The Mourinho Thread

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Just like there's no way to prove that Roman sets up all the tactic behind doors, and Mourinho is just a puppet?

Seriously, this is just hogwash.

If Mourinho felt like he was not being heard and being forced upon he would have left.

He left before because of this, and he came back because the owner realize his mistakes and respect his opinion now.

I think there is a lot of evidence of the contrary actually. But again its all open for debate... I'm not drawing hard lines I'm just looking at the evidence and it looks weird.

[Fernando 6,585]

I think there is a lot of evidence of the contrary actually. But again its all open for debate... I'm not drawing hard lines I'm just looking at the evidence and it looks weird.

What looks weird?

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

What looks weird?

That Jose would sanction a move for Cesc, that no striker was brought in at the bequest of Jose until nowish.... That he wanted Ashley and Lamps to stay apparently, and they're gone.

[Fernando 6,585]

That Jose would sanction a move for Cesc, that no striker was brought in at the bequest of Jose until nowish.... That he wanted Ashley and Lamps to stay apparently, and they're gone.

Whats wrong with Cesc? And don't come with that bullshit of not a jose type of players, cause neither it was Ozil.

Ozil is even more lazier than Fiberglass!

The striker situation was all Mourinho and the club fault for being stupid in trying to chase Rooney.

Wasted all that time to get Eto'o. Then Mourinho let Lukaku go on loan.

Even though Lukaku ask to go on loan, Mourinho has the last say. Just like he did with Ba, in which he wanted to go to Arsenal and he stop it.

Cole and Lamps have been presented with offers but they have refuse.

I don't see nothing "weird" here....

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Whats wrong with Cesc? And don't come with that bullshit of not a jose type of players, cause neither it was Ozil.

Ozil is even more lazier than Fiberglass!

The striker situation was all Mourinho and the club fault for being stupid in trying to chase Rooney.

Wasted all that time to get Eto'o. Then Mourinho let Lukaku go on loan.

Even though Lukaku ask to go on loan, Mourinho has the last say. Just like he did with Ba, in which he wanted to go to Arsenal and he stop it.

Cole and Lamps have been presented with offers but they have refuse.

They don't exactly see eye to eye... And yes Cesc doesn't strike me as a Jose type player at all.

He also wanted a striker in January and was told no.

On Ash and Lamps you could be right... still weird, both seemed keen to return.

AnywayI got your opinion and its well noted I'm still a little greyish on this stuff... I highly doubt Jose has autonomy though, seems like a committee making the consensus pick.

[Barbara 15,149]

Mourinho wanted Cole and Lampard to remain at Chelsea. Board and Roman decided otherwise.

Don't like where this is going.

yeah... seeing how much Mou used Cole is a testament to that... Lamps was more used, but that was only because imo the alternative was bad.

I think Mou respects and really likes a lot both of them, but he seems to be fairly aware that they're past their best years and that we need players in their best and who will approach their best in a couple of seasons, not the opposite.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

yeah... seeing how much Mou used Cole is a testament to that... Lamps was more used, but that was only because imo the alternative was bad.

I think Mou respects and really likes a lot both of them, but he seems to be fairly aware that they're past their best years and that we need players in their best and who will approach their best in a couple of seasons, not the opposite.

Good point. could've been saving face amongst the supporters

[Fernando 6,585]

They don't exactly see eye to eye... And yes Cesc doesn't strike me as a Jose type player at all.

He also wanted a striker in January and was told no.

On Ash and Lamps you could be right... still weird, both seemed keen to return.

AnywayI got your opinion and its well noted I'm still a little greyish on this stuff... I highly doubt Jose has autonomy though, seems like a committee making the consensus pick.

After I told you not to tell me that José type of player bullshit and you still give it....

I guess you don't read a word I said then. Especially when ozil is even worse then fabregas in lazy attitude and he was an important player for Mourinho.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

After I told you not to tell me that José type of player bullshit and you still give it.

I guess you don't read a word I said then. Especially when ozil is even worse then fabregas in lazy attitude.

Where did Ozil play? Where are you projecting Cesc to play? do the positions carry the same sort of tactical acumen?

Was Jose the guy who signed Ozil or was it the director?

[Fernando 6,585]

Where did Ozil play? Where are you projecting Cesc to play? do the positions carry the same sort of tactical acumen?

Was Jose the guy who signed Ozil or was it the director?

Really?

That's it I'm not continuing this discussion with you.

Thanks for the time.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Really?

That's it I'm not continuing this discussion.

Thanks for the time.

Finally...

[Namika 922]

Are they really people out there thinking that José don't want Fabregas ? Stop believing everything you see in the media, He likes Fabregas as a player, he even tried to bring him to Real in his first year, he was the first option for the N.10 spot before the WC 2010.

[Fernando 6,585]

Are they really people out there thinking that José don't want Fabregas ? Stop believing everything you see in the media, He likes Fabregas as a player, he even tried to bring him to Real in his first year, he was the first option for the N.10 spot before the WC 2010.

Nop because according to the guy above he thinks Mourinho buys no player but the director force all the players on him.

Eto'o, Ozil, Essien, and all those was never bought by Mourinho.

[Barbara 15,149]

People might have understanding issues... that's the only explanation left.

Mourinho HIMSELF in VIDEO said in his last press conference before the Norwich match that he was going to send in a report the following Monday with his opinions about the players we had both in the club, as well as the youth and the ones loaned out to the board, with his observations of what he thinks about those players - heavily implied about keeping them or not.

He also said there would be some clinical signings to be done and it's obvious he will make some suggestions. That's how things work in every other club. Nobody makes decisions alone, if that wasn't obvious. I don't buy this BS that Roman signs this and that player. When have we ever had Roman even speaking to the media? Every blue moon he makes a comment - normally in the match program. So based on what media writes - as they please, citing whatever sources they want - they came up with this story 'The Roman signing'. Roman isn't a football specialist, isn't a manager, isn't the same guy new in the business he was 10 years ago. why would he sign players for us? He may have the final saying when a big fee comes around, it's his money after all, but I think that's why he has a trusting board of directors. He's made the changes he saw fit in the board and kept most of those people for a few years now. He probably trusts them.

Now between the board and José, isn't it obvious that they talk? José makes some suggestions, they board sees the viability of them. The board or José are offered a player, they talk between each other and see if the player suits the CLUB'S plans (not the board's or José, but the club's). José doesn't make any decision alone and I really doubt the board has the freedom to sign a player José doesn't want. José may not love the player, but he has to approve him as well as the board has to agree with his suggestions. I think it's only in some people's head that they shove things down Mourinho's throat.

I think it's undeniable Mourinho had nearly a free reign at Inter and there isn't much Perez isn't willing to sign to Madrid and he's more limited here because we have a better structure and hopefully learned from our past mistakes, but it's a stretch to think that just because he hasn't got all the power that the board (let alone Roman himself!) completely ignores him. He's the one who makes the calls about the players playing. It's foolish to sign a player he doesn't approve because at the end of the day he's the one who will make that player get in matches or not. And Mourinho would never accept someone other than him to pick the players for our matches. The statement towards the Liverpool match wasn't about this or that player, but clearly giving up on the Premier League for UCL. Even then, he brought a competitive team (we do have a good squad, that can be definitely improved, but good nonetheless) and won the match. It's not like Chelsea don't have a good bench. It's just that in times of FM and fantasy football for some you have to have a bench as strong as your starting XI in every single position. I really feel for being the bearer of such heartbreaking news to a few of you, but in the real world that's not how it works, it simply doesn't exist.

[nono 791]

Well the team is changing quite dramatically from Mikel+Lampard+Ramires etc to Matic + Fabregas. If it is with Mourinho's blessing then all the better I guess.

[didierforever 7,349]

Here's a question, how many people here feel our signings are actually Jose's? I'm a bit skeptical I feel the board is pulling the strings and forcing Jose to play a certain way...

His recent comment about Cesc is what got me thinking that way

thats very unfair to him and the board and ROMAN.

it simply wont make sense from our board to let him sell mata, kdb and luiz but "enforce" cunt fiberglass cesc fabregas(let me start taking his proper name) on him. it simply does not add up. maybe jose himself wants to play a different way. with matic, he knows he has the defensive shield, now he has got a creative midfielder. he can always rely on rambo when needed as a DM. jose would probably have prefered modric or vidal but considering the price cesc is available in, he would be the right option. add to that, getting a HG player which we severely lack.

i think we are all jose as of this moment. the board got him back, backed him in transfers, on team's performances and are still doing so in my opinion.

[Tomo 21,751]

I don't think any other person in sport has as many myth's created about him than Jose does, some of the shit people spout is utterly mindblowing.

[Duppy Conqueror 1,539]

Croatia could, but the games are being played in So America, big difference. Surprises could happen hence my 90% prediction.

Croatia is not a cold weather country..it'll be a bit warmer in Brazil but not to the point where they will struggle because of it.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

This site makes it so hard to introduce new ideas, so many here are hell bent on hammering home their own opinion of how the club is run(when really we have absolutely no way of proving it), and rarely do they look at both sides of the coin. The other thing that becomes so nauseating is how ideas become so black and white in the heads of some. I'm gonna chalk it up to a communication rift since so many here are from different countries and may not have the strongest grasp of the english language, not trying to sound condescending so please don't take it that way.

I never understood why people think that when people speak of the board they automatically assume that it means Roman Abramovich and a bunch of yes men who carry out his every wish... This is the structure I'm speaking of when I say BOARD:

Chairman of the Board - Bruce Buck (usually the guy Roman uses in the media to get his word out)

Directors - Ron Gourlay, Marina Granovskaia and Eugene Tenenbaum (The people responsible for the finances, sponsorship dealings, sanctioning of player acquisitions, building corporate relations and global expansion)

Then you have:

Technical Director - Michael Emenalo

Football Operations Director - Mike Forde

Club Secretary - Dave Barnard

The Gentlemen above answer to Gourlay, Tenenbaum and Buck for anything that has to do with the football at the club.

This has been the structure that has been in place since 2011 I believe and hasn't changed much since then. Chelsea are building a style of football that has been in the works since the hiring of AVB and his "project" We haven't deviated from this plan at all, only enhanced it. We continue to move towards playing attacking football that is easy on the eyes and though the managers have changed the DIRECTIVE of the club hasn't, I'm hoping we can all agree to this.

Now, Jose Mourinho comes back to the club in the MIDST of a rebuild, if we can all agree that there hasn't been a deviation from the rebuild then we must also accept that the plan was in place before Jose arrived and thus, he is basically adhering to a plan that was put in motion before he arrived. So Jose is hired to help the club realize a vision, that vision being sexy football. He has his ideas but remember this isn't 2004, Jose does not have any sort of autonomy. If in the past Jose had the final say on who is added and when I would question whether the buck stops with him now. In my head its seems more like a committee making consensus decisions.

[DavidEU 2,023]

Coaching the rest of the world side at Soccer Aid tonight. Showing training during last week, and he turns up with Rui Faria and Jose Morais. Doesn't take anything lightly does he!