The Mourinho Thread

[Heisenberg 1,824]

Landrup Trophies: 1

Chelsea: 0

But in all seriousness, I rate him highly because I always got the impression Roman wanted sexy football.

When I think of Chelsea in the past, I think of a long ball physically dominating team (not very sexy at all). Landrup can instill a new philosphy in Chelsea. Something that is attractive, where the rest of Europe won't look negatively at our tactics.

However, watching Swansea a lot, his team does give up lots of unnecessary goals....

So, he might not have "big club" experience, however, I think Chelsea needs a new face and style, which Landrup can be leading......

(I think he's linked to Arsenal and Madrid as well).

I wont even consider comparing Swans season to Us, for them, its an exceptional season, for us, our season is shit, just to understand where we live and where Laudrup's team live.

Sexy football and all that things is just to sell paper, nothing more, our buys were obvious, our policy is to win titles by any possible way, and since we are winning by playing "for the idiot people" a shitty football, than its ok, it was that since José came, and we're still tagged as a team that plays not a beautiful football.

I have no doubts that we'll play a nice football in the coming years, not because we have established player & manager that use his philosophy but simply because we have & we'll have top players everywhere, difficult to play shit with Haza & Mata , Oscar, Lampard.Any manager who will come will attack, simply because we dont win premierships by playing with ten defenders, so, dont be afraid, we'll play better football next year without any top manager.

Laudrup may do "A Villas Boas" and come, he proved that he could win titles at Swansea, I would say "title" only, but it is swansea and they defeated a very poor Chelsea side, very very poor, and faced a 4th division ? team in the final, so, its is a good run for sure, but nothing exceptionnal.

Laudrup will make us play good football, we even may play a very good football, but can we win against the United, Barcelona, Madrid, Bayern ? I dont think so, he is a novice, a rookie, he never experienced the Champions League, he never won anything in europe, in fact, I'd prefer a return AVB rather than have him, we need experienced managers, our group of players is difficult to coach and it will be more difficult year after year, can he handle Roman pressure ? Can he win player's confidence ? The new players had already Rafa & Di Matteo as manager, Laudrup must be a top top manager tactically and as a person, because Rafa & Roberto are very good ones.

[Korea 734]

I wont even consider comparing Swans season to Us, for them, its an exceptional season, for us, our season is shit, just to understand where we live and where Laudrup's team live.

Sexy football and all that things is just to sell paper, nothing more, our buys were obvious, our policy is to win titles by any possible way, and since we are winning by playing "for the idiot people" a shitty football, than its ok, it was that since José came, and we're still tagged as a team that plays not a beautiful football.

I have no doubts that we'll play a nice football in the coming years, not because we have established player & manager that use his philosophy but simply because we have & we'll have top players everywhere, difficult to play shit with Haza & Mata , Oscar, Lampard.Any manager who will come will attack, simply because we dont win premierships by playing with ten defenders, so, dont be afraid, we'll play better football next year without any top manager.

Laudrup may do "A Villas Boas" and come, he proved that he could win titles at Swansea, I would say "title" only, but it is swansea and they defeated a very poor Chelsea side, very very poor, and faced a 4th division ? team in the final, so, its is a good run for sure, but nothing exceptionnal.

Laudrup will make us play good football, we even may play a very good football, but can we win against the United, Barcelona, Madrid, Bayern ? I dont think so, he is a novice, a rookie, he never experienced the Champions League, he never won anything in europe, in fact, I'd prefer a return AVB rather than have him, we need experienced managers, our group of players is difficult to coach and it will be more difficult year after year, can he handle Roman pressure ? Can he win player's confidence ? The new players had already Rafa & Di Matteo as manager, Laudrup must be a top top manager tactically and as a person, because Rafa & Roberto are very good ones.

So, I guess Josep had champs league exp prior to his appointment at Barca. Also, RDM had terrible tactics.

[Heisenberg 1,824]

So, I guess Josep had champs league exp prior to his appointment at Barca. Also, RDM had terrible tactics.

I was sure of this typical response.

Josep Guardiola took radical decisions, and proved to be right because his team was talented, far more than ours.

Di Matteo failed this season to impress, tactically he was weak.

[nachikethas 1,154]

his return could be a success or a flop

success- chelsea winning PL in another record breaking style

flop - chelsea finishing second and wins FA cup and captial one cup

[Heisenberg 1,824]

his return could be a success or a flop

success- chelsea winning PL in another record breaking style

flop - chelsea finishing second and wins FA cup and captial one cup

Forgot a Champions League semi final lost by penalties.

[nachikethas 1,154]

Forgot a Champions League semi final lost by penalties.

ok i wasnt particularly mentioning jose's years at chelsea i said us whole..his flop season is finishing 2nd

[Hamilton 2,120]

Laudrup --> Chelsea?

AVB-saga written all over it..

[BlueLion. 21,491]

I was sure of this typical response.

Josep Guardiola took radical decisions, and proved to be right because his team was talented, far more than ours.

Di Matteo failed this season to impress, tactically he was weak.

Di Matteo was always technically tactically "weak". If you want a tactician, go and find Mourinho or Mancini or even our dear old Rafael Benitez. Di Matteo is a man-motivator; something we had missed since Hiddink left in 2009. As much as we loved him, I don't think any one of us dared label him a "good" manager. He is a lucky manager, and in my view a lucky manager is better than a good manager. Just look at his match-ups in Europe last season we we overcame all the odds. That was down to luck and grit; two things he instilled in this team.

As for Pep, I think we all need to withhold our views for some time. That Barcelona side manages itself. If it wasn't for Mourinho and Real, Pep would have won everything going for four straight seasons. If anything, from the fact he "only" won three league titles and two Champions Leagues in that period could even be marked as underachieving, considering how good his players were!

The same will apply at Bayern Munich. He will win the Bundesliga next season and the season after that and the season after that - unless Dortmund pull their acts together. He'll also be a regular in the semi-finals of the UCL, and dependent on the draw (as good as Bayern are, I don't think they have the resilience when coming up against the best sides) he might even win the thing during his stay there. But again, it will be largely dependent on that strikeforce at his disposal, and the supporting cast of Martinez, Schweinsteiger, Neuer, Lahm, Kroos, Muller, Alaba, Ribery et al.

I for one am quite glad he didn't come here as he would simply crash and burn, and failing here would probably be the death of his career.

[Heisenberg 1,824]

Di Matteo was always technically tactically "weak". If you want a tactician, go and find Mourinho or Mancini or even our dear old Rafael Benitez. Di Matteo is a man-motivator; something we had missed since Hiddink left in 2009. As much as we loved him, I don't think any one of us dared label him a "good" manager. He is a lucky manager, and in my view a lucky manager is better than a good manager. Just look at his match-ups in Europe last season we we overcame all the odds. That was down to luck and grit; two things he instilled in this team.

As for Pep, I think we all need to withhold our views for some time. That Barcelona side manages itself. If it wasn't for Mourinho and Real, Pep would have won everything going for four straight seasons. If anything, from the fact he "only" won three league titles and two Champions Leagues in that period could even be marked as underachieving, considering how good his players were!

The same will apply at Bayern Munich. He will win the Bundesliga next season and the season after that and the season after that - unless Dortmund pull their acts together. He'll also be a regular in the semi-finals of the UCL, and dependent on the draw (as good as Bayern are, I don't think they have the resilience when coming up against the best sides) he might even win the thing during his stay there. But again, it will be largely dependent on that strikeforce at his disposal, and the supporting cast of Martinez, Schweinsteiger, Neuer, Lahm, Kroos, Muller, Alaba, Ribery et al.

I for one am quite glad he didn't come here as he would simply crash and burn, and failing here would probably be the death of his career.

This is exaclty what I wanted to read.

As far as Di Matteo was good, we would never win silverware if he stayed, maybe, maybe the Club Word Cup but nothing more, you can't win titles by playing like we were playing.Laudrup has 78 % chance to fail at Chelsea; he could be better tactician, but can he manage his men ? I have doubts.

Pep Guardiola worked hard at Barcelona, talent is never sufficient.I trust Pep more than Laudrup in case of man-management.“He studies endlessly, prepares in detail, draws the maximum from his players and makes us ready for the opposing team" said Busquets, "It involves many hours watching videos but also a huge knowledge as a coach and experience as a player.”

I totally agree with you, he will win at Bayern, because he already have the 'work ethic" there, Bayern is a machine, playing in a weak league, to be fair.He wont face big problems to win.

I have no trust in Laudrup or any other "average" manager for the next season, our group of player is different, Chelsea is different from other clubs, we may be the only fans booing our coach for his first match, in fact, we were booing the board of directors.That is one personality of CFC i'm not really proud of.That's why we need José Mourinho, to regain our "pride".

We must stop the joke, and get back to the winning ways, I expect José Mourinho, if he stays at Madrid, then the best option would be Guus Hiddink, in my opinion.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Absolutely. No stupid experiments - Scolari and AVB failed miserably. Bring a winner in who the players will respect yet be fearful of.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Absolutely. No stupid experiments - Scolari and AVB failed miserably. Bring a winner in who the players will respect yet be fearful of.

When we say we need a manager who the players will respect yet be fearful of, are we talking about any players other than Frank Lampard, John Terry and maybe Ashley Cole?

I fear that we're looking at this problem for the wrong direction - when you have a massive tumour growing in your stomach, you don't buy bigger trousers to fit better....you excise the tumour.

I also don't think there's a player in existence who isn't respectful of Michael Laudrup. He's Michael Laudrup. Do I think he'd be a good choice? I'm not sure. That Swansea job seems to attract intelligent managers who have a good regard for the game and he seems to have continued that tradition. He's articulate, he's certainly learned his trade and he seems ready for the next step.

He'd certainly be a risk, but the Mourinho appointment is risky too. We sing 'We Want Mourinho' but we don't quite want the same Mourino. We want him to play a slightly different brand of football to last time, with different types of players, with different amounts of money to spend and hopefully a different relationship with ownership/the board. I have the same feeling that every other fan seems to have, that he just feels right as Chelsea manager but nostalgia can sometimes blind people to the reality of a situation (and I'm aware he offers more than nostalgia because he's a world class manager).

[Heisenberg 1,824]

When we say we need a manager who the players will respect yet be fearful of, are we talking about any players other than Frank Lampard, John Terry and maybe Ashley Cole?

I fear that we're looking at this problem for the wrong direction - when you have a massive tumour growing in your stomach, you don't buy bigger trousers to fit better....you excise the tumour.

I also don't think there's a player in existence who isn't respectful of Michael Laudrup. He's Michael Laudrup. Do I think he'd be a good choice? I'm not sure. That Swansea job seems to attract intelligent managers who have a good regard for the game and he seems to have continued that tradition. He's articulate, he's certainly learned his trade and he seems ready for the next step.

He'd certainly be a risk, but the Mourinho appointment is risky too. We sing 'We Want Mourinho' but we don't quite want the same Mourino. We want him to play a slightly different brand of football to last time, with different types of players, with different amounts of money to spend and hopefully a different relationship with ownership/the board. I have the same feeling that every other fan seems to have, that he just feels right as Chelsea manager but nostalgia can sometimes blind people to the reality of a situation (and I'm aware he offers more than nostalgia because he's a world class manager).

What's wrong with José Mourinho style of play ?

Seriously I can't understand why bringing back José is risky, he won everywhere with different type of : football, mentalities, players, environment, he had to manage big egos, big talent, small talent, big personalities, different culture of play, against defensive teams, offensive teams, against greatest managers, players and still won, so, why could he fail where he probably belongs and where he'll have all the time to make us Champions of Europe again ? Why ? Why? I see no point of him failing here with these types of players, If Rafa could win games, José could win titles.

[The only place to be 11,313]

What's wrong with José Mourinho style of play ?

Seriously I can't understand why bringing back José is risky, he won everywhere with different type of : football, mentalities, players, environment, he had to manage big egos, big talent, small talent, big personalities, different culture of play, against defensive teams, offensive teams, against greatest managers, players and still won, so, why could he fail where he probably belongs and where he'll have all the time to make us Champions of Europe again ? Why ? Why? I see no point of him failing here with these types of players, If Rafa could win games, José could win titles.

I didn't say there was anything wrong with it, but it's different to what we've been working towards for two years and the personnel we have might not be conducive to what he wants to play - we simply don't know yet.

As for why it's risky, any appointment or signing is risky. But there's history here and that needs to be acknowledged and I couldn't give a flying fuck how many Ferraris and watches Roman sends him. It's very easy to bring up old disagreements the first time you have an argument after getting back together with someone.

And if Rafa can win games, there are other managers in the world who can win titles. Jose isn't the only manager who can take great players and a lot of money and win titles.

[Beepu 1,714]

I didn't say there was anything wrong with it, but it's different to what we've been working towards for two years and the personnel we have might not be conducive to what he wants to play - we simply don't know yet.

As for why it's risky, any appointment or signing is risky. But there's history here and that needs to be acknowledged and I couldn't give a flying fuck how many Ferraris and watches Roman sends him. It's very easy to bring up old disagreements the first time you have an argument after getting back together with someone.

And if Rafa can win games, there are other managers in the world who can win titles. Jose isn't the only manager who can take great players and a lot of money and win titles.

I think most of us here are very sentimental towards Jose, since he is the manager that lasted the longest under Roman and have won it all with us. Except the CL.

[Heisenberg 1,824]

I didn't say there was anything wrong with it, but it's different to what we've been working towards for two years and the personnel we have might not be conducive to what he wants to play - we simply don't know yet.

As for why it's risky, any appointment or signing is risky. But there's history here and that needs to be acknowledged and I couldn't give a flying fuck how many Ferraris and watches Roman sends him. It's very easy to bring up old disagreements the first time you have an argument after getting back together with someone.

And if Rafa can win games, there are other managers in the world who can win titles. Jose isn't the only manager who can take great players and a lot of money and win titles.

"what we've been working towards for two years and the personnel we have might not be conducive to what he wants to play"

Since the departure of Deco, Ballack, Carvalho and all these players, our style of play is shit compared to others, Carlo was sacked because he finished second, under AVB, six month and he is fired, lets bring the saviour with his defensive style and change the mentality again, after four month, sacked, how could you say that in two years we've produced any type of football or we're working in a direction ? We're just trying to avoid the humiliation, our transfer policy is to bring youth and let them do the rest, that's why we finished sixth last year.

And José will only fix our problem in midfield, and defence, with another striker, we could dominate the league again.The team is good.

Mourinho is risky because he worked with Roman ? Maybe its true, I would say there are 5% chance to see José fired after six month, no, I would say 2%.He brings results, results are the most important thing in Football, if Roman has results, he'll be happy, We'll be Happy, José wil be happy, my cat will be happy and everything will go well for us, and with this team, I have no doubts, you cant stop Mata, Hazard and co, they are too good.

"there are other managers in the world who can win titles"

Of course, but lets be realistic, now, who could win us titles next year and manage us for a time ? Who is available ?

[The only place to be 11,313]

"what we've been working towards for two years and the personnel we have might not be conducive to what he wants to play"

Since the departure of Deco, Ballack, Carvalho and all these players, our style of play is shit compared to others, Carlo was sacked because he finished second, under AVB, six month and he is fired, lets bring the saviour with his defensive style and change the mentality again, after four month, sacked, how could you say that in two years we've produced any type of football or we're working in a direction ? We're just trying to avoid the humiliation, our transfer policy is to bring youth and let them do the rest, that's why we finished sixth last year.

Our problems have been long in the making and we've been looking to move to a more sustainable form of success for the last couple of years. That is something Jose has to continue.

Don't call him the saviour either - it's cringeworthy.

And José will only fix our problem in midfield, and defence, with another striker, we could dominate the league again.The team is good.

Which is why he isn't the only coach in the world who can lead us to success.

Mourinho is risky because he worked with Roman ?

Yeah, that's exactly what I said.

Maybe its true, I would say there are 5% chance to see José fired after six month, no, I would say 2%.

There's a 99% chance you're just pulling percentages out of your arse.

He brings results, results are the most important thing in Football, if Roman has results, he'll be happy, We'll be Happy, José wil be happy, my cat will be happy and everything will go well for us, and with this team, I have no doubts, you cant stop Mata, Hazard and co, they are too good

Put your cat on - let's hear what it thinks.

"there are other managers in the world who can win titles"

Of course, but lets be realistic, now, who could win us titles next year and manage us for a time ? Who is available ?

That's the problem. Anyone else, be it Laudrup, Poyet, Simeone etc. would be a risk, but this appointment isn't without it's own risks. People are putting a lot of pressure on Mourinho before he's even appointed and it doesn't help the club. People like you are only setting yourself up for disappointment and it's fucking cringeworthy seeing 'fans' of this club thinking that everything will be okay if Jose comes home. There are a lot of questions and a lot of things to overcome in terms of personal relationships, approach to management and simply appointing the guy.

[Heisenberg 1,824]

Our problems have been long in the making and we've been looking to move to a more sustainable form of success for the last couple of years. That is something Jose has to continue.

Don't call him the saviour either - it's cringeworthy : He won us two titles after a shocking season, he saved us.

Which is why he isn't the only coach in the world who can lead us to success : Obviously, no manager now could lead us to success.

Yeah, that's exactly what I said. : I answered to your idea.

There's a 99% chance you're just pulling percentages out of your arse : Of course, it is.

Put your cat on - let's hear what it thinks : I don't have a cat, and chill, thank you.

That's the problem. Anyone else, be it Laudrup, Poyet, Simeone etc. would be a risk, but this appointment isn't without it's own risks. People are putting a lot of pressure on Mourinho before he's even appointed and it doesn't help the club. People like you are only setting yourself up for disappointment and it's fucking cringeworthy seeing 'fans' of this club thinking that everything will be okay if Jose comes home. There are a lot of questions and a lot of things to overcome in terms of personal relationships, approach to management and simply appointing the guy. : I'm not putting pressure on José, I just trust him more than any other manager now, I have the full confidence if he comes back we'll win again, nothing more, nothing less.If Poyet, Simeone or any one comes I hope he'll succed, I hope every manager who comes will succeed, but I just dont trust them as much as José, and since he may be available in the summer, i'll do the maximum to convince people that he is the right man.

[The only place to be 11,313]

i'll do the maximum to convince people that he is the right man.

Don't. You can't. Let him have time to prove it because that's the only way can know.

[Leif 6,006]

In an ideal world Mourinho would come back as would Peter Kenyon with the dismissal of Gourlay and/or Buck with a suitable replacement being brought in to replace the latter.

I also want Hiddink back on board in some form, perhaps as DoF if we must have one, but that won't be happening, will it?

Back to Football Manager to fulfil my fantasies I go..

[bushman 2,043]

Should anyone ever doubt Jose ?

I do not think so. Currently, the best manager there is, I feel. Well liked among the players & respected too.