 

My main annoyance about the situation though, is the thought of ivanovic as our captain next season. It does my head in

[manpe 10,861]

Some time has passed and the more I think about it, the more it makes sense provided the club are saying the truth about waiting for the new manager's input. Even with Ivanovic's case it makes sense at the moment due to having a resale value in case the manager doesn't want him either. I think JT might have played with our emotions a bit ("I won't be retiring at Chelsea"), or the other possible explanation is that the club is backtracking or JT just misunderstood the situation. Anyway, there is still hope.

[Roquila 1,335]

Funny how you all act like you never cheated or the thought crossed your mind .... I am also pretty sure some of you call people 'niggers' and 'retards' online too. But hey, it's always bad when someone else does this. Fuck the board.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

12 minutes ago, manpe said:

Some time has passed and the more I think about it, the more it makes sense provided the club are saying the truth about waiting for the new manager's input. Even with Ivanovic's case it makes sense at the moment due to having a resale value in case the manager doesn't want him either. I think JT might have played with our emotions a bit ("I won't be retiring at Chelsea"), or the other possible explanation is that the club is backtracking or JT just misunderstood the situation. Anyway, there is still hope.

Tbf, until the truth comes out one way or the other, I would take JT's direct quotes over the calculated response of some faceless PR employee of the club supposedly 'leaking' what happened to a single journalist. 

[Leif 6,006]

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