🇪🇸 Fernando Torres

[Blue Armour 4,439]

Even if Sturridge is (and always has been) my preferred CF for us this season, I think the critcism aimed at Torres for his performances this season so far, is a bit OTT. I take it most of you are disappointed with apparent lack of productivity against Juventus. But the fact is he was up against 3 CB's that are part of one of the best defensive lineups out there. Any world class striker would struggle. Plus its not as if he was totally uninvolved. He did try his best to help with the attacking play (even though its obviously not his strength)

[bloody 209]

this thread actually reminds of me drogba's first couple of seasons with us.

drogba had the first touch of a donkey back then, he's not worth they money we paid for him, etc. etc. or so some fans claimed.

[blue_swaggin_96 96]

im sorry, fellas, but we are out of excuse for torres, he doesnt dedicate himself to ball thas going in the box, does it have to be a perfect torres pass? i have no clue, his out of it.

if i was the bored, i would put on the transfer market in january get a good 30 or 40 million for him call it a day, we can get that polish lad cavani.

[Spike 12,049]

some people here are unbelievable! the man doesn't score in 3 games and suddenly its Bash nando time.

where is all this vehement hate coming from?

You seem to forget the other 50 or so games he hasn't scored in.

[Tricky 301]

some people here are unbelievable! the man doesn't score in 3 games and suddenly its Bash nando time.

im not going to comment on Atletico game for i didn't see it, but the QPR and Juve games were all but his fault.

vs QPR it was 2(torres and Hazard) vs 6 defenders the whole game! Before the game starts we're bashing RDM for is selection of the defensive team yet still yell and criticize Torres for not being god and producing a goal. Everyone here goes off when rambo is placed on rw, and bertrand was lw so who was supposed to attack?

vs Juventus i saw a man running for balls even if they were dead and constantly trying to keep the backline guessing as to when he was gona break. so he didnt score.....does that mean we have to bash him, and insult him? We scored 2 goals if anyone is to blame its the fuking defense for sitting back wayy to deep (first goal) and mikel and JT for the second goal. Last time i checked scoring 2 goals especially at home should count as 3 pts and i dont see how Torres is held responsible for the draw.

where is all this vehement hate coming from?

I also feel Torres is to blame for the current economic situation, particularly in Spain (hell he is Spanish), and what the fuck has he done for world peace recently? ?

Seriously I'm with you. Against Athleico we were poor, he wasn't great, but neither was anyone else. At QPR he was bad, couldn't seem to keep possession, but then our midfield was t-bagged for 90 mins. Against Juventus I felt he played quite well. People criticise him for drifting our wide (trying to find space) but then also criticise him for not making runs (ie into the space which was out wide. He can't win.

What I did far more worrying is our right hand side and the double pivot. Should be thinking about playing a 4-3-3, or at least starting Moses on the right so that we can stretch the game and provide natural width. If we did this our Striker might actually have some room to work in. At the present he has Hazard, Ramirez, Mata and Lampard all attempting to occupy the same space, the hole just behind him.

Ps - our worst performer this year is either Iva or Ramirez, yet to see any dedicated hate threads to them.

[Tricky 301]

this thread actually reminds of me drogba's first couple of seasons with us.

drogba had the first touch of a donkey back then, or so some fans claimed.

This... Drogba was pants for 18 months, despite being in a team which dicked over everyone domestically. People fail to realise we were piss poor last season, it's no wonder all our strikers struggled for goals.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Ps - out wireless performer this year is either Iva or Ramirez, yet to see any dedicated hate threads to them.

Ramires has probably been our worst player so far this season but we all know he's playing out of position and being asked to do things hes just not capable of. I'm not sure there is a good role for him on this particular team, but he's an excellent player if given the proper role. Ivanovic has been poor so far, but has been great for us for years. I don't care if someone has a bad performance or even a bad stretch of games, it happens to everyone. Mata was our best player last season but finished poorly and started this season not that hot either but it's fine. People have stretches where they are just not at the top of their game, especially if the system requires them to change their game somewhat. and if the criticism of Torres was based solely on this season, I'd be with you, but Torres has been awful for a year and a half. It hasn't been a bad performance here or there, it's that about 90% of games, he's been basically useless.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

He earns 170,000, which is still ridiculas.

Also he deos make runs, all the time, he's never picked up which i highlighted earlier in what i thought were the problems in midfield.

Dont get me wrong, i am a serious torres supporter, i was the happiest chelsea supporter when we bought him. But i noticed the difference in style of play compared to liverpool. I dont think its because he was more passionate for liverpool but i think its his confidence. He scored A LOT OF LONG RANGE GOALS for liverpool and at chelsea he is afraid to take a shot.

C ronaldo is a more dangerous player because he can shoot from any where and that alone pulls defenders tightly to him to create space for team mates. Torres should watch his liverpool tapes, i know he has lost a little speed but its his confidence dat disturbs him the most.

He could shout to his teamates to pass the ball where he wants but in chelsea, he moves without having eye contact with the passer or raising his hand and it becomes wasted because nobody can read his mind.

Thats why i sugested he should shout or demand of the ball more. Any time he passes the ball, he should never stand straight but make the run foward just like mata did with hazard. And he should shoot a lot more from outside the box.

Do you remember the last goal he scored against us before he came to chelsea?<p>Because of his confidence now, he will definately not take%2

[susu 41]

some people here are unbelievable! the man doesn't score in 3 games and suddenly its Bash nando time.

im not going to comment on Atletico game for i didn't see it, but the QPR and Juve games were all but his fault.

vs QPR it was 2(torres and Hazard) vs 6 defenders the whole game! Before the game starts we're bashing RDM for is selection of the defensive team yet still yell and criticize Torres for not being god and producing a goal. Everyone here goes off when rambo is placed on rw, and bertrand was lw so who was supposed to attack?

vs Juventus i saw a man running for balls even if they were dead and constantly trying to keep the backline guessing as to when he was gona break. so he didnt score.....does that mean we have to bash him, and insult him? We scored 2 goals if anyone is to blame its the fuking defense for sitting back wayy to deep (first goal) and mikel and JT for the second goal. Last time i checked scoring 2 goals especially at home should count as 3 pts and i dont see how Torres is held responsible for the draw.

where is all this vehement hate coming from?

Because it´s popular ... to get attention you just need to speak good or bad about torres. Sad but true. The media does it the same way, it works!

[didierforever 7,349]

some people here keep remarking that he scores when he gets "service". is a striker's role only to score when he gets "service". what are we supposed to do? the guy has no work rate and only does bare minimum and people say he is making the appropriate runs (bullshit). and when he gets the ball, every bloody person in the world knows whats gonna happen. i even feel some of even our players stop attacking to get into their defensive duties because even they know the bloody result of giving torres the ball.

the worst part is yet to come. HE IS NO THREAT. while watchin a match with many of my buddies (manu,barca and pool fans), they simply started laughin when torres gets the ball in a normally dangerous situation, knowin that until this guy is involved nothin is gonna happen.

i would very much danny instead of the zombie in blue dress.

[Cosmin 2,484]

some people here are unbelievable! the man doesn't score in 3 games and suddenly its Bash nando time.

im not going to comment on Atletico game for i didn't see it, but the QPR and Juve games were all but his fault.

vs QPR it was 2(torres and Hazard) vs 6 defenders the whole game! Before the game starts we're bashing RDM for is selection of the defensive team yet still yell and criticize Torres for not being god and producing a goal. Everyone here goes off when rambo is placed on rw, and bertrand was lw so who was supposed to attack?

vs Juventus i saw a man running for balls even if they were dead and constantly trying to keep the backline guessing as to when he was gona break. so he didnt score.....does that mean we have to bash him, and insult him? We scored 2 goals if anyone is to blame its the fuking defense for sitting back wayy to deep (first goal) and mikel and JT for the second goal. Last time i checked scoring 2 goals especially at home should count as 3 pts and i dont see how Torres is held responsible for the draw.

where is all this vehement hate coming from?

You are the one who made this only about 3 games. We're talking about 2 years here, man.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

some people here keep remarking that he scores when he gets "service". is a striker's role only to score when he gets "service". what are we supposed to do? the guy has no work rate and only does bare minimum and people say he is making the appropriate runs (bullshit). and when he gets the ball, every bloody person in the world knows whats gonna happen. i even feel some of even our players stop attacking to get into their defensive duties because even they know the bloody result of giving torres the ball.

the worst part is yet to come. HE IS NO THREAT. while watchin a match with many of my buddies (manu,barca and pool fans), they simply started laughin when torres gets the ball in a normally dangerous situation, knowin that until this guy is involved nothin is gonna happen.

i would very much danny instead of the zombie in blue dress.

@ BOLD Exactly, when drogba gets the ball, he brings it down, bullies the defender with his strength and fires a ferocious shot or passes to the incoming malouda in the wing.

But torres, you just know he is going to fall and lose possesion because he is only looking to dribble instead of linking up with his teammates or creating space and shooting QUICKLY LIKE OSCAR OR LIKE THE LAST GOAL HE SCORED FOR LIVERPOOL AGAINST CHELSEA.

God help him the day sturridge gets his chance and plays a lot better, even the chelsea teammates will lose patience with him.

He needs to link up with passes instead of dribbling and losing possesion, he is no messi.

[Cosmin 2,484]

Seriously I'm with you. Against Athleico we were poor, he wasn't great, but neither was anyone else

Ps - our worst performer this year is either Iva or Ramirez, yet to see any dedicated hate threads to them.

The difference between Torres, Ivanovic and Ramires is that the last two actually proved that they are important for Chelsea. People are patient with the players who deserve patience. I've personally been patient with Torres for almost two years, but I'm done. I know that Ramires and Ivanovic are great players and I hope they will be back at their best soon, but I can't say the same thing about Fernando. Not anymore. Enough it's enough.

P.S: Tell me one single game since Torres is here when everyone was poor, but Fernando was great.

P.P.S: I forgot to mention that Ivanovic and Ramires are forced to play as RB and RM. Ivanovic is clearly a CB, and Ramires is a CM.

[didierforever 7,349]

@ BOLD Exactly, when drogba gets the ball, he brings it down, bullies the defender with his strength and fires a ferocious shot or passes to the incoming malouda in the wing.

But torres, you just know he is going to fall and lose possesion because he is only looking to dribble instead of linking up with his teammates or creating space and shooting QUICKLY LIKE OSCAR OR LIKE THE LAST GOAL HE SCORED FOR LIVERPOOL AGAINST CHELSEA.

God help him the day sturridge gets his chance and plays a lot better, even the chelsea teammates will lose patience with him.

He needs to link up with passes instead of dribbling and losing possesion, he is no messi.

well said. he keeps making the same mistake and i wont for a second believe that rdm has not had a talk with torres about this. but he simply does not change. just have that feeling that even our board's patience with him might come to an abrupt end if we dont perform well till jan. i can see us selling him and putting up an extravagant bid for falcao/cavani.

[didierforever 7,349]

The difference between Torres, Ivanovic and Ramires is that the last two actually proved that they are important for Chelsea. People are patient with the players who deserve patience. I've personally been patient with Torres for almost two years, but I'm done. I know that Ramires and Ivanovic are great players and I hope they will be back at their best soon, but I can't say the same thing about Fernando. Not anymore. Enough it's enough.

P.S: Tell me one single game since Torres is here when everyone was poor, but Fernando was great.

P.P.S: I forgot to mention that Ivanovic and Ramires are forced to play as RB and RM. Ivanovic is clearly a CB, and Ramires is a CM.

nope. the difference is that iva n rambo have shown that they want to BE important for chelsea. generally their fight,workrate , passion n zeal is more than commendable and it is through these things that they have won our hearts n all the time n patience. where as torres is concerned he has shown absolutely nothing of the kind.

[kristoffertorgersen 2]

I think that Fernando´s problem is that he is not playing as a real striker, he is down in the middle every game to get the ball! He should stay up front and have patience.

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

Excuses can no longer be made for him. He has some phenomenal talent behind him and he still can't make enough decent space for himself. It's all fair and good saying he works hard for the team but he doesn't work that hard, just in short bursts periodically. We don't need a grafter up front we need a goal machine, a JFlo, an Eidur, a greevsie, A DROGBA! I'd personally play studge much more now and try and work some deal with atleti in January to swap torres and falcao. I'll still get behind torres whilst he's chels tho.

[zolayes 14,489]

I think that Fernando´s problem is that he is not playing as a real striker, he is down in the middle every game to get the ball! He should stay up front and have patience.

he still lacks confidence and has done since he joined us . the miss in the first few minutes of that first game against Liverpool destroyed him.

I doubt if he will ever get his full confidence back.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

well said. he keeps making the same mistake and i wont for a second believe that rdm has not had a talk with torres about this. but he simply does not change. just have that feeling that even our board's patience with him might come to an abrupt end if we dont perform well till jan. i can see us selling him and putting up an extravagant bid for falcao/cavani.

I hope the dimatteo has noticed this and had a talk with him because its so obvious and he just needs to stop.

[GodZola 630]

It's no wonder members like myself hardly come on here now, just reading this thread is enough to make you feel suicidal!

There is no doubt that Torres needs a boot up the arse and the likes of Jose or a Fergy would do that although i am unsure Di Matteo will do it and that is a small part of the problem, i also stated last season that i feel he has lost a yard of pace which is a massive loss to any leading striker. Nonetheless the patience and lack of understanding of some of our fans now is shocking, Roman has given RDM the tools to bring out the best in Torres - everything has been put in place to get him scoring again, unfortunately the set up behind him isn't working, team selection needs some surgery because my issue with all this is - i would be worried more if his team mates were actually creating chances for him and he was missing them regularly - I would be critical then too, like the majority on here but please give Torres and RDM time to get it right!

I am not going to go into details about where i believe things could be improved but i will sum it up by stating that we need to attack in numbers which is not happening with this system, it's designed to be more offensive but looks more defensive to me especially with team selection which has a detrimental effect on Torres.

We were patient with Drogba, and i would urge fans to give Torres til January at least - if RDM selects the right players/formation and takes the shackles off a little we will start creating those chances for Torres, then and only then be critical not after half a dozen games in a new system that is in it's infancy.