Chelsea Youth

[Jase 43,479]

I know everyone loves following superstars, big named players who shine brightly for there team, but who out there would rather watch a youngster come up through the grades? Develop through the academy, follow the player from a young age! Check out the Chelsea players we hope to be watching for a long time!

http://www.undisputedsports.com/2013/07/chelsea-youth-to-shine-bright/

No need for another thread.

Merging with the 'Chelsea Youth' topic.

[Tomo 21,751]

Man Utd Darren Fletcher John O'shea Danny Welbeck Tom Cleverly

Man city Micha Richards Joe Hart. Nedum Onuoha

Liverpool.... Raheem Sterling Martin Kelly Jay Spearing...

Tottenham Andros Townsend Ledley King Jake Livermore Danny Rose Kyle Walker ( Kyle Walker is debatable but he still started off in the youth academy then broke through)

Chelsea Bench Warmer oh sorry I meant Ryan Bertrand

For a start all the player's i highlighted had to prove themself's on PL loans before they got a shot at their respective clubs and secondly Hart, King and Walker aside, none of those players mentioned have been first Xl players at their clubs for an extended period of time (not at their parent clubs anyhow), so you say Bertrand's a bench warmer, well so are all of those players you have listed bar 3.

[Tomo 21,751]

Im not too bothered about criticism off our own youth system as we haven't produced as many as we should have, what i really hate hearing is other clubs (namely Man.Utd) being used as an example of how it should be done. They way they casted aside Morrison because he had a little of bit of an attitude was borderline criminal.

[Atlas Lion 1,223]

You're talking about a United academy that was streets ahead of us in the mid-90s so I'd again refer you to the earlier point that you just need to be patient. The club was overhauled almost completely when Roman took over, the academy and training facilities included. In recent years we've had great success in the FA Youth Cup and now we have players on the cusp of breaking through, although if you want to denigrate Chelsea players like Ryan Bertrand as 'Bench Warmer' than that's up to you. Personally I think he did alright when he started for us in the Champions League Final.

Fuck off calling our academy crap OK. I'm trying to be polite but people like you who just want to moan and moan and moan really do test my patience. Maybe you should start writing letters to Points of View or your local newspaper and complain about potholes.....or just have a wank .

Our academy's performance in tournaments is anything but crap. The results speak for themselves, but so do the performances of young men like Ruben Loftus-Cheek and Nat Chalobah.

If you really want to compare us to Southampton then fine - they have lower expectations than us. When Oxlade-Chamberlain and Walcott broke through I believe they were in the Championship, although I commend them for sticking by Luke Shaw last season. Unfortunately the constant need for success and lack of patience from our fans (who also call our academy crap) means that players don't get the chance to learn in our team, and that's a real shame.

Ultimately you people are part of the problem. You want all the reward without any of the discomfort and that's cancerous to any club looking to develop youngsters. We're about a decade into a new era for our club, so anyone who was expecting La Masia to spring up overnight (without a B team to help them) was going to be sorely disappointed.

Amen.

Some fans just lack patience and can't truly understand what it means for the club and the league to establish homegrown players.

Might aswell call it La Premier Liga now

Edited August 9, 2013 by Cicero

[Yeboii 1,844]

Chelsea U21s have been doing great against Southampton U21s... Baker scored a really good goal (from a freekick, I think it was a failed cross). Brown scored a good header after a good build up. Davey scored a header after a freekick from Baker. Feruz scored a really great goal from far out after a great strike.

[Stats 7,147]

http://www.chelseafc.com/under21s-article/article/3435710/title/under-21s-report-chelsea-5-leicester-city-1

That is 4 in 3 for Brown now. Can see the fuss over him and why he already has made his PL debut. Got 4 in 3 for us in the U21 league so far and plus the numerous amount of goals he scored in pre-season and he is only 16. Skipped past the U18 level and already looks too good for the U21s. Our team for the youth cup is going to look quite menacing with the likes of him, Boga, RLC, Feruz, Musonda...

[The only place to be 11,313]

My optimism is waning.

Maybe I'm being harsh, but I think EVERY single youth product over the age of 17 has either stagnated or regressed upon the arrival of Jose Mourinho.

Chalobah has gone from a play-off club to another play-off club who aren't actually as good as the one he was at last season.

McEachran has gone to a Championship club where he's got fewer games.

Ake has gone from the fringes of the first-team squad to a youth team player exclusively.

Apart from Baker, no-one stepped up to the league cup squad.

Courtois and Lukaku are roughly where they were last season.

De Bruyne.....urgh.

Piazon has gone from the first-team squad and Malaga, to Vitesse.

Bertrand....if anyone sees him can you get him to call his mum.

Kalas...unfortunately injured.

Loftus-Cheek may have been eaten by Toure after the friendly in America.

[Spike 12,049]

No its not though because we have spent much more then any other and we've constantly failed at this club. We actually brought it into fashion to spend millions on youth player who are 16-18 years of age its ridiculous !

Last 13 Years since the start of this century players that are home grown or bought at very young ages who played for the youth academy before breaking through....

Man Utd Darren Fletcher John O'shea Danny Welbeck Tom Cleverly

Man city Micha Richards Joe Hart. Nedum Onuoha

Liverpool.... Raheem Sterling Martin Kelly Jay Spearing...

Tottenham Andros Townsend Ledley King Jake Livermore Danny Rose Kyle Walker ( Kyle Walker is debatable but he still started off in the youth academy then broke through)

Chelsea Bench Warmer oh sorry I meant Ryan Bertrand

John Terry broke through in 1998 and if you say Ledley king broke through at a similar time he never because it was his performance at Anfield in November 2000 that got him into the Tottenham first team squad.

Raheem Sterling barely even counts. He was at QPR for much longer than Liverpool.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

It does get very frustrating. But whenever the first team is under more pressure than usual, all talks about youth integration disappear. Hopefully with some good results and some stability, we'll at least see the likes of Kalas, Omeruo and Ake in some matches in the second half of the season.

[The only place to be 11,313]

If there's little will to bring youth through to the first team, what is the point in having an academy? We might as well just buy players at 18 and not bother with our own production line.

[Rmpr 8,977]

People in here are so naive when it comes to youth academies and their expectations, it is unbelievable!

[The only place to be 11,313]

People in here are so naive when it comes to youth academies and their expectations, it is unbelievable!

People in here are not naive when it comes to youth academies and have reasonable expectations.

Okay.

Enjoy.

[Strike 7,494]

Piazon has gone from the first-team squad and Malaga, to Vitesse.

Piazon has been very good for Vitesse so far, even PvA

[ChelseasMessiah 304]

Harsh on Piazon, he's been fantastic at Vitesse, and is so far one of the best players in the Eredivisie this season, and like he says, they play football the right way there, no hoofing.

It was a great league for Suarez to hone his skills, Piazon is getting exactly what he needs, games.

[lionsden 4,689]

Harsh on Piazon, he's been fantastic at Vitesse, and is so far one of the best players in the Eredivisie this season, and like he says, they play football the right way there, no hoofing.

It was a great league for Suarez to hone his skills, Piazon is getting exactly what he needs, games.

And after his loan spells what do we expect to happen to him ultimately?. . .even if he continues to excel at every club we decide to farm him out to on loan. if a genuinely world class player like mata and KDB, a certified Belgian int'l are struggling for game time under mourinho then Piazon or whoever has no chance in **** of making it here. by making it, I'm referring to having decent to solid first team participation.

Boga and Traore will likely suffer similar fate as by the time they reach the "right age" they would still gave oscar, mata (if he stays) william to contend with and going by the recent and worrying trend of stockpilping attacking midfielders, more £20m plus AM purchase is inevitable to further destroy their chances of ever making it.

[lionsden 4,689]

If there's little will to bring youth through to the first team, what is the point in having an academy? We might as well just buy players at 18 and not bother with our own production line.

I lost faith in our commitment to youth development and integrating academy players into the first team when we bought Van Ginkel and gave him the spot that could and should have been offered to either Chalobah or Nathan Ake. some could argue even RLC. but ofcourse the grass is always greener on the other side. . . .he's dutch int'l, so he must be better.

[ChelseasMessiah 304]

And after his loan spells what do we expect to happen to him ultimately?. . .even if he continues to excel at every club we decide to farm him out to on loan. if a genuinely world class player like mata and KDB, a certified Belgian int'l are struggling for game time under mourinho then Piazon or whoever has no chance in **** of making it here. by making it, I'm referring to having decent to solid first team participation.

Boga and Traore will likely suffer similar fate as by the time they reach the "right age" they would still gave oscar, mata (if he stays) william to contend with and going by the recent and worrying trend of stockpilping attacking midfielders, more £20m plus AM purchase is inevitable to further destroy their chances of ever making it.

I genuinely don't know. He's excelling in Holland and I think he's got the potential to be a great player, Rodgers was apparently keen to snatch him from us in September, perhaps that could be his next move on loan so he can then make it here or else where. A player's career depends on his innate level of talent and the performances on the pitch, it's all up to him really. And that goes for all our loanees and youth players.

The truly great players always make it to the top of the pyramid, barring injuries or any psychological problems.

[ChelseasMessiah 304]

I lost faith in our commitment to youth development and integrating academy players into the first team when we bought Van Ginkel and gave him the spot that could and should have been offered to either Chalobah or Nathan Ake. some could argue even RLC. but ofcourse the grass is always greener on the other side. . . .he's dutch int'l, so he must be better.

Youth development doesn't quite work that way. It's not like making a car, as I said above it all depends on the intrinsic level of talent of the player in the first place. Coaching, training. etc. only serve to prepare players for their careers. Barcelona have been developing players for decades, but how come there has been only one Lionel Messi? If you watch clips of him on youtube at the age of 5, he's virtually the same player.

[didierforever 7,349]

so let me get this straight. we should throw out the likes of mata, hazard, kdb, oscar, schurlle, willian so that there is place in the team for the likes of piazon, kakuta, boga etc. that seems like a perfectly decent request.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Piazon has been very good for Vitesse so far, even PvA

No doubt, but where's he going to go from there? Even if we sold him I'm not sure we'd recoup the transfer fee, wages and associated costs.

With regards Piazon, I've never been overly impressed with him since his days in the youth team. Nice player but never took the game by the balls like you'd perhaps hope he might (and like Boga does). Could have a decent career but not here in my opinion.

I lost faith in our commitment to youth development and integrating academy players into the first team when we bought Van Ginkel and gave him the spot that could and should have been offered to either Chalobah or Nathan Ake. some could argue even RLC. but ofcourse the grass is always greener on the other side. . . .he's dutch int'l, so he must be better.

I had no problem with Van Ginkel because I thought he would compliment Mikel, Lamps, Chalobah, Ake and Ramires....I didn't expect us to recall Essien, loan Chalobah and bury Ake in the youth team.

Youth development doesn't quite work that way. It's not like making a car, as I said above it all depends on the intrinsic level of talent of the player in the first place. Coaching, training. etc. only serve to prepare players for their careers. Barcelona have been developing players for decades, but how come there has been only one Lionel Messi? If you watch clips of him on youtube at the age of 5, he's virtually the same player.

So your argument is that Barca have only produced one 'greatest player of all time'?

I think the most of us would be happy with the development of squad players like Valdes, Montoya, Tello, Pedro etc.

Or maybe other worldies like Puyol, Iniesta, Guardiola, Xavi etc.

Of course that's ignoring the comment about the 'intrinsic level of talent of the player in the first place' because players like Chalobah are immensely talented and physically ready. Yet they are farmed out to Championship sides.