Lack of English players in the squad

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

I have a high hope with Bamford for next season as 3rd choice striker. We already have Blackman, Beeney, Baker in our squad. So I think it is enough for now.

[Dy-lan 142]

Izzy Brown and RLC have been promoted to full first team players.

I don't expect Brown to get many minutes, but I can see RLC getting a few if we're up a few goals against a weak side.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Too bad Hutchinson had his injury problems. I am certain he would be starter now if he wasnt injured all the time.

He looked so promising in 2010.

[WilsonMay 12]

Ruben Loftus Cheek? i think he is our near future.

[robsblubot 3,595]

Lots of young english talent out there, but inflated prices and the unknown makes then a difficult bet.

Kane is looking like the real deal. Jones is young player; stone even younger. Only to name players who could contribute, because if we talk about squad then a number of English players could do better than what mikel does. Barry to name one.

[Reddish-Blue 2,509]

I have a high hope with Bamford for next season as 3rd choice striker. We already have Blackman, Beeney, Baker in our squad. So I think it is enough for now.

Baker is on loan at Sheffield Wednesday

[Viper22 2,418]

Lots of young english talent out there, but inflated prices and the unknown makes then a difficult bet.

Kane is looking like the real deal. Jones is young player; stone even younger. Only to name players who could contribute, because if we talk about squad then a number of English players could do better than what mikel does. Barry to name one.

Look, I am far from Mikel's biggest fan. But if rather have him on the bench than a 33yr old Gareth Barry. Henderson is the only English CM that is better than Mikel.

Kane has only looked good for 6months, chill out before saying he's the real deal. Remember all the fuss about Wilshere, Townsend and even Sterling to a certain extent?

It's like Ryan and a few others have said. Whatever way you want to cut it, the quality if English players coming through ATM is horrifically low. And even the ones who could be good enough will be ridiculous transfer fees which in the days of FFP we can't afford.

If you made a realistic combined squad of Chelsea + Any English players then let's be honest it'd look like this:

Courtois, Azpilicueta, JT, Zouma, Luis, Matic, Fabregas, Hazard, Willian, Cuadrado, Costa.

Subs: Cech, Ivanovic, Cahill, Henderson, Sterling, Oscar, Sturridge.

And Henderson, Sterling and Sturridge would all fetch £40M+ price tags on a good day.

I was always a big fan of having English players in our team. But until English players become better (better coaches and PL B teams needed IMO) then I'd much rather have no Englishmen and actually win some trophies than have 4/5 in the starting 11 and become a team like Spurs.

[quickpassnmove 924]

Arsenal and Liverpool have a core of English players now, i would love Chelsea to have to same, hopefully in a few more years that'll change.

Walcott, Chambermaid, Chambers, Welbeck... Walcott's good, Ox is becoming good, Gibbs is always injured. Question on England is: where's the next S. Gerrard or excellent CM? at Tottenham? there are a few guys out there I like, but IDK if they're coming to Chelsea anytime soon.

I genuinely like RLC though; have high hopes for him.

[Thendo 1,088]

Daily Mail actually published a surprisingly good piece on how our academy is one of the best in the country and how a large amount of the youngsters are from the local area. Hopefully more of them can get more involved in the first team in the future, I rather we focus on our own young talent than spend crazy amounts for players only because they are english or homegrown, especially in these ffp days.

A good read : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2937796/It-s-not-quite-Jody-Morris-cleaning-Dennis-Wise-s-boots-Chelsea-filling-youth-teams-local-heroes.html

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Baker is on loan at Sheffield Wednesday

Damn, I forgot about that. Thx.

[lionsden 4,689]

We are blessed with English talents from our own academy. Loftus Cheek, Baker, Palmer,Solanke and Jay da silva are top top prospects who, if handled correctly, can adequately replace the English nucleus of our team in the future. But I trust us to fuck it up and not produce any regular first team members out of this crop of talented youngsters.

[iseah100 5,612]

Bamford

[LDN Blue 7,903]

But I trust us to fuck it up and not produce any regular first team members out of this crop of talented youngsters.

Do you? I've seen too many come and go to faith faith now smh

I feel like Bamford, RLC, Baker, Brown etc will all end up on a rubbish loan somewhere. Their hype will die down and they'll be swallowed up into the abyss of our failing academy.

..Would loved to be proven wrong.

[lionsden 4,689]

Do you? I've seen too many come and go to faith faith now smh

I feel like Bamford, RLC, Baker, Brown etc will all end up on a rubbish loan somewhere. Their hype will die down and they'll be swallowed up into the abyss of our failing academy.

..Would loved to be proven wrong

You read that wrong. "I trust us TO fuck it up" meaning I have no faith or confidence i our ability to turn any of these youngsters into a proper first team player at Chelsea so We actually agree with each other.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

You read that wrong. "I trust us TO fuck it up". We actually agree with each other.

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It's such a massive frustration. That's why I simply can't get excited about these young players anymore. It's just unfair to see how good players are and not being nurtured appropriately.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Well when did we sign last english player? Was it Cahill in jan 2012?

Thats 3 years since we brought home player and its terrible.

As much players like Barkley will cost a fortune and might never make it here, we will NEED to buy few of them to fill homegrown quota, but also to have some english blood here. It would be sad not to have any of them even if we win all kind of titles.

While Ox and Sterling look like best among young players, they will never be sold to us.

Then we have Stones who I believe wouldnt get in our team anytime soon. Zouma is already youngster to play here. Barkley or Prowse would add some midfield creativity and would fit bench well, but not much more than that unless they seriously improve. But not sure if its worth 30m for another bench player. Clyne IMO is best choice we can buy atm and would fill well to replace aging Iva. But even Clyne who is good player, will have to step big time to be starter here.

All said, we will have to spend 30m on english player or two, and even if they rot on bench for rest of their career.

[DYC. 7,542]

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It's such a massive frustration. That's why I simply can't get excited about these young players anymore. It's just unfair to see how good players are and not being nurtured appropriately.

It's the same thing over and over again. A new group of 'highly talented' youngsters are making some kind of impact at youth level, and fans get all excited and predicting those players to make it through. It doesn't happen. And then a new group comes through and fans claim these (some) youngsters will make it. Ask them about the old group and you'll hear 'oh, they weren't good enough'. And so it goes on.

I stopped getting excited after the Bruma, Kakuta etc. generation, and now I honestly don't care anymore. The club would have to make a conscious decision to try to develop first team players through the youth academy. That's clearly not the case. And you need a good bit of luck as well. You can't develop a Marco Van Basten or a Lionel Messi. Or even a player like Seedorf or Schweinsteiger. Ajax are famed for their academy but it's been a while since they've had a top player come through their ranks. Barca had their golden generation, but it's not the same now either. But the difference is, if they do spot a huge talent in the youth , they'll work very hard to make sure that player makes it. Whereas, only a Messi-esque talent has a shot here I think.

Edit: They do develop squad players regularly though. Utd and Arsenal do the same. That's something I'd like to see at Chelsea.

Anyway, I've learned to accept the current situation. If we get to see more situations like with Zouma, that's fine too. Young players growing up at Chelsea and eventually forming a strong bond with the club. The club really needs to work on those death loans though. It's obviously not a effective way of helping youngsters really develop. Neither do they feel a need to make it at Chelsea per se.

[Tomo 21,751]

Nathaniel Clyne is staring us in the face.

Re the youth promotion, last time we tried giving youth a high role in the squad before their time our squad stagnated and we were in a mess for 4 years. Im all for giving youth a chance, but when I hear we should ditch experienced players like Mikel and throw an untested youngster in............

[Tomo 21,751]

It's the same thing over and over again. A new group of 'highly talented' youngsters are making some kind of impact at youth level, and fans get all excited and predicting those players to make it through. It doesn't happen. And then a new group comes through and fans claim these (some) youngsters will make it. Ask them about the old group and you'll hear 'oh, they weren't good enough'. And so it goes on.

I stopped getting excited after the Bruma, Kakuta etc. generation, and now I honestly don't care anymore. The club would have to make a conscious decision to try to develop first team players through the youth academy. That's clearly not the case. And you need a good bit of luck as well. You can't develop a Marco Van Basten or a Lionel Messi. Or even a player like Seedorf or Schweinsteiger. Ajax are famed for their academy but it's been a while since they've had a top player come through their ranks. Barca had their golden generation, but it's not the same now either. But the difference is, if they do spot a huge talent in the youth , they'll work very hard to make sure that player makes it. Whereas, only a Messi-esque talent has a shot here I think.

Edit: They do develop squad players regularly though. Utd and Arsenal do the same. That's something I'd like to see at Chelsea.

Anyway, I've learned to accept the current situation. If we get to see more situations like with Zouma, that's fine too. Young players growing up at Chelsea and eventually forming a strong bond with the club. The club really needs to work on those death loans though. It's obvious not a effective way of helping youngsters really develop. Neither do they feel a need to make it at Chelsea per se.

Bruma was a wreck every time I saw him play, he had a glorious chance at Hamburg to put his name in the hat and spectacularly blew it.

With the loans, Tibo and to an extent Sturridge show that great loans will be rewarded.

[DYC. 7,542]

Bruma was a wreck every time I saw him play, he had a glorious chance at Hamburg to put his name in the hat and spectacularly blew it.

With the loans, Tibo and to an extent Sturridge show that great loans will be rewarded.

There was plenty of hype surrounding Bruma at youth level. Even achieving a little first team football. That was my point. It's always a completely different game when you play with the big boys.

Tibo doesn't count. First choice GK at a club like Atletico as a teenager. Obviously a rare talent. Sturridge did well at Bolton, yeah. But for Sturridge, there are like a hundred players with very disappointing loan spells. And Sturridge was dropped, and eventually let go of course, very quickly after a dip in form, a normal occurrence for any young player. Not a great example of giving young players chances.