Fredy Guarin

[Special Juan 27,439]

Chalobah can't even get a game in the Championship, nevermind at Chelsea. People are so deluded on here it's unreal.

OMG WE'RE NOT SIGNING THE MOST UNATTAINABLE PLAYERS IN JANUARY FOR 50 MILLION POUNDS, AND WE'RE ALSO NOT PLAYING YOUTH PLAYERS WHO CAN'T GET A GAME IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP. SACK EVERYONE!

Right, the first bit. He isn't getting a game in the Championship so come 15th of January bring him back here to bolster a struggling and shit midfield. But oh no lets not bring him back in case it stops us spending more millions and everyone can rejoice and get Guarin on their shirts.

I am not for one minute saying Guarin is shite because I don't know much of him, but is it such a rank poor idea to fetch a young kid back and give him a go?

[lionsden 4,689]

If you really believe any of those would be available in January you're deluded.

Pogba and Vidal are both enjoying life at Juve where they are fighting for the league title and it's not like Juventus need the money either. Dortmund won't sell Gündogan in January when they still have a very good chance of winning the Champions League title and the player himself will want to keep his options open till after the World Cup. De Rossi didn't want to leave Roma last summer so why would he leave now when the club he loves are a serious title contender for the first time in a very long while? And tell me, which available English central midfielder would be an upgrade to our current squad? And please don't say Ross Barkley because he's an attacking midfielder, not to mention the fact he probably won't leave in January either when Everton are doing so well and at least by playing every game there he has a good chance of making the World Cup squad.

Players like Guarin, Cabaye and Rakitic are the ones we can realistically go after in the January window and I really don't see a problem with that. Getting any of those guys now would be an improvement to our current midfield and they would also be able to play in all competitions, unlike the names you mentioned. And the people saying they prefer this or that player of the available ones, will you for once trust Mourinho to know what he's doing? If he wants Guarin and not Cabaye, then Guarin he shall get. Haven't we learnt by now that it's really no use buying players that the manager does not want?

The time to get a world class midfielder is definitely upon us and Mourinho knows this too but he also has enough experience not to go chasing windmills like poor David Moyes last summer with his unrealistic pursuit of Fabregas for the whole transfer window which left him empty handed in the end.

So we should spend 18m on a stop gap because we can't get genuine quality in jan? is that what

you are saying here?

It's funny because we wouldn't have needed a stop gap in the first place if emenalo,jose and co didn't act so incompetently in the summer and made the right decisions to address the main issues in the squad. instead they splashed a combined £48m on two attacking midfielders that weren't needed and a further £8m on a box to box midfielder. the money that should have used in securing one or even two top quality central midfielder/regista instead.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

18m :lol:

Nope, sorry. Still a long way from buying this rumor. Jose has said twice already that we won't make any signings in Jan and I'm pretty sure we won't break that to pay 18m for a below-average player that doesn't fit in our team.

[Pizy 18,415]

18m :lol:

Nope, sorry. Still a long way from buying this rumor. Jose has said twice already that we won't make any signings in Jan and I'm pretty sure we won't break that to pay 18m for a below-average player that doesn't fit in our team.

Let's hope not anyways.

When supporters of his current club are hoping he gets sold you know there's something wrong. Looks like a very average player. A signing that a non-CL side that's trying to break into the top 4 would make like Everton or Spuds.

[Special Juan 27,439]

The Inter fans on another forum I read are absolutely rubbing their mits together over this happening.

[Jype 6,398]

So we should spend 18m on a stop gap because we can't get genuine quality in jan? is that what

you are saying here?

It's funny because we wouldn't have needed a stop gap in the first place if emenalo,jose and co didn't act so incompetently in the summer and made the right decisions to address the main issues in the squad. instead they splashed a combined £48m on two attacking midfielders that weren't needed and a further £8m on a box to box midfielder. the money that should have used in securing one or even two top quality central midfielder/regista instead.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Better to spend £15m on a stopgap who will play a big role for us this season and remain a squad player for the following seasons to come than ignore the problem completely and risk fucking up our season big time. Meireles was a similar stopgap after failing to sign Modric and he played a huge role in the club winning the Champions League. Are you saying we would have been better off not buying anyone back then when it became clear Modric was out of the question?

And yes, I very much agree that the Willian signing was unnecessary to say the least, and that the money spent on him should have been used to acquire a quality midfielder instead. I don't particularly agree with you on Marco van Ginkel beng a pointless signing because he really looked like a good player who could have played a big role for us this season. Anyway, at the end of the day what's done is done and all that's left is to try and do what's best for the club right now.

[lionsden 4,689]

18m :lol:

Nope, sorry. Still a long way from buying this rumor. Jose has said twice already that we won't make any signings in Jan and I'm pretty sure we won't break that to pay 18m for a below-average player that doesn't fit in our team.

And jose also said we wouldn't buy any striker if our attempt to get rooney failed w eknow how that ended.

and if Jose bought a £30m plus left back as a squad player (coentrao madrid) and William another expensive squad player then why would this rumor seem outrageous or unbelievable to anyone.

[drog.ba 239]

If you really believe any of those would be available in January you're deluded.

Pogba and Vidal are both enjoying life at Juve where they are fighting for the league title and it's not like Juventus need the money either. Dortmund won't sell Gündogan in January when they still have a very good chance of winning the Champions League title and the player himself will want to keep his options open till after the World Cup. De Rossi didn't want to leave Roma last summer so why would he leave now when the club he loves are a serious title contender for the first time in a very long while? And tell me, which available English central midfielder would be an upgrade to our current squad? And please don't say Ross Barkley because he's an attacking midfielder, not to mention the fact he probably won't leave in January either when Everton are doing so well and at least by playing every game there he has a good chance of making the World Cup squad.

Players like Guarin, Cabaye and Rakitic are the ones we can realistically go after in the January window and I really don't see a problem with that. Getting any of those guys now would be an improvement to our current midfield and they would also be able to play in all competitions, unlike the names you mentioned. And the people saying they prefer this or that player of the available ones, will you for once trust Mourinho to know what he's doing? If he wants Guarin and not Cabaye, then Guarin he shall get. Haven't we learnt by now that it's really no use buying players that the manager does not want?

The time to get a world class midfielder is definitely upon us and Mourinho knows this too but he also has enough experience not to go chasing windmills like poor David Moyes last summer with his unrealistic pursuit of Fabregas for the whole transfer window which left him empty handed in the end.

I thought Juventus did need money to strengthen other areas? sure I've heard that they might sell Pogba if a big offer comes in.

Guarin would be a poor signing anyway, he isn't a holding midfielder, we need a young Xabi Alonso not a shit Ramires.

[bushman 2,043]

18m :lol:

Nope, sorry. Still a long way from buying this rumor. Jose has said twice already that we won't make any signings in Jan and I'm pretty sure we won't break that to pay 18m for a below-average player that doesn't fit in our team.

Well, whatever you read on Jose, I would not trust it. As you might know, Jose when in doubt to win anything he goes to snivel to Roman, to buy more players. When is this team going to give chances to young players ?

BTW, Fredy goes for 15m as offered.

[Ainsley Harriott 2,732]

And jose also said we wouldn't buy any striker if our attempt to get rooney failed w eknow how that ended.

and if Jose bought a £30m plus left back as a squad player (coentrao madrid) and William another expensive squad player then why would this rumor seem outrageous or unbelievable to anyone.

To be honest, Coentrão was supposed to be an elite left-back. He was better at Benfica than at Real, although I have no complains about him at the national team.

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And jose also said we wouldn't buy any striker if our attempt to get rooney failed w eknow how that ended.

and if Jose bought a £30m plus left back as a squad player (coentrao madrid) and William another expensive squad player then why would this rumor seem outrageous or unbelievable to anyone.

What happened is that Romelu asked for a loan so we got Eto'o to replace him. Plus the Eto'o deal was too attractive to not go through with it. He was on a free and took a huge wage cut to come here. We had nothing to lose in signing him.

Willian you're absolutely right about. It still makes very little sense to me.

Well, whatever you read on Jose, I would not trust it. As you might know, Jose when in doubt to win anything he goes to snivel to Roman, to buy more players. When is this team going to give chances to young players ?

BTW, Fredy goes for 15m as offered.

Agreed. You can't expect the team to not buy players like Hazard and Schurrle to give a chance to Lalkovic and Piazon, but when it's someone average at best like Guarin, then I would much rather have Nathanial in our team. At least he'd fit much better in our system.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I thought Juventus did need money to strengthen other areas? sure I've heard that they might sell Pogba if a big offer comes in.

Guarin would be a poor signing anyway, he isn't a holding midfielder, we need a young Xabi Alonso not a shit Ramires.

Absolutely spot on with that one.

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What happened is that Romelu asked for a loan so we got Eto'o to replace him.

I think you've got that wrong. We signed Eto'o before the Bayern game and it was after that Lukaku was reported to have 'gotten unhappy'.

Guarin would be a poor signing anyway, he isn't a holding midfielder, we need a young Xabi Alonso not a shit Ramires.

What we need is another body who can put in a shift alongside Rami, and maybe even give us a chance to rest him.

Like I said, this transfer could go either way. He has good technique and great physical tools but the knock on him has been his inconsistency. Maybe Jose sees him as a project, a guy who he can turn into the midfielder we need. He's not the ideal signing, but 'young Xabi Alonso' might not be available at this moment in time.

[bushman 2,043]

What happened is that Romelu asked for a loan so we got Eto'o to replace him. Plus the Eto'o deal was too attractive to not go through with it. He was on a free and took a huge wage cut to come here. We had nothing to lose in signing him.

Willian you're absolutely right about. It still makes very little sense to me.

Agreed. You can't expect the team to not buy players like Hazard and Schurrle to give a chance to Lalkovic and Piazon, but when it's someone average at best like Guarin, then I would much rather have Nathanial in our team. At least he'd fit much better in our system.

How do you know Lukaku had asked for transfer first & then Jose brought Eto´o in ?

I do not believe it. The kid set his site on Chelsea, as I read. When BA was not moved, something must have happened & Lukaku wanted to play, then he might have opted to move, I feel. Under Jose, in the summer I saw nothing but complete fuck-ups. Eto´o, William = brought in uselessly, I feel.

[Jype 6,398]

I thought Juventus did need money to strengthen other areas? sure I've heard that they might sell Pogba if a big offer comes in.

Guarin would be a poor signing anyway, he isn't a holding midfielder, we need a young Xabi Alonso not a shit Ramires.

I admit I'm not an expert on Juve's finances because I really don't give a fuck about that club. Doubt they will sell Pogba in January either way, it's not like they could even use the money to strengthen these other areas because no sensible club would sell them the players they want in the middle of the season. That's how the transfer business works, everyone gets the major deals done in the summer and the January window is usually there only to allow clubs to buy squad players to get them through the season. Deals like Torres are the exception, not the rule.

I haven't been commenting on whether Guarin would be a good signing because I haven't seen enough of him to form such an opinion, all I've been saying is that players like Pogba, Vidal etc. are not realistic signings for January and it's better to get at least someone than to ignore the problem outright because we desperately need another pair of legs in midfield. Guarin most definitely is not the type of player our squad has been crying out for but then again, none of the available ones are. Whether the player we go after is Guarin, Cabaye or someone else entirely, I really don't care but I trust Mourinho to get the player he wants and who he sees as the best fit.

[bushman 2,043]

What amazes me the most. Most of folks here, trust Jose. No matter what he does or what he did, he knows it all ?

[Ainsley Harriott 2,732]

What amazes me the most. Most of folks here, trust Jose. No matter what he does or what he did, he knows it all ?

No... He's made a lot more head scrathing decisions than I expected

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I think you've got that wrong. We signed Eto'o before the Bayern game and it was after that Lukaku was reported to have 'gotten unhappy'.

What we need is another body who can put in a shift alongside Rami, and maybe even give us a chance to rest him.

Like I said, this transfer could go either way. He has good technique and great physical tools but the knock on him has been his inconsistency. Maybe Jose sees him as a project, a guy who he can turn into the midfielder we need. He's not the ideal signing, but 'young Xabi Alonso' might not be available at this moment in time.

Well either way I think Eto'o on the free and on a huge wage cut was not an opportunity to be missed. We had nothing to lose by signing him.

The bold part is not really true. He's very strong and can run all day, but his technical ability on the ball is rather weak. His best attribute is his pressing and defending. Just don't give him the ball on the attack.

How do you know Lukaku had asked for transfer first & then Jose brought Eto´o in ?

I do not believe it. The kid set his site on Chelsea, as I read. When BA was not moved, something must have happened & Lukaku wanted to play, then he might have opted to move, I feel. Under Jose, in the summer I saw nothing but complete fuck-ups. Eto´o, William = brought in uselessly, I feel.

Well there's been many stories. But the bottom line is we spent a lot in the summer and ended up with weak options for striker and an overloaded AM department.

I admit I'm not an expert on Juve's finances because I really don't give a fuck about that club. Doubt they will sell Pogba in January either way, it's not like they could even use the money to strengthen these other areas because no sensible club would sell them the players they want in the middle of the season. That's how the transfer business works, everyone gets the major deals done in the summer and the January window is usually there only to allow clubs to buy squad players to get them through the season. Deals like Torres are the exception, not the rule.

Allow me to clear that up. The club president was talking in an interview about how the Serie A has weakened a lot in recent years and how the financial trouble has effected the league. He gave a hypothetical example by saying "If, in a few years, someone came in with a huge bid for Pogba, the club won't be able to stop him from leaving". Obviously all the headlines the next day read something like "Pogba for sale" but that doesn't mean that the player wants to leave and it certainly doesn't mean that the club is willing to sell; certainly not in the winter market.