The Mourinho Thread

[didierforever 7,349]

So he didnt actually say it did he.

he agrees with "joining the biggest club in the country". did not he?

[Rhino's Skin 972]

he agrees with "joining the biggest club in the country". did not he?

Am afraid this is where different ways of expressing English mean different things.

Joe Cole as a Chelsea supporter was saying that like a 'whatever' statement.

Wasnt agreeing at all

[Spike 12,049]

joe cole had said that pool is the best club in england or something like that. players say stupid things for the sake of it for their current clubs. just saying.

He didn't actually. He was asked if he agreed that 'Historically, Liverpool are the most successful club in England', he responded 'I suppose if you put it like that, yeah.'

[didierforever 7,349]

Am afraid this is where different ways of expressing English mean different things.

Joe Cole as a Chelsea supporter was saying that like a 'whatever' statement.

Wasnt agreeing at all

hence what i wrote above "obviously no player is going to bad mouth their current employ. i am not sure exactly what tibo had said, but i would rather believe my own eyes and something which is so apparently clear as the day and night on which team is better in attack."

[Rhino's Skin 972]

You dont get it do you.

We are not talking about which team is better in attack.......we are talking about which manager has a more defensive thought process. Courtois said they are similar but Simeone thinks more defensively.

[Tomo 21,754]

You dont get it do you.

We are not talking about which team is better in attack.......we are talking about which manager has a more defensive thought process. Courtois said they are similar but Simeone thinks more defensively.

Maybe he was saying who sets up better defensively? As Tibo during his time with both managers he had a lot more protection in Spain.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

Maybe he was saying who sets up better defensively? As Tibo during his time with both managers he had a lot more protection in Spain.

Maybe.....we all know that Simeone protects the back 3rd tactically very well and obviously drills his players into that thought process.

But am glad you didnt have to bring in othet factors such as a Joe Cole interview to support your point ;-)

[didierforever 7,349]

You dont get it do you.

We are not talking about which team is better in attack.......we are talking about which manager has a more defensive thought process. Courtois said they are similar but Simeone thinks more defensively.

can u give me a link to that interview

all i could find is this http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=2209081.html

which has nothing of that sort.

also, in that way, i feel pep has a more defensive thought process than jose. pep uses attack/possession to slow the game down and bore the other team to death. but irrespective of that, they can actually teach their respective teams on how to attack.

[DDA 10,283]

I know who i would like to see here.. But the time isn't now.

Jimmy Floyd ?

[Stats 7,230]

Because that's short termism and we're running out of managers; plus the match day fans (myself included) still love Mourinho; unless it's someone previously connected to the club like Di Matteo or Zola I honestly think the fans will revolt, the atmosphere will become toxic and if it emerges that the players forced him out there will be revolt, there is no desire at all from the stands to sack him, Roman knows it because he hears the name sung every Saturday from his box.

All I can say is that be careful what you wish for. Sacking a fan favourite will not go down well with anybody. It's also another reason why Mourinho will not drop John Terry, the one thing fans will not take is dropping the heart and soul of the club and possibly the best player we've seen in the shirt in times like this. Jose needs stability, lieutenants he can trust (yes, that's why Iva still gets his spot on he team) because it seems like the dressing room is cracking at the seams and he needs glue to hold it together.

Well that is not true is it? After our 3-1 loss to Everton, Mourinho dropped Terry for the Maccabi Tel Aviv game. He then was also left on the bench in our 2-0 victory over Arsenal. We then had a game against Walsall where he was reinstated in to the team because he had been dropped from our main 11 and that was a game for the 'backup' players. After the Walsall game, he then went back on to the bench for successive games against Newcastle and Porto and assuming Mourinho is in charge by Saturday, it would not surprise me to see him start Cahill and Zouma.

Indeed. Mourinho is a manager that needs non-football challenges to thrive, that is the challenge to 'finally beat this or that'. At Chelsea the first time, he had the challenge to make the 'new-rich' club to win the league and to make it one of the best club in Europe. Once it was made, the 'motivation' game no longer worked. At Inter, he had the challenge to finally make Inter win in CL (after Mancini disappointing runs) and to be the team to beat Pep' Barcelona in CL. Once it was done, he flew in search of a new challenge. At Madrid, he had the challenge to be the one to put an end to Pep's Barça. Once Pep was no longer there, there was no thing to be motivated for/against. At Chelsea, he had the challenge to make the 'little horse' win against Manchester City*. Once Chelsea is no longer the little horse, it collapses. So yeah, the defy left for Chelsea is to win with style—but 'style' is not in his vocab. When you are the Champion, it is rather hard to act as the under-dog and to be motivated to beat the mighty Stoke. At one point, motivation is not enough to win, you need to add tactic and technic (and enjoyment).

But yeah, he certainly would be a great fit for the United job. As you said, they are the perfect match. He would even be able to sell Mata a second time.

*this point is worth to open a new discussion. One might argue that he actually made Chelsea wear the 'little horse' dress on purpose (consciously or unconsciously) in order to create a challenge for which he could get the best individually of his players—and in the process, hindering us to develop further (that season) either by trying to win directly or by developing our play (because had we been better with the ball, we would not have been the 'little horse').

Such an excellent poster. Wish you would post more.

[quickpassnmove 924]

oh myyyyy... the news on on Sheva returning to Chelsea giving me a laughing fit.

[xPetrCechx 13,598]

Jason Burt: "#Chelsea are looking at replacements right now and they have pretty much made the decision to move Mourinho on." [bBC]

The end is very close for #Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho, but only if the club can find the right replacement. [bBC]

Jason Burt: "That debate has been going on for weeks, losing to Leicester intensified it because they expected to lose that game." [bBC]

Done?...

[didierforever 7,349]

Jason Burt: "#Chelsea are looking at replacements right now and they have pretty much made the decision to move Mourinho on." [bBC]

The end is very close for #Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho, but only if the club can find the right replacement. [bBC]

Jason Burt: "That debate has been going on for weeks, losing to Leicester intensified it because they expected to lose that game." [bBC]

Done?...

thank god!!

[Jase 43,479]

Jason Burt: "#Chelsea are looking at replacements right now and they have pretty much made the decision to move Mourinho on." [bBC]

The end is very close for #Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho, but only if the club can find the right replacement. [bBC]

Jason Burt: "That debate has been going on for weeks, losing to Leicester intensified it because they expected to lose that game." [bBC]

Done?...

If the club had expected us to lose to Leciester on Monday, then why would a loss intensified the need to sack Mourinho? If anything, it's his post-match outburst that has driven the club (and practically almost everyone else) over the edge.

[didierforever 7,349]

If the club had expected us to lose to Leciester on Monday, then why would a loss intensified the need to sack Mourinho? If anything, it's his post-match outburst that has driven the club (and practically almost everyone else) over the edge.

actually i agree to the thought process.

losing to leicester was "expected". that is what we have come down to.

our expectations have come down from PL or CL to not even expecting a point against leicester. i can understand why that would set off alarm bells.

i felt his post match to be very good. jose was an idiot to stick with cunts like costa and cesc and average players like oscar for so long. i just hope he backs himself up drops all the underperforming deadwood (costa, cesc,oscar, iva, jt), wins the bloody game and then shoves it in everyone's face. even if its supposed to be his last game, i just hope he makes a statement.

[Jase 43,479]

i felt his post match to be very good. jose was an idiot to stick with cunts like costa and cesc and average players like oscar for so long. i just hope he backs himself up drops all the underperforming deadwood (costa, cesc,oscar, iva, jt), wins the bloody game and then shoves it in everyone's face. even if its supposed to be his last game, i just hope he makes a statement.

The thing is, whether right or wrong, Mourinho has tried a lot of things to get a reaction from the players and none have worked. He's backed them to the hilt (e.g. Costa) and still doesn't get anything. He's criticized them and still doesn't get anything. At this point, he's probably taking things further up a notch and see it if works. And if it doesn't, then he's surely dragged those under-performers down with him.

[Adnane 1,101]

Ramos will steady the ship and get us to safety. These players are good enough to guarantee that. It's pretty obvious this 'slump' is down to the fact that they desperately want to see the back of mourinho and are not playing for him. As soon as he's gone they will magically regain their form again.

If it's the case, then we are in a really, really, really bad place as a club.

You play for the crest and the supporters, not for Mourinho, if you ever jeopardize that for own personal account, then you are invited to fuck off as soon as possible from the club.

[Rmpr 8,977]

The thing is, whether right or wrong, Mourinho has tried a lot of things to get a reaction from the players and none have worked. He's backed them to the hill (e.g. Costa) and still doesn't get anything. He's criticized them and still doesn't get anything. At this point, he's probably taking things further up a notch and see it if works. And if it doesn't, then he's surely dragged those under-performers down with him.

Honestly, if Mourinho thinks that his post match comments are what will make the players react differently, he is the most unprepared and naive coach of the century.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Honestly, if Mourinho thinks that his post match comments are what will make the players react differently, he is the most unprepared and naive coach of the century.

All of the above and then add in 'Richest'

[Jase 43,479]

Honestly, if Mourinho thinks that his post match comments are what will make the players react differently, he is the most unprepared and naive coach of the century.

There is that but desperate times call for desperate measures. The players want to prove him wrong and show everyone that last season's success was not all down to him. That being said though, given what has happened this season, the players are more likely to be upset and furious with him than trying to prove him wrong.