CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 How about instead we try Oscar on the wing, Willian in the middle and make Ivanovic stay back and actually defend? didierforever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 How about instead we try Oscar on the wing, Willian in the middle and make Ivanovic stay back and actually defend?What? I can't even understand what you're saying. What does that mean? Does such a thing even exist?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonsFinest 692 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 But, but, but Oscar is our true number 10, right...right...?In all seriousness, I think the last few games when him and Hazard were given the creative freedom to change positions and both roamed in the 10 and LW position, Willian was outstanding. Attacking wise he is superior to Oscar due to fluidity, dribbling and pace. Yes, he maybe lacks a bit vision in terms of through balls, but I'd prefer him to the slow-steady Oscar, if he remains incosistent, regardless of how good his finishing is. Banter side, where's Gilvorak, Pacquiao and the others from Oscar fan club? Surely it's time to mention Willian didn't score which is why Oscar is the #10? stroey, Stats, Kieran. and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedsBlue 1,549 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I encourage you all to show the same faith and support to Cuadrado as well. There is no way an excellent player like him can be so average. LondonsFinest, kellzfresh, Stats and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneChan95 225 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 But, but, but Oscar is our true number 10, right...right...?In all seriousness, I think the last few games when him and Hazard were given the creative freedom to change positions and both roamed in the 10 and LW position, Willian was outstanding. Attacking wise he is superior to Oscar due to fluidity, dribbling and pace. Yes, he maybe lacks a bit vision in terms of through balls, but I'd prefer him to the slow-steady Oscar, if he remains incosistent, regardless of how good his finishing is. Banter side, where's Gilvorak, Pacquiao and the others from Oscar fan club? Surely it's time to mention Willian didn't score which is why Oscar is the #10? I'm not part of the Oscar fan club but there is a difference in style between them if they are playing that no. 10. I think Willian is much more suited in games where we are playing more counter attacking football and sit deeper since he allows us to relieve pressure with his superb ball carrying abilities. Oscar is better for me when we are trying to be more dominant. It's hard to say but I think it's his ability to position himself excellently and provide fluidity in the attack. Perhaps it's a coincidence but whenever he's on form, we look absolutely brilliant. But like many others have pointed out, Willian has upped his game. If he continues this upward trend I think he might just take over that spot permanently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,926 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 How about instead we try Oscar on the wing, Willian in the middle and make Ivanovic stay back and actually defend?Oscar doesn't have the pace or technical ability to be a top wing player. He's not able to burst along the touch line, beat a man, and swing in crosses like a top class winger does. Barbara, stroey, Stats and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeboii 1,844 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Oscar doesn't have the pace or technical ability to be a top wing player. He's not able to burst along the touch line, beat a man, and swing in crosses like a top class winger does.He played a lot on the wings in his first season here and was pretty good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Oscar doesn't have the pace or technical ability to be a top wing player. He's not able to burst along the touch line, beat a man, and swing in crosses like a top class winger does.He can press like mad though and would add a little creativity to the other wing too - something that on the wing Willian does not offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonsFinest 692 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I'm not part of the Oscar fan club but there is a difference in style between them if they are playing that no. 10. I think Willian is much more suited in games where we are playing more counter attacking football and sit deeper since he allows us to relieve pressure with his superb ball carrying abilities.Oscar is better for me when we are trying to be more dominant. It's hard to say but I think it's his ability to position himself excellently and provide fluidity in the attack. Perhaps it's a coincidence but whenever he's on form, we look absolutely brilliant.But like many others have pointed out, Willian has upped his game. If he continues this upward trend I think he might just take over that spot permanently.I know they are different. I just think and like I have mentioned, that if I have to pick between him and Oscar, both at their peak game, I'd take Willian 10 times out of 10. Stats and stroey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Willian's position is a number 10 for me, think he's been truly magical for a few months now. This now forces Oscar to the wide role and we need better than Oscar wide right. No more square pegs in round holes, we need to buy a top winger in the summer and for me Oscar is either a bench boy or sold. stroey and Eidur the Spider 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 For me, Reus is the only option. Pedro is not good enough for us. Sterling is good but is he better than Traore, or than Boga in a couple of years? Not for me. He won't be staying at Liverpool and I feel he will go to RM when they have their firesale, or City to replace a member of their aging squad. Plus next season Cuadrado will grow into his role.Reus for £50m would be absolutely fantastic value for money. The only other person I would consider if I were Jose would be Robben, but Bayern are not ready to get rid of him yet.Reus/Robben-Willian-Hazard for me is unstoppable. I accept Oscar would go the other way for Reus to come here. Reus-Cesc-Hazard in big games.The further alternative is to put Luis on the right wing. Seriously. I don't know how Atletico used him as a fullback last season because it's like watching Valencia when he plays there for United! Good winger though. Has a good shot on him and as Ivanovic on the right wing produces the crosses for us he can cut in and go into the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Eidur the Spider 4,515 Posted May 26, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted May 26, 2015 Willian has had an outstanding end to the season. I have been critical of him but he's proved me wrong and then some. His role is clearly the centre, he's made that position his own. It'll be interesting to see what happens next season but for now, Well in Willian!! stroey, Bluelsthecolour, zolayes and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNDS 502 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 The further alternative is to put Luis on the right wing. Seriously. I don't know how Atletico used him as a fullback last season because it's like watching Valencia when he plays there for United! Good winger though. Has a good shot on him and as Ivanovic on the right wing produces the crosses for us he can cut in and go into the box.Luis IS a (very) good defender when used properly, though. You don't become one of Simeone's 'untouchables' in defence without having considerable defensive ability and tactical discipline; he demands more of his teams in terms of defence than even Mourinho does. Besides, I would argue that Luis was outperforming both Ivan and Azpi from early January right through until mid-February, but wasn't given the chance to build upon this upturn in his performance levels; as soon as PSG came calling, he was back on the bench.Without being given a proper opportunity to acclimatise to our defensive system, it's inevitable that he will sometimes look uncomfortable when defending at LB for us. Whilst Atletico DO defend deep, their FBs are generally encouraged to be highly proactive in their tackling and intercepting because the rest of the team is so well-drilled/positioned when on the defensive. When Luis played at LB for Atletico, Simeone instructed him to be very aggressive in the tackle, such that he would either dispossess the opposing player outright, or force him into a hurried evasive action (either a dribble or a pass) that led straight into a dead-end covered by both a DM and the LM; whether Luis made the tackle or not, the end result was usually that the opposition lost the ball anyway. At Chelsea, whilst Ivan at RB IS generally provided with the level of cover/support he requires to defend effectively, the LB isn't (due to Hazard having the 'free' AM role), and so Mourinho prefers to use his best 1-on-1 defender (Azpi) in this position. Hybrid Angel, The Skipper, CurlyHairLikeLuiz and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneChan95 225 Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I know they are different. I just think and like I have mentioned, that if I have to pick between him and Oscar, both at their peak game, I'd take Willian 10 times out of 10.Ah fair enough then. I still think the best option is to sign a true no.10 but with the ability to press. Someone like Gotze would work IMHO. I quite like Willian on the wing since it pretty much nullifies their left side. Shakez and LondonsFinest 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork 1,794 Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Willian's position is a number 10 for me, think he's been truly magical for a few months now. This now forces Oscar to the wide role and we need better than Oscar wide right. No more square pegs in round holes, we need to buy a top winger in the summer and for me Oscar is either a bench boy or sold.I am Chelsea fan first and foremost. I would rather see Willian and Oscar compete for the CAM position, whoever is better should play.Any way fantastic finish to the season for Willian, hopefully him or Oscar can Solidify that CAM position next season. A RW is a must, Griezmann would be my choice atm. nadavTKL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Willian, Juan Cuadrado and Felipe Luis to miss start of Premier League season as South American trio 'need a holiday'This will leave us light in the attacking midfield department. Guess someone will be coming in or we'll utilise Salah...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Willian, Juan Cuadrado and Felipe Luis to miss start of Premier League season as South American trio 'need a holiday'This will leave us light in the attacking midfield department. Guess someone will be coming in or we'll utilise Salah...?Isn't Salah already a goner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Isn't Salah already a goner?No. We haven't heard anything official about his future yet. Last thing I saw (IIRC) was Fiorentina plan to sign him for another year but nothing has been said since then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 No. We haven't heard anything official about his future yet. Last thing I saw (IIRC) was Fiorentina plan to sign him for another year but nothing has been said since then.Yeah i know, but reportedly, there's a clause for Fiorentina to sign him permanently - which would be stupid for them not to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Yeah i know, but reportedly, there's a clause for Fiorentina to sign him permanently - which would be stupid for them not to use.Montella's future is reportedly uncertain at Fiorentina. If he leaves and the new manager doesn't fancy Salah, we would still have him. Alternatively, if Mourinho convince Salah to stay, then it won't matter whether Fiorentina activate the clause, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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