Kurt Zouma

[1chelsea 864]

Sell off the defenders Rudi, Zuma, AC, Alonso please


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[killer1257 3,282]

He was not even at fault for the goals. First goal was because Mount could not clear the ball, second goal was Willian RJ and AC doing nothing and third goal was Rüdiger and Jorgi masterclass.

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[Special Juan 27,439]

The back line is just shit.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Our backline is crap, but he is our best defender since the break.

[Magic Lamps 11,668]

was quality today, a few very important recoveries.

[killer1257 3,282]

Best CB we have. Rüdiger still very clumsy lol

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[Tomo 21,733]

If we get Rice in I think Zouma should be partnering him until a further upgrade is brought.

[Pulisicismydaddy 91]

He started the season playing like a complete pub player but as the season went on he started to show his Everton form, would keep him and Rudiger for sure but we need a new goalkeeper for sure.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

With Thiago next to him and reliable GK, I can imagine Zouma become our most improved player next season.

Cant wait.

[kc_blue 265]

2 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

With Thiago next to him and reliable GK, I can imagine Zouma become our most improved player next season.

Cant wait.

I like the optimism but I just don't see it.  Playing next to Silva will help him a lot but a lot of what holds Zouma back is technique and it won't matter who's next to him for that.  Honestly I think Silva will help out AC and Rudiger more in that he will help with their bigger issues of staying focused and organized.

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1 hour ago, kc_blue said:

I like the optimism but I just don't see it.  Playing next to Silva will help him a lot but a lot of what holds Zouma back is technique and it won't matter who's next to him for that.  Honestly I think Silva will help out AC and Rudiger more in that he will help with their bigger issues of staying focused and organized.

Agree. For me, it is AC that benefits the most as his biggest problems are mental and physical (need to get him some of the Bayern serum.) Those problems however, are more fixable than not being able to handle possession under a high press and reading of the game. AC is totally in last chance saloon but with his current rep, losing him next season instead of this is going to have no minimal financial difference. If Zouma has another season like last he will be worth half the price. 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

1 hour ago, kc_blue said:

I like the optimism but I just don't see it.  Playing next to Silva will help him a lot but a lot of what holds Zouma back is technique and it won't matter who's next to him for that.  Honestly I think Silva will help out AC and Rudiger more in that he will help with their bigger issues of staying focused and organized.

AC is mistake prone + not great defender and Rudi is just a nervous mess too often (at his age not fixable). Zouma is not great on the ball, but fantastic defender who just needs someone who can organise the backline. Plus he is the only one good in the air. We will need that in set pieces/corners because with Ziyech, we might finaly be dangerous again. Rudiger cant jump and AC is weak.

Gomes isnt outstanding CB either, but benefits from playing next to Van Dijk. 

Zouma likely wont be world class (althrough he is actualy very good no nonsense defender), but he will be good enough and thats what we need.

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6 minutes ago, King Kante said:

Agree. For me, it is AC that benefits the most as his biggest problems are mental and physical (need to get him some of the Bayern serum.) Those problems however, are more fixable than not being able to handle possession under a high press and reading of the game. AC is totally in last chance saloon but with his current rep, losing him next season instead of this is going to have no minimal financial difference. If Zouma has another season like last he will be worth half the price. 

Is CB primary role there to pass the ball or defend?

Zouma is our best defender by mile, but sure lets have Pep type CBs who crap their pants everytime it matters.

One thing is if CB can defend AND has great technique. The other is if he has the later but cant defend. AC is more composed on the ball, but he clearly isnt dominant enough. Also been too many times where he just lost it and gave away possesion, something that was supposed to be his strong point.

So if I have to choose, Id choose the one who can defend first. And thats Zouma. He held his own very well vs Bayern where others played bad. And that wasnt the first time.

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3 minutes ago, King Kante said:

Agree. For me, it is AC that benefits the most as his biggest problems are mental and physical (need to get him some of the Bayern serum.) Those problems however, are more fixable than not being able to handle possession under a high press and reading of the game. AC is totally in last chance saloon but with his current rep, losing him next season instead of this is going to have no minimal financial difference. If Zouma has another season like last he will be worth half the price. 

Our team get smaller with thiago n chillwell n if we play werner as cf, and now you want to pair ac with silva. 

How do you defend set pieces next season is beyond me

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7 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

Is CB primary role there to pass the ball or defend?

Zouma is our best defender by mile, but sure lets have Pep type CBs who crap their pants everytime it matters.

One thing is if CB can defend AND has great technique. The other is if he has the later but cant defend. AC is more composed on the ball, but he clearly isnt dominant enough. Also been too many times where he just lost it and gave away possesion, something that was supposed to be his strong point.

So if I have to choose, Id choose the one who can defend first. And thats Zouma. He held his own very well vs Bayern where others played bad. And that wasnt the first time.

The problem with Zouma is not just his work on the ball, it is also his positioning. Take for instance his great tackle against Palace. That only had to come about owing to his position in the first place. 

To be honest, if it is Zouma that stays it doesn't really bother me as all four of the CB's played awful last season in one shape or form. I give Tomori the least criticism as he is the youngest and was in his first year, however, when it comes to Zouma v AC v Rudi it is a little bit of me predicting what the club will do. From my point of view AC still has the greatest scope to improve as his failings are easier to iron out. However, if he gets culled I wouldn't be that surprised. 

7 hours ago, communicate said:

Our team get smaller with thiago n chillwell n if we play werner as cf, and now you want to pair ac with silva. 

How do you defend set pieces next season is beyond me

That is true, but last season Zouma was hardly superman at defending set pieces. Read my comment above.

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Our team get smaller with thiago n chillwell n if we play werner as cf, and now you want to pair ac with silva. 
How do you defend set pieces next season is beyond me

Height isn't everything though. Sure it helps but none of the players you mentioned are short. All around 6ft or just under. Havertz is 6ft 2 and we'd still have giroud and RLC to come off the bench if we are defending a lead.

Tammy is lanky as hell but he's terrible in the air. We had quite a tall team defending set pieces last year with rudi, alonso, tammy etc but we were terrible at defending them.

It'd also help if we can bring in a big keeper who can come out and catch a lot of those that come in around the 6 yard box something kepa didn't do once all year.

[killer1257 3,282]

 

 

 

Height isn't everything though. Sure it helps but none of the players you mentioned are short. All around 6ft or just under. Havertz is 6ft 2 and we'd still have giroud and RLC to come off the bench if we are defending a lead.

 

Tammy is lanky as hell but he's terrible in the air. We had quite a tall team defending set pieces last year with rudi, alonso, tammy etc but we were terrible at defending them.

 

It'd also help if we can bring in a big keeper who can come out and catch a lot of those that come in around the 6 yard box something kepa didn't do once all year.

 

Tammy headed 23 clearances away in 2200 minutes, while Giroud had 13 in 1000 minutes. So if he played the same amount of minutes, Giroud could have gotten around 28 headed clearances. I do not think Tammy is that bad compared to Giroud when it comes to headed clearances. Werner will have way worse stats.

 

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10 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

AC is mistake prone + not great defender and Rudi is just a nervous mess too often (at his age not fixable). Zouma is not great on the ball, but fantastic defender who just needs someone who can organise the backline. Plus he is the only one good in the air. We will need that in set pieces/corners because with Ziyech, we might finaly be dangerous again. Rudiger cant jump and AC is weak.

I'm not disagreeing with any of that.  I just think that Silva's presence and leadership will help AC and Rudiger more then it will Zouma as his presence will directly affect many of their issues, organization and discipline, where there isn't help for Zouma's.  I like Zouma, I just don't think he fits the type of center back that Lampard wants to play the style he wants.