Petr Cech

[Ossie the King 634]

Hahaha, no!

I'm pretty sure that if Tibo won't go to real for 50m he will set more records that Cech. The kid is one of the best even maybe the best goalkeeper in the world, and he is only 23! Cech wanted a move to Arsenal and we are not that club to keep players even if they want a move.

There's a difference between not keeping a player and letting a great player make a despised team into a title contender against the coach's wishes.

Roman fucked Jose and this club with that move but he doesn't work with Arsenal fans or know what that rivalry is because he's not one of us.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,890]

14 hours ago, Ossie the King said:

Hahaha, no!

I'm pretty sure that if Tibo won't go to real for 50m he will set more records that Cech. The kid is one of the best even maybe the best goalkeeper in the world, and he is only 23! Cech wanted a move to Arsenal and we are not that club to keep players even if they want a move.

There's a difference between not keeping a player and letting a great player make a despised team into a title contender against the coach's wishes.

 

Roman fucked Jose and this club with that move but he doesn't work with Arsenal fans or know what that rivalry is because he's not one of us.

I don't see this the same way as you do for at least three reasons.

First, I'm proud of my club for doing what I think is the right thing. Petr did his job here for many years but all he deserves for that is his salary. Beyond earning his pay however, he also won a place in the hearts of Chelsea fans and that gets him more than mere cash. I'd rather Arsenal win the league than we say to a club legend, a man we love, that he can no longer start here and that if he wants to start elsewhere he has to uproot his family and move abroad, or else he must join a team which is not competitive. Our owner may be a child of the Soviet era, but he isn't running a Gulag.

Second, I do not believe this move was against Jose's wishes at all. If you remember Jose's initial comments on Petr's situation he talked about Petr being a special case, of being proud that this club recognises the right of a legend to choose. He said that a number of times in a number of press conferences and only much later did he start to contradict that position. I have not a single shred of evidence to support what I'm about to write but nevertheless I believe that TSO's change of tune was fake and that he was put up to it by Maria Granovskaia to help her negotiating position with Arsenal.

Third, Arsenal are not a zillion points ahead of us because they signed a good player. They are are ahead of us because we signed too many bad ones. The only way I would ever want to see Arsenal win the league is if the alternative was that Liverpool or Spurs would win it instead. Other than that, I'd hate to see Wenger's lot claim the title but if they do, so be it. I'm still proud that Chelsea showed class.

[Ossie the King 634]

27 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

I don't see this the same way as you do for at least three reasons.

First, I'm proud of my club for doing what I think is the right thing. Petr did his job here for many years but all he deserves for that is his salary. Beyond earning his pay however, he also won a place in the hearts of Chelsea fans and that gets him more than mere cash. I'd rather Arsenal win the league than we say to a club legend, a man we love, that he can no longer start here and that if he wants to start elsewhere he has to uproot his family and move abroad, or else he must join a team which is not competitive. Our owner may be a child of the Soviet era, but he isn't running a Gulag.

Second, I do not believe this move was against Jose's wishes at all. If you remember Jose's initial comments on Petr's situation he talked about Petr being a special case, of being proud that this club recognises the right of a legend to choose. He said that a number of times in a number of press conferences and only much later did he start to contradict that position. I have not a single shred of evidence to support what I'm about to write but nevertheless I believe that TSO's change of tune was fake and that he was put up to it by Maria Granovskaia to help her negotiating position with Arsenal.

Third, Arsenal are not a zillion points ahead of us because they signed a good player. They are are ahead of us because we signed too many bad ones. The only way I would ever want to see Arsenal win the league is if the alternative was that Liverpool or Spurs would win it instead. Other than that, I'd hate to see Wenger's lot claim the title but if they do, so be it. I'm still proud that Chelsea showed class.

 

I get that thinking, I do. I think the idea of it being a Gulag is a bit hysterical though. Petr chose to be a footballer, just like you or I chose our careers and just like you or I he understood that to maximise his earnings he'd probably have to move abroad. He's known that ever since he left the Czech Republic to move to France. I love the man, but again he's a grown man. These are things we have to deal with as adults.

 

As for Jose, there are various reports that he didn't want him to go to Arsenal and that Roman sanctioned the deal. Based on everything we know about Jose and Wenger's relationship, and Jose's relationship with winning I tend to believe those reports. That brings me to your third point that Arsenal have been lacking a leader and a top-class keeper for a decade. Every pundit and supporter knew this, and we gifted them both for what is at best a fair price. He's been the difference for them in a number of matches, most recently yesterday and he's made them proper contenders and absolutely no-one should be surprised by that.

 

Maybe if we'd been contenders too it wouldn't matter, but because the board have fucked up so badly this past summer and gave up on the title before a ball had been kicked then it wouldn't matter. But there's every chance that Arsenal will win the title and whilst we can talk about being classy to Pete and not forcing him to work in a Gulag/spend a few years in a beautiful city like Paris (oh the horror, someone phone The Hague) I think it would've been classier for Roman to think about his fellow Chelsea supporters/customers and not put them through the shitshow that would be Arsenal winning the title.

 

But I also think it would be a great way for Roman to pile more shit on Jose. He says Wenger is a 'Specialist in Failure' so Roman does what he can to help him win the title. 

 

But I do understand your points. I just disagree and for me the focus isn't on what's best for Pete, but what's best for this club and it's supporters going forward. Always has been, always will be.

[Laylabelle 9,345]

Plus when the deal when through many felt he wouldn't make a difference due to their squad and Arsenal being Arsenal..which at the moment complete opposite.He has made a huge difference there but daft not to expect him to.class player and deserves another trophy even if not with us..just shame may be with arsenal lol.Hey ho

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Fuck this shit. Hope Courtois smashes his record at Chelsea..

 

Oh Big Pete, why?!

[OhForAGreavsie 5,890]

21 hours ago, Ossie the King said:

 

I get that thinking, I do. I think the idea of it being a Gulag is a bit hysterical though. Petr chose to be a footballer, just like you or I chose our careers and just like you or I he understood that to maximise his earnings he'd probably have to move abroad. He's known that ever since he left the Czech Republic to move to France. I love the man, but again he's a grown man. These are things we have to deal with as adults.

 

As for Jose, there are various reports that he didn't want him to go to Arsenal and that Roman sanctioned the deal. Based on everything we know about Jose and Wenger's relationship, and Jose's relationship with winning I tend to believe those reports. That brings me to your third point that Arsenal have been lacking a leader and a top-class keeper for a decade. Every pundit and supporter knew this, and we gifted them both for what is at best a fair price. He's been the difference for them in a number of matches, most recently yesterday and he's made them proper contenders and absolutely no-one should be surprised by that.

 

Maybe if we'd been contenders too it wouldn't matter, but because the board have fucked up so badly this past summer and gave up on the title before a ball had been kicked then it wouldn't matter. But there's every chance that Arsenal will win the title and whilst we can talk about being classy to Pete and not forcing him to work in a Gulag/spend a few years in a beautiful city like Paris (oh the horror, someone phone The Hague) I think it would've been classier for Roman to think about his fellow Chelsea supporters/customers and not put them through the shitshow that would be Arsenal winning the title.

 

But I also think it would be a great way for Roman to pile more shit on Jose. He says Wenger is a 'Specialist in Failure' so Roman does what he can to help him win the title. 

 

But I do understand your points. I just disagree and for me the focus isn't on what's best for Pete, but what's best for this club and it's supporters going forward. Always has been, always will be.

Yes, we know that Jose said he was against the move. The point is he only started saying that after he had said several times that he believed Big Pete deserved to be allowed to make his own choice. He even said he was proud of Chelsea for being the kind of club that would make such a decision. He said it in more than one press conference which I watched and I'm convinced he was being genuine. Only later did he start saying that he didn't want Petr to join a rival and I've explained why I think his public statements changed.

I don't believe for a nano second that Roman wants to make any negative gestures towards Jose. The decision to allow Petr to choose was made by decent people who did the right thing. I'm proud of them.

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58 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Yes, we know that Jose said he was against the move. The point is he only started saying that after he had said several times that he believed Big Pete deserved to be allowed to make his own choice. He even said he was proud of Chelsea for being the kind of club that would make such a decision. He said it in more than one press conference which I watched and I'm convinced he was being genuine. Only later did he start saying that he didn't want Petr to join a rival and I've explained why I think his public statements changed.

I don't believe for a nano second that Roman wants to make any negative gestures towards Jose. The decision to allow Petr to choose was made by decent people who did the right thing. I'm proud of them.

 

You have your theories. Mine is that he was against strengthening a direct, reviled rival (for obvious reasons) but that he towed the party line, just like he would later on in the season when he didn't give the board the criticism they deserved for failing to deliver the reinforcements the squad needed. The guy even kept smiling when he was served up with Papy which is why I think Roman stuck with him longer than he might have otherwise. I think Jose actually bit his tongue.

 

You think it's the right thing but I think that doing best by the fans and the best interests of this club is the right thing. Instead we strengthened Arsene Wenger's squad. 

[Tomo 21,730]

I don't know who I'm more wound up at, Roman for letting him go to Arsenal or Cech for actually doing it.

How can anyone spend 11 years here and want to go anywhere near that club is beyond me.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

6 minutes ago, Tomo said:

I don't know who I'm more wound up at, Roman for letting him go to Arsenal or Cech for actually doing it.

How can anyone spend 11 years here and want to go anywhere near that club is beyond me.

Is it? I mean it's pretty obvious. He did not wish to move his family to a new City and wanted to break the EPL record for CSs and Arsenal was the only big club in the EPL needing a keeper.

Of course you can say that is not enough or unjustified, but the reasons are pretty clear, imo. 

[Cosmin 2,484]

The man cannot be criticized under any circumstances. He did everything for this club, he was an inch away from losing his life while wearing a Chelsea jersey, so no one can judge him. No matter for how long he stays at the Gunners, he will always be remembered as a Chelsea man. Big Pete is a Chelsea legend and he deserves respect. Well done, Pete!

P.S.: I am still not sure that giving up on him and making Courtois our #1 was the best choice. I mean, it's not that impossible to find a decent goalkeeper. We would've found someone else if Courtois wanted to go. And Pete was not only a great keeper, but also a club legend and a leader. But that's what it is, it's too late to regret it. 

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13 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

 

 

13 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Yes, we know that Jose said he was against the move. The point is he only started saying that after he had said several times that he believed Big Pete deserved to be allowed to make his own choice. He even said he was proud of Chelsea for being the kind of club that would make such a decision. He said it in more than one press conference which I watched and I'm convinced he was being genuine. Only later did he start saying that he didn't want Petr to join a rival and I've explained why I think his public statements changed.

 

Most probably because at the time (like a lot is us) he thought Cech was going to PSG.......so when the Arsenal stuff changed from paper talk to strong rumours and agents getting involved ...did Jose up the ante about the move.....and too damn right as well.

Cechs move to Arsenal far outweighed the implications of free agent Lampards move to the City group in New York and Manchester.

 

Judas ;=)

[Tomo 21,730]

2 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

Is it? I mean it's pretty obvious. He did not wish to move his family to a new City and wanted to break the EPL record for CSs and Arsenal was the only big club in the EPL needing a keeper.

Of course you can say that is not enough or unjustified, but the reasons are pretty clear, imo. 

Im sure it would have been easier for Drogba to stay in London/England after leaving in 2012 but he didn't. I'm sure it would have been easier for Henry to stay in London after leaving Arsenal (we would have had him let's be honest) but he didn't.

As Term said with Lampard, when a legacy is built at a club you just don't play for a rival, you only need to look at what Nedved said about Jose approaching him for Inter, he gave up playing under the special one and a treble to protect his legacy at Juve.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying he's a traitor or everything he's done for us is forgotten, far from it, but i can't pretend I'm happy he's at Arsenal and going to spend the next few years hoping we lose every weekend.

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3 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

Is it? I mean it's pretty obvious. He did not wish to move his family to a new City and wanted to break the EPL record for CSs and Arsenal was the only big club in the EPL needing a keeper.

Of course you can say that is not enough or unjustified, but the reasons are pretty clear, imo. 

I'm glad we have Courtois but it's hard to watch Cech potentially lead Arsenal to their first title in the Abramovich era

Hopefully City go on a run and win the title.

[Ossie the King 634]

10 hours ago, Tomo said:

I don't know who I'm more wound up at, Roman for letting him go to Arsenal or Cech for actually doing it.

How can anyone spend 11 years here and want to go anywhere near that club is beyond me.

He wanted to play football at the top level and that's totally understandable. Same with Frank. You can't benefit from a player's competitive instinct for over a decade then criticise them for it.

The fault lies entirely with Roman for sanctioning the deal. 

[Tomo 21,730]

58 minutes ago, Ossie the King said:

He wanted to play football at the top level and that's totally understandable. Same with Frank. You can't benefit from a player's competitive instinct for over a decade then criticise them for it.

The fault lies entirely with Roman for sanctioning the deal. 

Drogba would have had his pick of English clubs if he wanted them when he left in 2012, but he decided to 100% protect his legacy,  not that Lamps or Cech have lost that here, but I wonder if anyone favrouite player couple of years back was Lampard or Cech but have since changed to Didieror Terry, maybe without even thinking in some cases.

It's a similar situation to a certain Dane goalie at United, still a legend, but his decision to play for a rival later onputs a bit of an elephant in the room.

You are right they have the right to decide what they want to do, but fans also have the right to feel how they want to feel.

[Ossie the King 634]

5 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Drogba would have had his pick of English clubs if he wanted them when he left in 2012, but he decided to 100% protect his legacy,  not that Lamps or Cech have lost that here, but I wonder if anyone favrouite player couple of years back was Lampard or Cech but have since changed to Didieror Terry, maybe without even thinking in some cases.

It's a similar situation to a certain Dane goalie at United, still a legend, but his decision to play for a rival later onputs a bit of an elephant in the room.

You are right they have the right to decide what they want to do, but fans also have the right to feel how they want to feel.

Drogba was being offered £200k p/w to play in China. Not a single club in England could have offered him close to that amount. I don't for a minute think Frank tainted his legacy, nor did Big Pete at United. Maybe a few fans threw their toys out of the pram but even over time they come around.

I can't find fault with Cech. We chose to let him leave to a rival even though he was under contract. At best it was naive.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

A shame we don't have the gooners later in the season; it would've been nice to put their title hopes to the sword in April.

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If he was still at Chels it would be "Chelsea star takes seat from pensioner" or "Chelsea thug pushes black man off a train"

 

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