NikkiCFC 8,319 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Fernando, killer1257 and Vesper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,319 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Deserves to start upcoming games... Vesper and killer1257 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,175 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 On 03/03/2020 at 11:15 PM, NikkiCFC said: Deserves to start upcoming games... I just wish we could hypnotise him into being good on the ball lolol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,175 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Richarlison insults Chelsea player after heavy win https://www.chelsea-news.co/2020/03/image-richarlison-insults-chelsea-player-heavy-win/ Kurt Zouma made himself very popular on loan at Everton last year, and they were all happy to see him again yesterday when he played for us instead. After the game the defender posted a very generic Instagram pic of him celebrating the win, with a very generic caption too: “Top performance today”. What wasn’t generic was the response from Richarlison the Everton forward, who Tweeted “fdp” (Portuguese for “son of a bitch). <<< Fils de pute We’re not surprised the former Watford man was so annoyed. His team were rubbish. You can see the caption and the comment below in the image here embedded from Out of Context Chelsea: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Never thought i'd have said this in August but Zouma should probably be starting every game for us until the end of the season. Purely because only two of our partnerships seem to work and both include Kurt (him with Rudi and him with Tomori). Supermonkey92 and communicate 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,319 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Fernando and killer1257 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 We could use that money to buy another defender. But I think Lamps really likes ZoumaGesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 If we were to sell Zouma hopefully it isnt to replace him with Ake..... both are solid enough CBs but Zouma is the better of the two for me and Id say its quite comfortably clear to see that other than Ake's comfort on the ball, Zouma is the better player. I mean I understand he is an ex academy player, Dutch international, has worked with Frank as a player etc but he really doesnt improve on Zouma for me. If we sell Zouma we have to replace him with a better quality player, not the same level, not worst because our defence hasnt been very good this season bar Tomori who was a real shining light for a while. killer1257, Fernando, bigbluewillie and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said: If we were to sell Zouma hopefully it isnt to replace him with Ake..... both are solid enough CBs but Zouma is the better of the two for me and Id say its quite comfortably clear to see that other than Ake's comfort on the ball, Zouma is the better player. I mean I understand he is an ex academy player, Dutch international, has worked with Frank as a player etc but he really doesnt improve on Zouma for me. If we sell Zouma we have to replace him with a better quality player, not the same level, not worst because our defence hasnt been very good this season bar Tomori who was a real shining light for a while. Well I guess the interest in ake is because if bourhemoth gets relegated we can get him back for cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 Just now, Fernando said: Well I guess the interest in ake is because if bourhemoth gets relegated we can get him back for cheap. We have a buyback clause for 40mn IIRC. Thats not exactly cheap. Even if they did get relegated I doubt we would get him for less than 30mn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 We have a buyback clause for 40mn IIRC. Thats not exactly cheap. Even if they did get relegated I doubt we would get him for less than 30mn. Buyback clause was only til January. Now, they can sell him for whatever price they wantGesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, killer1257 said: Buyback clause was only til January. Now, they can sell him for whatever price they want Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk Exactly so if bourhemoth gets relegated he can be picked up at a discount. killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomiswave 6,117 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Fernando said: Exactly so if bourhemoth gets relegated he can be picked up at a discount. Surely we can do better than Ake no? We need a proper defence and he is not that imo. bigbluewillie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kante 1,643 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 On 06/06/2020 at 2:54 PM, Atomiswave said: Surely we can do better than Ake no? We need a proper defence and he is not that imo. Agree. If Ake is the answer I am not sure what the question is. Ake is a good PL CB but that is about it. As for Zouma, I would sell him as soon as we get a chance as I do not rate him. In my opinion, if he wasn't such a freak athlete he would be playing Championship football. I mean, the amount of times he gets caught out of position is a massive worry. For instance, in the last game against Everton he some how found himself caught out on the half way line and allowed the a 2on1 attack which DCL should really have scored which I think would've made it 1-1 or 2-1. A better example of his poor positioning was the Valencia away game. If you watch these highlights, you will see he is out of position for virtually every attack (AC gets rightly criticised for his lack of strength but at least he is where he is meant to be): This is also not a isolated incidents as he does it all the time, game after game. On top of this his distribution under any sort of pressure is also poor, while he also has a habit of mis-kicking balls that come into the area. An example is the Everton away game, where for their 2nd he skies the ball and allows it to bump off of him after AC doesn't get the header (while on the third he is out of position then stands and watches DCL continue towards goal) For those reasons, when people talk about CB's that need to be sold I always say Zouma as not only is he our worst CB on all aspects apart from physicality/athleticism he is also one that would probably bring in the most coin from any sale of AC/Tomori/Zouma. Atomiswave, Johnnyeye and Fernando 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Judging on this season, Zouma was our best defender. Does not mean that he was world class or anything, but AC, Tomori and Rüdiger did way more mistakes.Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk Stats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,175 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 On 07/06/2020 at 6:33 PM, killer1257 said: Judging on this season, Zouma was our best defender. Does not mean that he was world class or anything, but AC, Tomori and Rüdiger did way more mistakes. Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk Rudiger was the best IMHO.and it wasn't close I am sure many will go bonkers on that Tomori needs to step the hell up and AC (too weak) and Zouma (to poor on the ball) need to be sent packing Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valdo 583 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Rudiger was the best IMHO.and it wasn't close I am sure many will go bonkers on that Tomori needs to step the hell up and AC (too weak) and Zouma (to poor on the ball) need to be sent packingAtleast Zouma managed to score for us (can't remember when though) but it always amazed me that AC never managed to bag a goal for us. It makes Cahill (I don't even need to mention Terry) look like a top scoring cb. Rudie manages to get the odd goal every now and then, and Alonso when we face spurs. But I actually miss that our defenders don't score more often. We're really bad at defending set pieces and corners, but we we're also bad at taking them ourselves [emoji17].Verstuurd vanaf mijn F5121 met Tapatalk Johnnyeye and killer1257 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Rudiger was the best IMHO.and it wasn't close I am sure many will go bonkers on that Tomori needs to step the hell up and AC (too weak) and Zouma (to poor on the ball) need to be sent packing Your conclusion is based on what? That you love Rüdiger the most? I thought Rüdiger was bad. Rüdiger made too many mistakes based on this season. Just rewatch the mistakes he made this season or the season before that, but this season mistakes should be enough to see that his football IQ is not great at all. Also you can look up stats too. He even won less aerial duels than AC. Passing stats were worse than Zouma. Zouma based on this seasons performance can defend the best. Tomori was our best technical defender, but he lacks concentration and football IQ in the defensive movement. His football IQ in the offensive phase is very decent. Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk mkh and Chelsea_firstlove 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,175 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 50 minutes ago, killer1257 said: Your conclusion is based on what? That you love Rüdiger the most? I thought Rüdiger was bad. Rüdiger made too many mistakes based on this season. Just rewatch the mistakes he made this season or the season before that, but this season mistakes should be enough to see that his football IQ is not great at all. Also you can look up stats too. He even won less aerial duels than AC. Passing stats were worse than Zouma. Zouma based on this seasons performance can defend the best. Tomori was our best technical defender, but he lacks concentration and football IQ in the defensive movement. His football IQ in the offensive phase is very decent. Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk My conclusion is based off the fact that Rudiger is simply a far better overall CB than Zouma. Zouma is very poor on the ball.and doesnt have rudiger's positional sense. Rudiger is not horrid at at any aspect of the game. There some parts he is weaker at, than others, but nothing falls to the level of Zouma's weak points. Rudiger is far from perfect, but atm he is simply our best overall CB. He is also more of a leader on the pitch. I see three players who get mashed about here far too much. Mount, Rudiger, and now Werner. I am well known to have huge issues with Alonso, and am frustrated we did not sell Willian for huge cash in 2018, but of the 3 LB options we have atm, Alonso is by far the best one, and as for Willian, IF we fail to get Havertz, we damn well better hope Willian caves in and accepts a 2 year deal, as we are, at that point, down to only 3 wingers, 2 of them who are injury prone, and one who may be needed at times as an AMF. Sancho is not an option, due to other needs and simply too high a price due to those needs, as none would get sorted.. We would have no money for a LB (it would have to be, at that point, Kurzawa on a free or pray that Juve swap Alex Sandro for Emerson straight up, which is doubtful I fear) no backup keeper slash possible Kepa 'bridge the gap' replacement, and surely no CB of any quality coming in. I can accept (even if I hate it) missing out on Havertz. But I cannot accept 1. doing literally fuckall at keeper, that is madness, Willy IS NOT A VIABLE OPTION to the likely to implode further Kepa, it is suicidal to think he is, the bloke is almost 39yo and slow as hell now. I cannot believ we are trying to do something behind the scenes. 2. doing nothing at LB, that is madness, it is going on 7 years now since we were last stable there (Conte's 1 season with decently performing wingbacks, not actual fullbacks aside, and his last year even as wingbacks they were shit overall) Azpi (plus a now 31yo Azpi come August, I might add) at LB is outright capitulation, as I have said so many times before 3. doing nothing at CB, which, combined with the other 2, if we bollocks thsoe up, spells possible doom next season, despite Werner and Ziyech coming in as we will be fucked at multiple defensive positions 4. Having only 3 wingers, which I already talked about. Mount and RLC are NOT proper options there. RLC was so 'fish out of water' when old smokey rolled his dice and tossed him in at winger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,175 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Abramovich ready to axe underperforming Chelsea ace to continue summer spree https://astamfordbridgetoofar.com/2020/06/22/abramovich-ready-to-axe-underperforming-chelsea-ace-to-continue-summer-spree/ Chelsea ready to sell Kurt Zouma According to the Daily Star, Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich is ready to sell defender Kurt Zouma. The 25-year-old has been at the club for six years now. Despite the early promise, he has failed to transform into a dominant defender. The Blues are ready to cut their losses and sell the player to help fund other transfers. Chelsea have enjoyed an excellent start to the summer, having already signed Hakim Ziyech and Timo Werner. We are still on the lookout for more players. The likes of Leicester City’s Ben Chilwell and Leverkusen star Kai Havertz continue to be linked with a move to Stamford Bridge. They will not come cheap though. This means the club will have to sell some of the players in order to balance the books. snip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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