Fredy Guarin

[CHOULO19 24,332]

And jose also said we wouldn't buy any striker if our attempt to get rooney failed w eknow how that ended.

and if Jose bought a £30m plus left back as a squad player (coentrao madrid) and William another expensive squad player then why would this rumor seem outrageous or unbelievable to anyone.

What happened is that Romelu asked for a loan so we got Eto'o to replace him. Plus the Eto'o deal was too attractive to not go through with it. He was on a free and took a huge wage cut to come here. We had nothing to lose in signing him.

Willian you're absolutely right about. It still makes very little sense to me.

Well, whatever you read on Jose, I would not trust it. As you might know, Jose when in doubt to win anything he goes to snivel to Roman, to buy more players. When is this team going to give chances to young players ?

BTW, Fredy goes for 15m as offered.

Agreed. You can't expect the team to not buy players like Hazard and Schurrle to give a chance to Lalkovic and Piazon, but when it's someone average at best like Guarin, then I would much rather have Nathanial in our team. At least he'd fit much better in our system.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I thought Juventus did need money to strengthen other areas? sure I've heard that they might sell Pogba if a big offer comes in.

Guarin would be a poor signing anyway, he isn't a holding midfielder, we need a young Xabi Alonso not a shit Ramires.

Absolutely spot on with that one.

[The only place to be 11,313]

What happened is that Romelu asked for a loan so we got Eto'o to replace him.

I think you've got that wrong. We signed Eto'o before the Bayern game and it was after that Lukaku was reported to have 'gotten unhappy'.

Guarin would be a poor signing anyway, he isn't a holding midfielder, we need a young Xabi Alonso not a shit Ramires.

What we need is another body who can put in a shift alongside Rami, and maybe even give us a chance to rest him.

Like I said, this transfer could go either way. He has good technique and great physical tools but the knock on him has been his inconsistency. Maybe Jose sees him as a project, a guy who he can turn into the midfielder we need. He's not the ideal signing, but 'young Xabi Alonso' might not be available at this moment in time.

[bushman 2,043]

What happened is that Romelu asked for a loan so we got Eto'o to replace him. Plus the Eto'o deal was too attractive to not go through with it. He was on a free and took a huge wage cut to come here. We had nothing to lose in signing him.

Willian you're absolutely right about. It still makes very little sense to me.

Agreed. You can't expect the team to not buy players like Hazard and Schurrle to give a chance to Lalkovic and Piazon, but when it's someone average at best like Guarin, then I would much rather have Nathanial in our team. At least he'd fit much better in our system.

How do you know Lukaku had asked for transfer first & then Jose brought Eto´o in ?

I do not believe it. The kid set his site on Chelsea, as I read. When BA was not moved, something must have happened & Lukaku wanted to play, then he might have opted to move, I feel. Under Jose, in the summer I saw nothing but complete fuck-ups. Eto´o, William = brought in uselessly, I feel.

[Jype 6,398]

I thought Juventus did need money to strengthen other areas? sure I've heard that they might sell Pogba if a big offer comes in.

Guarin would be a poor signing anyway, he isn't a holding midfielder, we need a young Xabi Alonso not a shit Ramires.

I admit I'm not an expert on Juve's finances because I really don't give a fuck about that club. Doubt they will sell Pogba in January either way, it's not like they could even use the money to strengthen these other areas because no sensible club would sell them the players they want in the middle of the season. That's how the transfer business works, everyone gets the major deals done in the summer and the January window is usually there only to allow clubs to buy squad players to get them through the season. Deals like Torres are the exception, not the rule.

I haven't been commenting on whether Guarin would be a good signing because I haven't seen enough of him to form such an opinion, all I've been saying is that players like Pogba, Vidal etc. are not realistic signings for January and it's better to get at least someone than to ignore the problem outright because we desperately need another pair of legs in midfield. Guarin most definitely is not the type of player our squad has been crying out for but then again, none of the available ones are. Whether the player we go after is Guarin, Cabaye or someone else entirely, I really don't care but I trust Mourinho to get the player he wants and who he sees as the best fit.

[bushman 2,043]

What amazes me the most. Most of folks here, trust Jose. No matter what he does or what he did, he knows it all ?

[Ainsley Harriott 2,732]

What amazes me the most. Most of folks here, trust Jose. No matter what he does or what he did, he knows it all ?

No... He's made a lot more head scrathing decisions than I expected

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I think you've got that wrong. We signed Eto'o before the Bayern game and it was after that Lukaku was reported to have 'gotten unhappy'.

What we need is another body who can put in a shift alongside Rami, and maybe even give us a chance to rest him.

Like I said, this transfer could go either way. He has good technique and great physical tools but the knock on him has been his inconsistency. Maybe Jose sees him as a project, a guy who he can turn into the midfielder we need. He's not the ideal signing, but 'young Xabi Alonso' might not be available at this moment in time.

Well either way I think Eto'o on the free and on a huge wage cut was not an opportunity to be missed. We had nothing to lose by signing him.

The bold part is not really true. He's very strong and can run all day, but his technical ability on the ball is rather weak. His best attribute is his pressing and defending. Just don't give him the ball on the attack.

How do you know Lukaku had asked for transfer first & then Jose brought Eto´o in ?

I do not believe it. The kid set his site on Chelsea, as I read. When BA was not moved, something must have happened & Lukaku wanted to play, then he might have opted to move, I feel. Under Jose, in the summer I saw nothing but complete fuck-ups. Eto´o, William = brought in uselessly, I feel.

Well there's been many stories. But the bottom line is we spent a lot in the summer and ended up with weak options for striker and an overloaded AM department.

I admit I'm not an expert on Juve's finances because I really don't give a fuck about that club. Doubt they will sell Pogba in January either way, it's not like they could even use the money to strengthen these other areas because no sensible club would sell them the players they want in the middle of the season. That's how the transfer business works, everyone gets the major deals done in the summer and the January window is usually there only to allow clubs to buy squad players to get them through the season. Deals like Torres are the exception, not the rule.

Allow me to clear that up. The club president was talking in an interview about how the Serie A has weakened a lot in recent years and how the financial trouble has effected the league. He gave a hypothetical example by saying "If, in a few years, someone came in with a huge bid for Pogba, the club won't be able to stop him from leaving". Obviously all the headlines the next day read something like "Pogba for sale" but that doesn't mean that the player wants to leave and it certainly doesn't mean that the club is willing to sell; certainly not in the winter market.

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[Jype 6,398]

What amazes me the most. Most of folks here, trust Jose. No matter what he does or what he did, he knows it all ?

I assume that's a dig aimed at me and what I said in the post above yours.

No, Mourinho is not the perfect man nor is he the perfect manager. However, he is our manager and I trust him to do what he believes is best for the future of this football club. If Mourinho wants a player, let's say Guarin because it's his topic we're discussing here, but the fans and the upper management want to see someone else what do you think is the best way to go forward? To buy the player our manager wants to work with or buy the flavour of the month player our fans and Abramovich have fallen in love with by playing fucking Football Manager of FIFA?

[bushman 2,043]

No... He's made a lot more head scrathing decisions than I expected

To me, Jose made plenty of boo-boos in the summer. However, that is just my view.

[Shakez 755]

Guarin is a necessary addition for squad depth. Willian wasn't necessary but any top manager knows you don't say no to quality. Both transfer subjects where/are a target of hate. Alot of members on these forums need to learn that you can't snap you're fingers and buy a top quality player at each position at will (certainly not in the january transfer period).

[bushman 2,043]

I assume that's a dig aimed at me and what I said in the post above yours.

No, Mourinho is not the perfect man nor is he the perfect manager. However, he is our manager and I trust him to do what he believes is best for the future of this football club. If Mourinho wants a player, let's say Guarin because it's his topic we're discussing here, but the fans and the upper management want to see someone else what do you think is the best way to go forward? To buy the player our manager wants to work with or buy the flavour of the month player our fans and Abramovich have fallen in love playing fucking Football Manager of FIFA?

First of all, it was aimed in general. However,since you are here, let me respond.

Jose to me is not infallible, as I posted here on several occasions. He may try to make correct decisions & I am certain he wants the best for the club. No doubt here. However, sometimes his aim misses the target, William, Eto´o, Lukaku loan, just to name a few.

As for Roman, we know very little about him. Somehow, I feel he knows much more about this football team,than most of us think.

[Jype 6,398]

90% of this forum was also against the Schürrle transfer. Just saying...

[Pizy 18,957]

First of all, it was aimed in general. However,since you are here, let me respond.

Jose to me is not infallible, as I posted here on several occasions. He may try to make correct decisions & I am certain he wants the best for the club. No doubt here. However, sometimes his aim misses the target, William, Eto´o, Lukaku loan, just to name a few.

As for Roman, we know very little about him. Somehow, I feel he knows much more about this football team,than most of us think.

What's wrong with Willian? Now that he's been getting games he's starting to prove his worth. He's still not where he's capable of being but I'm glad he's a Chelsea player. Eto'o/Lukaku situation is puzzling though.

[bushman 2,043]

What's wrong with Willian? Now that he's been getting games he's starting to prove his worth. He's still not where he's capable of being but I'm glad he's a Chelsea player. Eto'o/Lukaku situation is puzzling though.

Perhaps, he will get better. So far, what I can gather, not worth 30m, in my view.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Guarin is a necessary addition for squad depth. Willian wasn't necessary but any top manager knows you don't say no to quality. Both transfer subjects where/are a target of hate. Alot of members on these forums need to learn that you can't snap you're fingers and buy a top quality player at each position at will (certainly not in the january transfer period).

I don't think anyone was questioning the quality of Willian, though. That is the main issue here with Guarin: He's just not good enough. When the fans of a mid-table Italian team are happy to see him gone, then that tells you all you need to know about him.

[Blue Warrior 109]

Pogba and Vidal are loving the Europa league I bet. I believe Pogba is yet to sign an extension and is holding out for a wage bump. Chelsea fans want to see English players, that will never change. I would rather see Chalobah or Mchechran get a go than another untested foreign player. Inter are very poor defensively so he is not setting the world on fire. Got to look long term, the only January signing that makes sense is to get a striker.

[bushman 2,043]

I don't think anyone was questioning the quality of Willian, though. That is the main issue here with Guarin: He's just not good enough. When the fans of a mid-table Italian team are happy to see him gone, then that tells you all you need to know about him.

May I ask for a favor here ? Do you have any link to the Italian thread where those fans are happy to see him go ? In English please.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

May I ask for a favor here ? Do you have any link to the Italian thread where those fans are happy to see him go ? In English please.

Here, flip around in this thread: http://forzainterforums.com/showthread.php?10271-Fredy-Guar%EDn/page164