Asier Illaramendi

[Leif 6,006]

@,

Before I reply - How many games of his have you watched? Not being a dick, genuinely curious. Just like he may have made a good impression on you in 1 game Cavani likely made a bad impression on many vs. Spain. I just need to know so I can gauge how to reply.

[JDY 1,290]

Wasn't Romeu the fulcrum of the Spanish side before his injury?

Illara is obviously a good player but you simply can't ignore the system he's playing, the players supporting him and the quality of the opposition he's facing.

Lets see how he performs in the upcoming CL before crowning him the next Busquets/Redondo or whatever.

That was Javi Martinez in the tournament where Mata was named MVP.

We are not talking about just this tournament, but his season for Real Sociedad, where is role was different to that for Spain. But I agree, I'd like to see how he fairs in the CL.

[OneMoSalah 8,888]

Wasn't Romeu the fulcrum of the Spanish side before his injury?

Illara is obviously a good player but you simply can't ignore the system he's playing, the players supporting him and the quality of the opposition he's facing.

Lets see how he performs in the upcoming CL before crowning him the next Busquets/Redondo or whatever.

No. Romeu has played like 5 times for the Spanish u21s. Romeu is an actual holding MF player as well in comparison to Illaramendi who is not.

@,

Before I reply - How many games of his have you watched? Not being a dick, genuinely curious. Just like he may have made a good impression on you in 1 game Cavani likely made a bad impression on many vs. Spain. I just need to know so I can gauge how to reply.

I watched the Spanish u21s games he participated in the Under 21s European Championship.

[Gilvorak 3,734]

@,

Before I reply - How many games of his have you watched? Not being a dick, genuinely curious. Just like he may have made a good impression on you in 1 game Cavani likely made a bad impression on many vs. Spain. I just need to know so I can gauge how to reply.

That's actually an excellent point so many posters are quick to point out you shouldn't judge a struggling player on a couple of games at International level but then go on to claim a player is the best thing since Yeezus based on a 4/5 game tournament.

[Gilvorak 3,734]

That was Javi Martinez in the tournament where Mata was named MVP.

We are not talking about just this tournament, but his season for Real Sociedad, where is role was different to that for Spain. But I agree, I'd like to see how he fairs in the CL.

I know that lol.

Alot can change in a couple of months in football but I'm almost certain Romeu was first choice for Spain before his injury. I could be wrong though.

Anyway, this is a pointless argument/debate. We won't sign him.

[LukakutoStamford 779]

massively overrated player not worth his release clause

[Leif 6,006]

I watched the Spanish u21s games he participated in the Under 21s European Championship.

So you've only seen him play in probably the best U21 team in history and not his club games against top opposition yet.

That U21 team would make Marin look like the German Messi he was tipped by some fools to be originally and make Moses literally look like the original Moses and score without even touching the ball.

It has to be added that had Romeu not suffered his injury he would have been playing ahead of Asier no doubt or splitting the playing time 50-50 at most. Romeu was an absolute wall for the U21 side when he was playing.

Why concern ourselves with the back-up option to who was the original starting-option for the U21 side before his injury?

[OneMoSalah 8,888]

So you've only seen him play in probably the best U21 team in history and not his club games against top opposition yet.

That U21 team would make Marin look like the German Messi he was tipped by some fools to be originally and make Moses literally look like the original Moses and score without even touching the ball.

It has to be added that had Romeu not suffered his injury he would have been playing ahead of Asier no doubt or splitting the playing time 50-50 at most. Romeu was an absolute wall for the U21 side when he was playing.

Why concern ourselves with the back-up option to who was the original starting-option for the U21 side before his injury?

I hardly doubt Romeu would have started if he was fit, hes not even better than Malaga's Camacho who never even started at DM. The fact the U21s played without a natural DM player just shows that they obviously rate Illaramendi better than Camacho (who is a better player than Romeu).

How can you even say Romeu was a wall for the U21s? hes played 10 times and I'm pretty sure he was used as a center back as opposed to a holding MF a few times. He didn't even start a lot of those games either, Javi Martinez played ahead of him when he was eligible for the U21s.

[lucio 5,418]

romeu was great for spain u20 in the same world cup oscar starred in. but im pretty certain camacho would of gone ahead of him even if he was fit. camacho is a fine player.

[Christo191 173]

More news from L'Equipe as Arsenal are interested in signing Asier Illarramendi of Real Sociedad. The club asking for €12m -W.

[lucio 5,418]

More news from L'Equipe as Arsenal are interested in signing Asier Illarramendi of Real Sociedad. The club asking for €12m -W.

would be a bargain for that price

[Christo191 173]

for Arsenal!

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

The kid has a release clause of around 30 million i believe, but he could very well be worth almost every cent.

You have a young much more mobile Xabi Alonso type player.

Watching Busquets and Illaramendi in the spanish NT will be orgasmic.

DLP's are my favorite players, their tactical nous, their defensive ability, and their long balls are what id like to have been able to do if i were a professional footballer lol.

Pirlo,Sahin,Alonso, Illaramendi, etc.

[Toli 977]

The kid has a release clause of around 30 million i believe, but he could very well be worth almost every cent.

You have a young much more mobile Xabi Alonso type player.

Watching Busquets and Illaramendi in the spanish NT will be orgasmic.

DLP's are my favorite players, their tactical nous, their defensive ability, and their long balls are what id like to have been able to do if i were a professional footballer lol.

Pirlo,Sahin,Alonso, Illaramendi, etc.

illaramendi is not really a DLP. and he isnt playing that for Real Sociedad neither. he is more a DM/B2B for Real Sociedad but not a DLP....also he is definelty no long-range passer. so comparisons between xabi and him are non-existable. he is a good player though, but no "next xabi"- because he plays different than him.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

WRONG.

Look I've seen that you really have problems with defining Player Roles.

You have even come to call Modric a DM lol.

You have to get your facts straight.

Illaramendi first of all is not a DM. He doesn't have the complete traits or abilities a (DM!) Has so please do not call him this.

A DM is a Makalele, Lassana Diarra, De Rossi, THESE ARE DM'S.

He is not a B2B either, just because you see him progress forwards along the pitch sometimes doesnt mean hes a B2B.

He has NOTHING of a B2B, specially not the mobility.

A B2B is Yaya Toure, Khedira(he doesnt either but this is what he is, a jack of all trades master of none, and he should not be playing for a Top Club as a starter, this guys is irrelevant), Paulinho.

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/87094

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/4961

(edit) ( Also who scored can sometimes be a bit simplistic about their terms when looking at the positioning map, if it refers to Alonso as a defensive midfielder it does so because he has defensive capabilities, it also adds that he is a centre midfielder, who scored its a good website but it doesnt coin the correct terms, they dont make the contextual errors that you do though. )

Please compare every bit of statistic.

He is a CDM with DLP Capabilities such as Alonso.

Time and Time you have tried to argument with me about many things like about Di Maria, Khedira, Isco, Modric, and Now Illarramendi

I appreciate the wanting to discuss, but you are horribly wrong each and every time, and never bother to reply with any valid or resourceful arguments.

So get your facts straight before you try to argument with me as you never start correctly, and make tremendous mistakes.

Learn your player roles too.

Modric a DM?

Illarramendi a DM/B2B?

Illarramendi not a long range passer?

Dear lord now.

Ill even give you some videos so that you educate your self about the individual capabilities he posseses.

I suggest you never try to argument with me or anyone about tactics as you could confuse others that just want to read others opinions. I have no idea what it is you watch when trying to talk about players.

Calling Modric a DM is like saying Ferrari makes jet fighters. Its horribly wrong lol. i cant take you seriously if you make arguments the way you do, and i say this because you try to reply against what i say, and its laughably wrong each and every time.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

Also, about DLP's.

Here's a masterful description about what a DLP is.

Illarramendi certainly has the CDM and DLP capabilities. (When thinking about CDM's thing about players like Gonalons and the Bender Twins, or CM's with defensive capabilities. CDM's are basically defensive midfielders with good passing capabilities that help link him to the middle of the spectrum between a DM and A CM, while there are also other CDM's like Alonso, Gundogan (yes indeed), and Illarramendi, who are the same but with more playmaking and game controlling mechanics along with defensive abilities.)

(Some players prefer to set up an attack from a withdrawn position, and are often coined deep-lying playmakers, mainly because of their ability to spread play and dictate the game from a withdrawn position. Despite their deep role, they are not classed as defensive midfielders as tackling and defence are not the main function of their roles, and they may have to be supported by a holding midfielder.

Deep-lying playmakers are typically given a moderate amount of defensive responsibilities, but are granted freedom positionally to dictate the play as it evolves, as well as a license to attempt long, riskier passes to the forwards. Examples of these kinds of players include Andrea Pirlo, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Paul Scholes, and Xabi Alonso.

The essential attributes of a deep-lying playmaker include:

• Good long passing ability, to play balls towards forwards and wingers. Crossfield wangers are typically attempted from deep when the opposing full back is drawn towards the middle and there is an open channel in the flank for the on rushing winger.
• Short passing ability. Although many deep-lying playmakers have natural talent and creativity, they are expected to play short simple passes when deep in their half to avoid the possibility of a counter-attack. They are however given some degree of freedom in playing long passes deep into opposition territory.
• Creativity/Vision. The deep-lying playmaker needs to spot openings and opportunities to build up play.
• A good and sure first touch to control the ball when receiving passes under sustained opposition pressure.

In Italy, the Deep-lying playmaker is commonly referred to as the regista.

Also, this excerpt talks about Mr Bastian Schweinsteiger...this man is a complete package, B2B,CDM,CM,DLP. All qualify the man. But hes not strictly a CDM/DLP like Sahin, Alonso, Pirlo, which are my favorite styles.

[Toli 977]

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I appreciate the wanting to discuss, but you are horribly wrong each and every time, and never bother to reply with any valid or resourceful arguments."

so because you are saying Di Maria is shit (which he obviously isnt) my argumetns are "invalid"? go and watch the first 2 seasons about Di Maria

And no Khedira isnt SHIT either. but I assume, Joachim Löw and Jose Mourinho are idiots comparing to yourself, you tactical genius, arent they?!

And no, Illara IS NOT a long-range passer. he neither plays it for Spain and not even for Real Sociedad. how many games do you have watched from Illara? all the games from the U-21 and thats it I assume. he is more a DM with strong technique and ability to go forward- but he is NO DLP as Schweinsteiger, Pirlo, Xabi, Modric and who else you want to call. if you cant get this, go back playing Fifa or whatever you got your opinions from

and he HASNT GOT the capabilties of Alonso. THEY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLAYERS. But you know: he is a basque, playing for the same club in a similiar position as Alonso = next Xabi Alonso. only because the media is assuming something, it isnt always right. as if robinho is the next pele or neymar or others. they tend to overhype players really fast so calm down, wathc some games and then come back discussing about things, you obviously dont have a clue about. beside the fact, that sociedad are playing a more direct, short-passing style without a lot of long balls. but Illara is definetly not a DLP with long-range passes over 40, 50 metres, like Alonso can do them.

with DM as Modric I meant playing behind the AMF..i didnt mean playing him as a destroyer like Lass or Gravesen or these type of players. it was just the position on the pitch I meant, NOT HIS ROLE. I know that he is not A DESTROYER but a creative player, or mostly a DLP.

i am from Germany so DM here means something different than in England sometimes. its the problem with the clear position-naming..but of course I know that Luka is not a destroyer. in english you just have a lot of position names...regista, DM, holding midfielder, anchor midfielder etc etc.

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

What happened to Romeu?

No need for a young, up and coming DM when we have Romeu. What we need is someone like De Rossi, older and in their prime.

[yuvala 2,167]

What happened to Romeu?

No need for a young, up and coming DM when we have Romeu. What we need is someone like De Rossi, older and in their prime.

Honestly, I really don't rate Romeu that high... haven't seen too much brilliance from him.

We really do need someone like De Rossi though..

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

"

I appreciate the wanting to discuss, but you are horribly wrong each and every time, and never bother to reply with any valid or resourceful arguments."

so because you are saying Di Maria is shit (which he obviously isnt) my argumetns are "invalid"? go and watch the first 2 seasons about Di Maria

And no Khedira isnt SHIT either. but I assume, Joachim Löw and Jose Mourinho are idiots comparing to yourself, you tactical genius, arent they?!

And no, Illara IS NOT a long-range passer. he neither plays it for Spain and not even for Real Sociedad. how many games do you have watched from Illara? all the games from the U-21 and thats it I assume. he is more a DM with strong technique and ability to go forward- but he is NO DLP as Schweinsteiger, Pirlo, Xabi, Modric and who else you want to call. if you cant get this, go back playing Fifa or whatever you got your opinions from

and he HASNT GOT the capabilties of Alonso. THEY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLAYERS. But you know: he is a basque, playing for the same club in a similiar position as Alonso = next Xabi Alonso. only because the media is assuming something, it isnt always right. as if robinho is the next pele or neymar or others. they tend to overhype players really fast so calm down, wathc some games and then come back discussing about things, you obviously dont have a clue about. beside the fact, that sociedad are playing a more direct, short-passing style without a lot of long balls. but Illara is definetly not a DLP with long-range passes over 40, 50 metres, like Alonso can do them.

with DM as Modric I meant playing behind the AMF..i didnt mean playing him as a destroyer like Lass or Gravesen or these type of players. it was just the position on the pitch I meant, NOT HIS ROLE. I know that he is not A DESTROYER but a creative player, or mostly a DLP.

i am from Germany so DM here means something different than in England sometimes. its the problem with the clear position-naming..but of course I know that Luka is not a destroyer. in english you just have a lot of position names...regista, DM, holding midfielder, anchor midfielder etc etc.

No your arguments are invalid because you arent resourceful with your arguments as well.

Khedira and Di Maria are horse piss and you have never been able to set up an argument against it other than saying...

"what how can you say that!"

Please....

COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLAYERS!?? Dear Lord....llarramendi is a CDM with DLP capabilities its clear even on the spanish videos, again your comments are irrelevant when they are wrong like this.

Oh and just becuase a system have a player playing a certain way doesnt mean he doesnt have other capabilities.

Please come back to me when you learn your terms and learn how to classify players.

Saying Illarramendi isnt a cdm and doesnt have dlp capabilities is kinda sad really.

(Also learn how to read ahaha, i said hes an alonso type player but only more mobile because thats what he is, read up on your terms, you envision DLP's as only spraying balls all over the place and thats a very narrow minded understanding of the term.) Not only are you confused and uneducated, but also narrow minded!!!!

My stats and the number of long balls per game also prove me right..ahahah take a walk toli. And watch the videos that make you look like a fraud.