🇪🇸 Fernando Torres

[Tricky 301]

The difference between Torres, Ivanovic and Ramires is that the last two actually proved that they are important for Chelsea. People are patient with the players who deserve patience. I've personally been patient with Torres for almost two years, but I'm done. I know that Ramires and Ivanovic are great players and I hope they will be back at their best soon, but I can't say the same thing about Fernando. Not anymore. Enough it's enough.

P.S: Tell me one single game since Torres is here when everyone was poor, but Fernando was great.

P.P.S: I forgot to mention that Ivanovic and Ramires are forced to play as RB and RM. Ivanovic is clearly a CB, and Ramires is a CM.

The thing is everyone keeps banging on about Drogba....

In his first 18 months he was poor, touch was bad, missed chances, sulked.... And this was in a team which crushed everyone domestically. His first full season he scored 16, Torres scored 11 in a struggling team and created more assists.

People also dismiss the fact that Drigba recorded five league goals last year. All our strikers struggled, not just Nando.

This year Torres started brightly, had a few bad games but on the whole has improved with 3 in 7 games. People still moaning about him, one bad game and the bashing starts.

Your entitled to your opinions. I accept he could be better, but I'll judge him at Xmas, once he and the team have had time to gel.

[Tricky 301]

It's no wonder members like myself hardly come on here now, just reading this thread is enough to make you feel suicidal!

There is no doubt that Torres needs a boot up the arse and the likes of Jose or a Fergy would do that although i am unsure Di Matteo will do it and that is a small part of the problem, i also stated last season that i feel he has lost a yard of pace which is a massive loss to any leading striker. Nonetheless the patience and lack of understanding of some of our fans now is shocking, Roman has given RDM the tools to bring out the best in Torres - everything has been put in place to get him scoring again, unfortunately the set up behind him isn't working, team selection needs some surgery because my issue with all this is - i would be worried more if his team mates were actually creating chances for him and he was missing them regularly - I would be critical then too, like the majority on here but please give Torres and RDM time to get it right!

I am not going to go into details about where i believe things could be improved but i will sum it up by stating that we need to attack in numbers which is not happening with this system, it's designed to be more offensive but looks more defensive to me especially with team selection which has a detrimental effect on Torres.

We were patient with Drogba, and i would urge fans to give Torres til January at least - if RDM selects the right players/formation and takes the shackles off a little we will start creating those chances for Torres, then and only then be critical not after half a dozen games in a new system that is in it's infancy.

Agreed, I wonder about the mentality of some people, they show no loyalty to players and demand instant success.

It's fairly obvious to me that service to him has been poor in the last three games, team appears to lack balance an has yet to gel (think RDM needs to address the width issue). Like you I feel it would be fairer to judge him at Xmas.

Ps - I believe he is going to score 20+ goals this year, and I'm going to enjoy bumping these threads when the time comes!

[Buffalo talks Blue 85]

Torres is a fuckin great striker no doubt 'bout that. Ever since he joined Chelsea he's not much of a talent. Wonder why O.o

He gets all weak and gives sloppy performances when suffers from a bad hair day. But when his hair is all shiny and well colored he seems to score goals. YES I HAVE NOTICED THAT!

I really want him to play well on the pitch. It's time he starts caring a little less about his looks and starts concentrating on giving Chelsea FC something.

[GodZola 630]

Agreed, I wonder about the mentality of some people, they show no loyalty to players and demand instant success.

It's fairly obvious to me that service to him has been poor in the last three games, team appears to lack balance an has yet to gel (think RDM needs to address the width issue). Like you I feel it would be fairer to judge him at Xmas.

Ps - I believe he is going to score 20+ goals this year, and I'm going to enjoy bumping these threads when the time comes!

I've read most your post Tricky and concur with you fella. Fans are spoilt nowadays - they want to try thinking what it was like supporting us in the late 70's, periods of the 80's and early 90's and perhaps they may have a little more patience!

You hit the nail on the head and sum it up with the word 'balance'! I have to say i don't like Torres's body language at times or his strops but give the boy a chance to show he is capable in a well machined team before being judge and jury!

[Kinol 337]

Stop comparing Torres situation with Drogbas situation when he first came here. It was 2 different senarios. Ive already written about this so im just going to copy and paste this:

Drogba was bought to Chelsea after just one good season and that was in the French ligue. Ofcouse he needed some time to adapt (and he still scored more goals than torres during his first 2 seasons in a new club, league and country). Compare that to Torres who was bought in after being dubbed as one of the best strikers in the world.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

if you think Torres doesn't put effort in then you clearly dont watch him enough, that is actually why the fans at the bridge including myself always support him and chant his name because we know he is struggling but he always works his socks off and puts in a lot of effort.

He is a striker. He is there to score goals. He isn't even close to doing that based on his last three performances.

[Las7 951]

Exactly Alex - don't care if we have a forward that just stands in one spot for 90 minutes if that forward gets us the winning goal with his only touch for the entire game. In the end football is a simple game - the team that scores the most goals wins the game. It's why Messi plays everywhere for Barca and why Ronaldo spends more time up top for Real than on the wing , it's why people like Inzaghi have a legendary career despite not being complete footballers - as long as these "forwards" remain effective at winning games for their clubs I don't think anyone in management will question them.

If Huguin and Benzema don't score in 24 hours of football, I have very little doubt they would be dropped by Jose - even though Benzema adds a lot to Real's game other than scoring.

It's like that in some clubs you have guys like Zlatan; Berbatov wonderful players even when they aren't scoring they provide a lot to their teams but SAF dropped Berbatov even though he was scoring - when he was playing last year. That might have been one of the things that didn't help with their goal difference as Hernandez and Welbeck were struggling to put the ball in the back of the net and they lost the title. When someone is scoring goals you don't drop em, you drop em when they stop scoring and bring em on as subs to prove themselves once again. Rooney is an automatic starter even though he suffers goal droughts but unlike Torres he is proven at MU, so they can afford to give him time to regain his goal scoring form. We have given 2 years to Torres and he isn't doing what we signed him for constantly enough.

If Torres doesn't have 15 goals and at least 6 winners by 1st of January in all competitions he should be sold.

[GodZola 630]

Isn't it last season's story ?

Judging by that thread, it actually was

As i stated SeB, a new system brings along different problems and changing formations and style of play will have it's set backs - sometimes you need to go back before moving forward, we also have several new players who also need time to bed in and get used to a different culture etc, so whilst last years thread had some relevance i cannot for the life of me understand why fans don't show a little more understanding and more pertinently patience!

[BleedsBlue 1,549]

If he fails to score against Stoke then people are going to say that its impossible for any striker to score against 10 defenders and then the excuses will go on.

[Las7 951]

Even Messi would struggle on a cold, rainy night at the Bridge against Stoke

[Beepu 1,714]

Geez... this Torres debate always gets very tense, alot of personal insults that is unneeded. Lets keep it chill guys, dont make the more reasonable posters tired of reading 3 pages long angry arguments about torres. I am a Torres fan, even before he went to chelsea and i supported him so strongly so far, but honestly it is hard to do that recently. I will always wish for his success here and i will always support him as i support all chelsea players, but that measly 11 clear cut chances are partly his fault too, during his first 6 months i did see players not passing to him when he is in a good position but nowadays he doesnt seem to be in the right position at the right time. The newcastle game was the best game so far.

[termninja 5,290]

Alright, here's the thing. I didn't want to get on his back so soon, but he has been here for some time and I'm getting the deja vu feeling all over again...

Forget your opponents, forget the way you play, forget the players you have and forget their effort. If you outscore your opponents you will win (minus 2 leg games) - simple as that.

Torres is a striker who is earning more then 150k per week and was paid 50 million pounds. He is supposed to make other 10 players perform much better when he plays (not by motivation,but by his quality) rather then require world class playmakers who send perfectly timed through balls and offer him goals on a fucking plate. He is supposed to make defenders shit themselves and he is supposed to be that small thing that edges us ahead of equal opponents.

We play well, they play well, and BAM Torres scores.

It's how you win some games really no matter your tactics and certain players, by simply putting the ball in the back of the net more then your opponents.

Look at Arsenal last season. Awful squad, but RVP carried to a 3rd place.

Look at the recent Real Madrid vs Man City game. Real bossed them for almost a whole game, yet they barely managed to win and were losing for 2 times.

It's goals, goals and goals...

Fernando is 28 and one of his biggest attributes is was pace. He used to have a rocket up his arse and now it looks like he has a fridge....

And what if he gets injured? We won't be able to sell him for anything reasonable and we will pray that manages to get back at his current level which isn't to our satisfaction.

Just look at the video below. That is Fernando Torres we wanted here. That is Fernando Torres we brought in one of the biggest transfers in the history of football.

Has he EVER looked like that for his time here? The best he looked in our shirt, he reminded me of a mediocre on form striker, nothing above that...has it ever happened that he inspired our victory over someone big? Yes, a goal at Camp Nou, but really 1 on 1 with Valdes?

Lads, look at the video below and look at that player shown on it. Look at what he does and how he does it. Now look at some pages back and you will find people praising his time here for the corner he won and the goal he scored against a mediocre GK with no one around him. Those 2 are regarded as his...biggest achievements at Chelsea football club for being here for almost 2 years.

Once one of the best strikers in the world now praised for a corner and a 1on1 with a keeper.

Don't get me wrong, I really like the lad. He is a great person and a likeable player, but I am not a Fernando Torres fan, I am a Chelsea football club fan and I want what is the best for the club. When I see a part that is broken or isn't up to the task, I want it replaced with a new one that will work better, simple as that.

[Madmax 9,219]

Fernando is excellent value for money.

On Football Manager.

[Kieran. 6,317]

It's Sturridge's spot as far as I'm concerned, he better change that tomorrow.

[Joker10 946]

Best paid players in the World:

1. Samuel Eto'o (Anzhi)

2. Zlatan Ibrahimovic (PSG)

3. Wayne Rooney (Man Utd)

4. Yaya Toure (Man City)

5. Sergio Aguero (Man City)

6. Didier Drogba (Shanghai)

7. Fernando Torres (Chelsea)

8. Dario Conca (Guangzhou)

9. Lionel Messi (Barcelona)

10. Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid)

Who is Dario Conca? Chinese are paying $12.5 million per year for some unknown player lol - makes me feel a bit better about the whole situation with Torres. At least we "though" he might be worth the money

can i get a link to that list?

[Madmax 9,219]

can i get a link to that list?

That list is from caughtoffside while Forbes published this list back in April.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

He is a striker. He is there to score goals. He isn't even close to doing that based on his last three performances.

you don't say.

why are you telling me anyway? like that is something new, talk about random!

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

Best paid players in the World:

1. Samuel Eto'o (Anzhi)

2. Zlatan Ibrahimovic (PSG)

3. Wayne Rooney (Man Utd)

4. Yaya Toure (Man City)

5. Sergio Aguero (Man City)

6. Didier Drogba (Shanghai)

7. Fernando Torres (Chelsea)

8. Dario Conca (Guangzhou)

9. Lionel Messi (Barcelona)

10. Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid)

Who is Dario Conca? Chinese are paying $12.5 million per year for some unknown player lol - makes me feel a bit better about the whole situation with Torres. At least we "though" he might be worth the money

DISGRACE!!!!

[Las7 951]

can i get a link to that list?

I got that list from BBC, but I guess they could have gotten it from Forbes. Its obvious the real top players make most of their money from advertisement rather than wages

Rooney - 44 appearances 35 goals

RvP - 48 appearances 37 goals

Agüero - 41 appearance 27 goals

Adebayor - 37 appearance 18 goals

Defoe - 38 appearance 17 goals

Torres - 49 appearances 11 goals

Andy Carroll - 47 appearance 9 goals

Andy Carrollol is currently playing at his level at West Ham, Torres has been awarded an automatic first 11 position for the Champions League winners. Makes perfect sense.

2011 - 12 Premier League:

Jelavic (Everton) - 16 appearances 11 goals

Suarez (Liverpool) - 39 appearances 17 goals

Dempsey (Fulham) - 46 appearance 23 goals

Odemwingie (West Brom) - 30 appearances 11 goals

Danny Graham (Swansea) - 39 appearances 14 goals

Grant Holt ( Norwich City) - 38 appearances 17 goals

Bendtner (Sunderland) - 31 appearances 8 goals

Crouch ( Stoke City) - 40 appearances 14 goals

Franco Di Santo ( Wigan) - 32 appearances 7 goals

Darrent Bent (Aston Villa) - 25 appearances 10 goals

Helguson ( QRP) - 34 appearances 13 goals

Klasnic ( Bolton) - 29 appearances 8 goals

Yakubu ( Blackburn) - 33 appearances 18 goals

Steven Fletcher ( Wolves) - 34 appearances 12 goals

It's a bit of a joke, but there you go I've pulled out the top scorer from the teams that finished below Newcasle and us. Torres made 49 appearances which is the most out of any of these players and outscored Klasnic, Bent, Franco Di Santo and Bendtner.

We need a striker at a completely different level than Torres, in the mean time Sturridge should be given at least 2 matches in a row up front - see how he does.

[Tricky 301]

Stop comparing Torres situation with Drogbas situation when he first came here. It was 2 different senarios. Ive already written about this so im just going to copy and paste this:

I compared them last year and you said it wasn't a fair comparison due to age. So I've rewound a few years and compared Drogba first 18 months (in a better team) and now that's unfair as well. How about 07-09 when he managed only 13 leave goals in two seasons? Remember a lot of people wanting rid off him at that point. Or his last two seasons when he scored only 16 league goals in 60 league games?

Drogba was a great striker. What really made him great was that he stepped up in big games and changed it for us. I won't deny that.... but I won't pretend there were not periods when he was pants.

Torres has had a pants period, sure he is partly responsible for that, but so is the team (see Drogba stats over same period). Unlike some I'm not writing him off just yet. I'll give him till Xmas, if he / team is struggling then I'll accept that we might need an alternative. But until then I'm giving him my 100% support.