Cesc Fàbregas

[Styles 9,790]

13 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

His passing today has absolutely nothing to do with the opposition, it's pure ability.

He has numerous deficiencies such as lack of pace and positional awareness that can be costly against the 'bigger' teams, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he is the best passer on the league. 

Eh? His passing had everything to do with the opposition and the way they played him. We all know Fabregas is capable of making great passes when he has all the time and space in the world.

He very rarely makes great plays when he has opposition players pressing him.

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4 hours ago, chelseafan26 said:

Pirlo must die a little every time when he gets compared to cesc. 

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2 hours ago, Styles said:

Eh? His passing had everything to do with the opposition and the way they played him. We all know Fabregas is capable of making great passes when he has all the time and space in the world.

He very rarely makes great plays when he has opposition players pressing him.

Yeah and how many players have that ability to make those passes? That's why he is the best passer in the league in terms of ability.

Btw, most of the key passes he made yesterday were one-touch, so the argument about time is pretty weak in this particular case. 

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49 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

Yeah and how many players have that ability to make those passes? That's why he is the best passer in the league in terms of ability.

Who knows, but that's what stops Fabregas from being an elite playmaker.

He may well be the best passer in the league but conditions have to be absolutely perfect for him to showcase said ability.

52 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

Btw, most of the key passes he made yesterday were one-touch, so the argument about time is pretty weak in this particular case. 

Not really, he was in acres of space throughout the game and to his credit, he took full advantage.

If only we could play Bournemouth every week.

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3 hours ago, Styles said:

Eh? His passing had everything to do with the opposition and the way they played him. We all know Fabregas is capable of making great passes when he has all the time and space in the world.

He very rarely makes great plays when he has opposition players pressing him.

Come on. You credited and discredited him in the same sentence.

TBF you know that when Pirlo had a marker on him he was non-existed ? There's a reason why he was left out by Milan and thrived in Juventus in the right system with Vidal and Marchisio. Even Xavi in Barca bad days, when they're not dominating is not very good. Still remember the horror show he gave against Bayern in 2012/13 ? He even was substituted early in the second half in the second-leg.

Cesc is no Xavi in terms of keeping the possession however Cesc is still good when no one is throwing him under the bus.

Yes, you have to provide Cesc a platform to perform. He has world-class abilities, however he has deficiencies that in bad shape can turn him into the worst player on the pitch.

Otherwise don't bother.

I'm starting to love Cesc, his off the pitch interviews and quotes are great and on the field he can be great and I hope we can make him look great next season.

 

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6 hours ago, chelseafan26 said:

Pirlo must die a little every time when he gets compared to cesc. 

If fabregas couldn't do the pirlo role pjanic or rakitic would be perfect for that role if we were to sign any off them players

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If he cant play against opposition that presses high, then he should not start here, simple as that. 

And I must say Im positively surprised regarding his comments lately and passion he gives. But if he wont show that leadership on pitch, its pointless.

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Why dont we all hold our horses and give ourselves one more week. Why dont we see how the apparent "best passer" in the league performs against one of the best drilled teams and pressing teams in the league. 

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2 hours ago, Styles said:

Who knows, but that's what stops Fabregas from being an elite playmaker.

He may well be the best passer in the league but conditions have to be absolutely perfect for him to showcase said ability.

Not really, he was in acres of space throughout the game and to his credit, he took full advantage.

If only we could play Bournemouth every week.

Didn't state anything that differs with any of the above. Also, I specifically said 'time' not space because there was obviously lots of space yesterday.

Of course he's no Pirlo (and even Pirlo was marked out of plenty of matches in his time at Juve), but I think we can create a system where we can capitalize a lot more on his passing abilities if Conte wishes to. 

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1 hour ago, BlueLyon said:

If he cant play against opposition that presses high, then he should not start here, simple as that. 

And I must say Im positively surprised regarding his comments lately and passion he gives. But if he wont show that leadership on pitch, its pointless.

You need to adapt to the players you have. 

Look at the style we play with Drogba and Cech. It made no sense to pass from the back. 

Once we got smaller players this system no longer made sense till we got Diego. 

A good coach will do his best to adjust to the players he has and or bring players to complement what we he has. And giving that we are not spending much like in the past this is vital today. 

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1 hour ago, Fernando said:

You need to adapt to the players you have. 

Look at the style we play with Drogba and Cech. It made no sense to pass from the back. 

Once we got smaller players this system no longer made sense till we got Diego. 

A good coach will do his best to adjust to the players he has and or bring players to complement what we he has. And giving that we are not spending much like in the past this is vital today. 

I am sorry but you seem to be contradicting yourself. Cesc with the likes of Mikel, Matic (other slow midfielders) is a shambles. We need atleast 2 defensively GREAT and mobile midfielders to compensate for cesc, which would cost us another 60-100mil pounds. Hence, why keeping Cesc actually makes none to little sense at the club.

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I am sorry but you seem to be contradicting yourself. Cesc with the likes of Mikel, Matic (other slow midfielders) is a shambles. We need atleast 2 defensively GREAT and mobile midfielders to compensate for cesc, which would cost us another 60-100mil pounds. Hence, why keeping Cesc actually makes none to little sense at the club.

I can't see him going, who would offer him a better package?

No one, so he stays put!

He's a definite starter next season, perhaps even the new captain.

Worst case, because he can't walk the talk!

I would also sell him in a heartbeat, but we have to accommodate the team for him.

A man can hope, but most likely either Oscar or Matic will be still around, so it's important that we get the third man

Mr. X right.

[LondonsFinest 692]

Do people even realise what @CHOULO19 means by 'Pirlo role'?

 

Ofcourse you don't, because you've watched 5% of Juve's 3 man midfield to know it. Marchisio and Vidal have the workrate of a horse and the tackling ability to be able to grant Pirlo the space he needed to operate and string the game. Can Fabregas do that?

Yes, he can. Because he does it, when he isn't pressured by opponents. How can he do it? 

When we buy a proper technical CM( Naingollan) and keep Matic(on-form) or buy the X midfielder who is in the same mould as Naingollan and they grant Fabregas the freedom to dictate play.

I'm not saying he is Pirlo, no. BUT, Pirlo was and is a defensive liability. The fact he played the DM role was a pure tactical choice, so that he is the maestro in the orchestra. 

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17 minutes ago, LondonsFinest said:

Do people even realise what @CHOULO19 means by 'Pirlo role'?

 

Ofcourse you don't, because you've watched 5% of Juve's 3 man midfield to know it. Marchisio and Vidal have the workrate of a horse and the tackling ability to be able to grant Pirlo the space he needed to operate and string the game. Can Fabregas do that?

Yes, he can. Because he does it, when he isn't pressured by opponents. How can he do it? 

When we buy a proper technical CM( Naingollan) and keep Matic(on-form) or buy the X midfielder who is in the same mould as Naingollan and they grant Fabregas the freedom to dictate play.

I'm not saying he is Pirlo, no. BUT, Pirlo was and is a defensive liability. The fact he played the DM role was a pure tactical choice, so that he is the maestro in the orchestra. 

 

It is a beautiful idea to have players covering for other players' weaknesses but in reality it doesn't work. We tried that with by Ivanovic covering our lack of physicality in midfield. We tried that with Azpilicueta covering for Hazard's lack of defensive mentality and for covering Terry's lack of pace. And here we are, having our worst season in a very long time. We are facing a massive rebuilding of the squad because of this mentality. We ditched KdB because he didn't have a place in this "system", because Mourinho's number 10 role was build on the basis of covering for other midfielders and attackers.

In modern football you need to have complete players in order to succeed. If we are actually planning on winning something, Fabregas cannot be our main midfield playmaker. Nevertheless, it is good that he is performing now. Maybe that'll add couple more millions to his price-tag in the summer.

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9 minutes ago, !Hazard! said:

 

It is a beautiful idea to have players covering for other players' weaknesses but in reality it doesn't work. We tried that with by Ivanovic covering our lack of physicality in midfield. We tried that with Azpilicueta covering for Hazard's lack of defensive mentality and for covering Terry's lack of pace. And here we are, having our worst season in a very long time. We are facing a massive rebuilding of the squad because of this mentality. We ditched KdB because he didn't have a place in this "system", because Mourinho's number 10 role was build on the basis of covering for other midfielders and attackers.

In modern football you need to have complete players in order to succeed. If we are actually planning on winning something, Fabregas cannot be our main midfield playmaker. Nevertheless, it is good that he is performing now. Maybe that'll add couple more millions to his price-tag in the summer.

You have another thing coming if you think there is any chance of Fabregas leaving this summer.

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1 hour ago, !Hazard! said:

 

It is a beautiful idea to have players covering for other players' weaknesses but in reality it doesn't work. We tried that with by Ivanovic covering our lack of physicality in midfield. We tried that with Azpilicueta covering for Hazard's lack of defensive mentality and for covering Terry's lack of pace. And here we are, having our worst season in a very long time. We are facing a massive rebuilding of the squad because of this mentality. We ditched KdB because he didn't have a place in this "system", because Mourinho's number 10 role was build on the basis of covering for other midfielders and attackers.

In modern football you need to have complete players in order to succeed. If we are actually planning on winning something, Fabregas cannot be our main midfield playmaker. Nevertheless, it is good that he is performing now. Maybe that'll add couple more millions to his price-tag in the summer.

1. Fabregas won't leave, UNLESS Conte dislikes his way of playing/training and ditches him.

2. The fact Mourinho tried to cope with certain liabilities with the wrong players is solely Mourinho's problem. We are talking about a man who had the same problem before and dealt with it, quite up to the level needed by deploying players to help him out.

3. The examples are pretty naive, as Terry has been losing pace, as has Ivanovic, but that didn't show last season. It was Mourinho's stubborness to replace his favourite right-back that caused us problems early on and most probably the clash of attitudes, not the covering for liabilities. 

4. As I pointed out, if you watch pretty closely, Conte didn't expect Pirlo to be a playmaker or at least the sole one. He had players in midfield who had the technical ability with a ball in their feet to dictate tempo themselves if need be. So THAT is what we should be aiming for. Not 2 workhorses who can't do not possess a right side( Matic ).

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Cesc plays a good game - he's quality!

Cesc plays a bad game - he's crap!

Rinse and repeat. The life of a footballer of a player who possesses major strengths and major flaws.

I like Cesc. And in my opinion, he's the man most suited to the band in this squad if Terry leaves. But his disappearing act in the big games and his annual half season siestas play heavily against him.

Reaching the elite is never happening with him as your best and most important midfielder if you ask me.

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I like the idea of him playing the Pirlo role. He can definitely make plays and dictate tempo from deep, but as everybody else has already pointed out, we need certain type of players to accomodate him in that role. Radja and Vidal would be ideal with RLC being a direct backup.

Damn, thinking about it...

Courtois

Azpi - Zouma - Manolas - X(Baba?)

Cesc

Vidal - Nainggolan

Willian - Costa - Hazard

 

Now that is what I call a team.