The Mourinho Thread

[1chelsea 864]

Sometimes, criticism is warranted. Regardless to whom it is addressed to.

Even Jose is not infallible. I know most of you worship him here, but opinions of him may differ.

Having said that, I believe Jose is the best around, but....?

I see what you trying to do like I said first kinda thing that signing Jose is wrong i would have prefer this or that coach well Jose is the best around he will try to do what is best for the club because something that seem right in your eye might not be for some, so let hope he give the club the best. cheers

[bushman 2,043]

I see what you trying to do like I said first kinda thing that signing Jose is wrong i would have prefer this or that coach well Jose is the best around he will try to do what is best for the club because something that seem right in your eye might not be for some, so let hope he give the club the best. cheers

How do you know what I am trying to do ?

Have I said signing Jose was wrong ?

Think about it.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/8905614/

[1chelsea 864]

I see what you trying to do like I said first kinda thing that signing Jose is wrong i would have prefer this or that coach well Jose is the best around he will try to do what is best for the club because something that seem right in your eye might not be for some, so let hope he give the club the best. cheers

How do you know what I am trying to do ?

Have I said signing Jose was wrong ?

Think about it.

You didn't say the signing Jose was wrong but you be on Jose on the lukaku and BA if I remember well but you should know that the number of games play he will get here will be reduce compare to the game play he will get at Everton if you would agree, the on BA Jose intended him going on lone but the buy of ozil change Jose mind not to strengthens his opponent so during the wait on BA Jose choose to troll wenger for not getting into the market early. For the game that is a good strategy, I know you too use strategy when playing game, we need all plans Jose is wait one love

[bushman 2,043]

You didn't say the signing Jose was wrong but you be on Jose on the lukaku and BA if I remember well but you should know that the number of games play he will get here will be reduce compare to the game play he will get at Everton if you would agree, the on BA Jose intended him going on lone but the buy of ozil change Jose mind not to strengthens his opponent so during the wait on BA Jose choose to troll wenger for not getting into the market early. For the game that is a good strategy, I know you too use strategy when playing game, we need all plans Jose is wait one love

Let me just simplify it without any hypothetical jargon.

I simply do not agree to see Lukaku out on loan.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Let me just simplify it without any hypothetical jargon.

I simply do not agree to see Lukaku out on loan.

but we want Lukaku to get play time every weekend.

[1chelsea 864]

You didn't say the signing Jose was wrong but you be on Jose on the lukaku and BA if I remember well but you should know that the number of games play he will get here will be reduce compare to the game play he will get at Everton if you would agree, the on BA Jose intended him going on lone but the buy of ozil change Jose mind not to strengthens his opponent so during the wait on BA Jose choose to troll wenger for not getting into the market early. For the game that is a good strategy, I know you too use strategy when playing game, we need all plans Jose is wait one love

Let me just simplify it without any hypothetical jargon.

I simply do not agree to see Lukaku out on loan.

Ok I will take that as your opinion but it already a done deal please just let get behind you and let move on bro let go win together

[Stingray 9,441]

You didn't say the signing Jose was wrong but you be on Jose on the lukaku and BA if I remember well but you should know that the number of games play he will get here will be reduce compare to the game play he will get at Everton if you would agree, the on BA Jose intended him going on lone but the buy of ozil change Jose mind not to strengthens his opponent so during the wait on BA Jose choose to troll wenger for not getting into the market early. For the game that is a good strategy, I know you too use strategy when playing game, we need all plans Jose is wait one love

Let me just simplify it without any hypothetical jargon.

I simply do not agree to see Lukaku out on loan.

Let me just simplify it without any hypothetical jargon.

I simply do not agree to see Lukaku out on loan.

but we want Lukaku to get play time every weekend.

That is actually the source of a lot of confusion. The opinion on the lukaku saga can differ if you adress 1) is it good for Lukaku 2) is it good for Chelsea now

I say 1) yes

I say 2) no, we weakened our attack.

I am frustrated as fuck a lot do not seem to discern between those two and then attack - including the 'belgian' argument that has been on repeat for weeks.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

That is actually the source of a lot of confusion. The opinion on the lukaku saga can differ if you adress 1) is it good for Lukaku 2) is it good for Chelsea now

I say 1) yes

I say 2) no, we weakened our attack.

I am frustrated as fuck a lot do not seem to discern between those two and then attack - including the 'belgian' argument that has been on repeat for weeks.

I would rather see him develop, get good play time by being there almost every weekend, and become a solid player, than play on the bench and see him rot and not be able to make it to the WC.

[Stingray 9,441]

That is actually the source of a lot of confusion. The opinion on the lukaku saga can differ if you adress 1) is it good for Lukaku 2) is it good for Chelsea now

I say 1) yes

I say 2) no, we weakened our attack.

I am frustrated as fuck a lot do not seem to discern between those two and then attack - including the 'belgian' argument that has been on repeat for weeks.

I would rather see him develop, get good play time by being there almost every weekend, and become a solid player, than play on the bench and see him rot and not be able to make it to the WC.

Sigh ...

I get that, but that also implies a choice in weakening our attacking line NOW. It is a trade off. One can debate on this because this is a strategic (policy wise) topic. I cannot understand people cannot discern between those two levels.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Sigh ...

I get that, but that also implies a choice in weakening our attacking line NOW. It is a trade off. One can debate on this because this is a strategic (policy wise) topic. I cannot understand people cannot discern between those two levels.

I don't think it will weak us too much. We haven't seen any of our strikers play much. Eto'o haven't, Torres has miraculously scored, and Ba well, less said the better, but still early days.

[bushman 2,043]

There is no one here who would not want to see Lukaku playing regularly.

My point is. He was deceived, promised to play for Chelsea & he ended at Everton. Just because of incompetence of others to find a place for BA.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

There is no one here who would not want to see Lukaku playing regularly.

My point is. He was deceived, promised to play for Chelsea & he ended at Everton. Just because of incompetence of others to find a place for BA.

He doesn't seem to have a problem, said he was called by Jose and was happy to go to Everton. but yeah we can say that he's trying to act like a professional and getting on with it, but even then the promised and then betrayed remains a conspiracy.

[bushman 2,043]

He doesn't seem to have a problem, said he was called by Jose and was happy to go to Everton. but yeah we can say that he's trying to act like a professional and getting on with it, but even then the promised and then betrayed remains a conspiracy.

I agree with what he had to say. However, could he say anything, otherwise ? He remained calm & professional about it, but I bet he wasn´t too pleased though. I wish him well now & I hope he won´t be screwed next year.

After all this crap, I will watch him play for Everton, happily.

[Barbara 15,149]

I don't think it will weak us too much. We haven't seen any of our strikers play much. Eto'o haven't, Torres has miraculously scored, and Ba well, less said the better, but still early days.

also a guy (whether that's Ba or Lukaku) who will play a very reduced amount of matches - unless any injury happens - and will mostly come for matches of minor importance, does not weaken our side.

It's clear José doesn't agree with many people here that think Lukaku is ready to play for Chelsea - so he knew he'd bench him a lot and probably wouldn't even bench him in many matches. Again, it's preference. I agree with José in this specific matter. Lukaku showed me he has potential, but he's way too raw both emotionally and technically. Thing is people here (some anyway) believe that he's ready or that at his present form he's better than Torres.

Also José may have had a few expectations when he talked to Lukaku when they both arrived at the club and he may have changed his mind during pre-season and the few minutes he played in official matches. How many times didn't a player reach the manager's expectations? More often than we would like, so even the promised stay could have been a consequence of José reassessing Lukaku. Or lack of interest on Ba. No one in our club said Ba didn't get anyone interested on him... it's all the press, and I'd rather not take their word as unquestionable. SSN themselves reported two different clubs interested on him and then they said no one was. So I guess their sources are as good as none?

Either way, I think I'd rather have Ba rotting in our bench as you put it, rather than a 20yo that has tons to develop before he can be a player we can rely on. Torres isn't a lot of things, but he is experienced and doesn't have problems with nerves and pressure... and if I'm honest with myself, I don't see a big gap - if any - between them technically. Lukaku is going to be better than current-Torres, but right now, I guess they're sort of the same, with different issues for different reasons.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

also a guy (whether that's Ba or Lukaku) who will play a very reduced amount of matches - unless any injury happens - and will mostly come for matches of minor importance, does not weaken our side.

It's clear José doesn't agree with many people here that think Lukaku is ready to play for Chelsea - so he knew he'd bench him a lot and probably wouldn't even bench him in many matches. Again, it's preference. I agree with José in this specific matter. Lukaku showed me he has potential, but he's way too raw both emotionally and technically. Thing is people here (some anyway) believe that he's ready or that at his present form he's better than Torres.

Also José may have had a few expectations when he talked to Lukaku when they both arrived at the club and he may have changed his mind during pre-season and the few minutes he played in official matches. How many times didn't a player reach the manager's expectations? More often than we would like, so even the promised stay could have been a consequence of José reassessing Lukaku. Or lack of interest on Ba. No one in our club said Ba didn't get any deals... it's all the press, and I'd rather not take their word as unquestionable. SSN themselves reported two different clubs interested on him and then they said no one was. So I guess their sources are as good as none?

Either way, I think I'd rather have Ba rotting in our bench as you put it, rather than a 20yo that has tons to develop before he can be a player we can rely on. Torres isn't a lot of things, he isn't unexperienced and immature mentally... and if I'm honest with myself, I don't see a big gap - if any - between them technically. Lukaku is going to be better than current-Torres, but right now, I guess they're sort of the same, with different issues for different reasons.

Summed up everything with the three paragraphs.

[Stingray 9,441]

I am sorry social support counts most in here ...

[bushman 2,043]

I would even summarize it better.

Jose the smooth operator talked Lukaku into another loan.