The Skipper 20,609 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Overrated.How so? Barely anyone on here rate him anyway. xPetrCechx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5354 204 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Betrand needs more games to improve himself.He did a decent job on the left IMO to block crosses and any other attack on our left flank. IMO he does what a defender ask from him.the part lacking in his game is the attacking portion. that portion of the game seems underdeveloped probably because the fat waiter didn't give him any clear instructions. e.g bomb forward? drive into the box? or pump crosses into the box? or just to provide a option?much of the time, betrand was left with the ball, not knowing what to do, or not knowing who will meet the end of his crosses. he scuffled a few good chance to cross, but that will ultimately improve with more games under his belt. much of his game was just to pass back to terry to pump a long ball forward Dy-lan, Bosnian Blue, CHOULO19 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English Freak 456 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Which is fair enough. He's definitely good enough to be a squad player for us - Shaw and Bertrand in a couple of years after Ashley retires sounds good to me. What I don't like though is how people call him useless - he's not. I think defensively this year CFC have been poor - that's not due to our individual talent but more due to the fact that we have never had a consistent back four this season.Bertrand has also only played a handful of games at full back this season - I feel most people are writing him off based on his performances out wide, which I think is unfair. I just hope Van Aanholt gets to play a handful of games at LB like Bertrand...that'll help the coaching staff decide which player to keep in the long run.PvA seems to be more explosive going forward, still learning the defensive side..(based on his games at Vitesse)Bertrand does alright defensively, needs alot of work on his offensive game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ortiv 42 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I bet someone here will be calling Luke Shaw overrated 3 months after we sign him. It's amazing how impatient we are with young players in this club. I still remember how poor Evans used to be for ManU. blu35_army 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiclasCFC 2,582 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 How so? Barely anyone on here rate him anyway. He has played for the England national team, so He's very overrated... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! TrippingStep 336 Posted March 31, 2013 Popular Post! Share Posted March 31, 2013 I bet someone here will be calling Luke Shaw overrated 3 months after we sign him. It's amazing how impatient we are with young players in this club. I still remember how poor Evans used to be for ManU.Luke Shaw has been described by countless scouts and people who saw him in the youth international tournament, among the best world players of his age.I don't think it has ever been the case for Bertrand.Bertrand is average at best.His composure on the ball is awful, in the final third of the pitch, he's clueless and on defensive duties, he's average.Many talk about the champion's league final but it's not like he was great that night to contain Robben with Cole.It's just that Robben was in a " I will shoot everytime I can" without putting a shot on target. Backstreet09, Peace., The Mak and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! BlueLion. 21,491 Posted March 31, 2013 Popular Post! Share Posted March 31, 2013 He has played for the England national team, so He's very overrated...I could play for England though, they're that bad.Bertrand just isn't good enough. Average at best. Bring back van Aanholt! chelseathebest, The Mak, Henrique and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 4,400 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 He's not good enough at all which is a shame. Ash is trying his best with him, working with him on a regular basis but i just can't see him ever being good enough unfortunately. We should bring back PVA, i remember seeing him shine against Newcastle in a Carling Cup game a few years ago, his attacking threat is much better than Bertrand's although RB is maybe a better, safer defender. I'd love us to have PVA and Shaw in 2 or 3 years time. English Freak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juko 19 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 he's fast but for the rest he always seems be lost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! manpe 10,861 Posted March 31, 2013 Popular Post! Share Posted March 31, 2013 On what evidence do people rate PVA higher than Bertrand? I can't believe it tbh. I distinctly remember the time when Bertrand used to play well and PVA was nowhere to be mentioned. In fact I remember people saying that Bertrand was better overall. Some used to even say he's the best left back prospect in England. Now all of a sudden you want Van Aanholt back without a shred of evidence that he would outshine him and break through here.I remember when Ryan had his best game against Arsenal, everybody was ejaculating over that. People were calling him to be invited into the English NT and that he's already better than Cole etc etc...I just don't understand the logic at all. Is the knee jerk really that strong in here? Jase, CHOULO19, Stats and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mak 4,459 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 He has played for the England national team, so He's very overrated...Yeah, and more recently, so has Smalling, Cleverly, Shelvey, Downing and Henderson... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,570 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I bet someone here will be calling Luke Shaw overrated 3 months after we sign him. It's amazing how impatient we are with young players in this club. I still remember how poor Evans used to be for ManU.Evans is still poor.Look what a poor Israeli Striker did to him in the last INT game.He looks Decent with Vidic alongside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufassir08 2,400 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Evans is still poor.Look what a poor Israeli Striker did to him in the last INT game.He looks Decent with Vidic alongside.Dont know much about his national team's preformances but he has been very good for united recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Arsenal have Monreal as their starting LB with Gibbs there to do the job against weaker opposition or when for whatever reason Monreal can't start. It was similar when Clichy was there.I expect Bertrand and Gibbs to always have that same 'back up'/utility role unless they move elsewhere. That's not necessarily a bad thing though. Plenty players have had wonderful careers as bit-part players. O'Shea, Belletti etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Funny thing, the guys at the saints forum thought that Shaw got battered by Moses in the first half and that Bertrand was of our better performers. Not saying I agree as I did not watch the match, just giving you a different perspective. The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufassir08 2,400 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Funny thing, the guys at the saints forum thought that Shaw got battered by Moses in the first half and that Bertrand was of our better performers. Not saying I agree as I did not watch the match, just giving you a different perspective. Thats interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5354 204 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Another decent game. Probably got tricked by Nani/Valencia a few times, but used his speed to cover up grounds.At times I feel he got sucked up high on the pitch by Nani too often before Nani was substituted. and that left gap for valenicia to run into. Hannah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I thought he did very very well after coming on despite the lack of help he got down that flank. So, is he back to being the next Ashley Cole now?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kunter 22 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 He is always getting better game by game. With Cole out now he can show what he is worth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Uzzi 54 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Not bad, not bad. Not sure though if he has the real top level. If Chelsea was able to get Coentrao, wouldn't hesitate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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