🇪🇸 Fernando Torres

[francozola 2,040]

I just want to get something off my chest:

In my opinion, all this talk about "Torres won the CL and FA cup including the Euros" especially when using it to compare him to other players is totally ridiculous.

Firstly, it's not as if he won it all by himself.

Secondly, I think overall despite the trophy wins, the season was still a little embarrassing for Torres personally. Yes he did play a part in our wins (I'm not taking it away from him, don't get me wrong) but at the same time, he did not start a single one of our "big games".

Our crucial games this season in the run up to those 2 trophies were Valencia, Napoli x2, barca x2, spurs, Liverpool and Bayern. He didn't start a single one. He didn't even come on as a substitute in some of them, including the FA Cup final. He wasn't trusted by Spain to start either. He only started two (?) games.

In Munich, Bertrand and Kalou were chosen over him because of their added defensive values. Salomon Freaking Kalou. Kalou was kept on because of his extra penalty value. Only when Bayern scored did Robbie bring Torres on.

So this talk, especially regarding Cavani is really ludicrous imo

Look, I don't want to seem like a Torres hater, I'm really not. But I'm totally not deluded by his form despite winning three trophies and the euro golden boot. In my eyes, he had an above average season. Just slightly above average and most of his value came from his assists throughout the season. I still don't trust him 100% to become a regular goal scorer for us but I just hope that he looks at last season as a positive and thinks about the fact that he will be playing with Hazard, Marin and Oscar (hopefully) this season instead of Kalou and Malouda. Thankfully his confidence definitely looked to be rising as compared to that Heskeyish player we saw in 2010-2011.

[bababoom 4,478]

I don't think anyone's deluded, many people including myself are just tired of moaning about him, i'd rather wish for the best instead of bringing up his many faults.

That's why i'm optimistic about his future with CFC.

[Justin_3d 1,140]

I bet Torres can't wait to be up front with Ramires, Sturridge, Marin, Hazard, Mata and potentially Moses and Oscar to supply him with ammunition. I'd be itching to play.

Will not matter if he can't put it in.....

[Justin_3d 1,140]

I don't think anyone's deluded, many people including myself are just tired of moaning about him, i'd rather wish for the best instead of bringing up his many faults.

That's why i'm optimistic about his future with CFC.

I am sure Liverpool fans think like that as well.....See we ain't much different then they are now aren't we?

[bababoom 4,478]

I am sure Liverpool fans think like that as well.....See we ain't much different then they are now aren't we?

Haha do i have to answer?

[Sheva. 5,373]

Firstly, it's not as if he won it all by himself.

Of course not, but he at least played a part in all of them. Unlike the 2010 WC where he did nothing of note and got a medal.

Anyway he ended the season in much better form than we've seen from him in a Chelsea shirt - sure most of the goals were against not so good opposition (Inb4TorontoChelsea ), but he wasn't even scoring against those in his first 6-7 months as a Chelsea player.

Then he went on to score 4 goals in 7 games for Spain. So i'm quietly confident in him doing better next season, especially with the new players we've gotten/are getting.

(Still think we need another striker though)

[francozola 2,040]

I don't think anyone's deluded, many people including myself are just tired of moaning about him, i'd rather wish for the best instead of bringing up his many faults.

That's why i'm optimistic about his future with CFC.

That's fine but I see a lot of posts implying that the Torres of old is back. Not saying that he definitely wont reach that level again but there's been very little evidence to suggest that. His improved confidence is a good sign but goal scoring wise he's shown nothing extraordinary, especially in any consistent period.

[francozola 2,040]

Of course not, but he at least played a part in all of them. Unlike the 2010 WC where he did nothing of note and got a medal.

Anyway he ended the season in much better form than we've seen from him in a Chelsea shirt - sure most of the goals were against not so good opposition (Inb4TorontoChelsea ), but he wasn't even scoring against those in his first 6-7 months as a Chelsea player.

Then he went on to score 4 goals in 7 games for Spain. So i'm quietly confident in him doing better next season, especially with the new players we've gotten/are getting.

(Still think we need another striker though)

Mostly agree with you!

I do think though that if we sign a high profile striker it'll be the end of Torres at Chelsea. Doubt he'll be willing to play under those circumstances. It would be better for all parties to just move on and cut our losses. He has decent market value right now.

However I'm not sure if I'd be willing to settle for anyone other than Cavani, he's a beast!

[jmarlow 458]

Our crucial games this season in the run up to those 2 trophies were Valencia, Napoli x2, barca x2, spurs, Liverpool and Bayern. He didn't start a single one. He didn't even come on as a substitute in some of them, including the FA Cup final. He wasn't trusted by Spain to start either. He only started two (?) games.

Thats because we had the ultimate big game player in Drogba! had we had RVP, Aguero, Gomez, Ibrahimovic, Rooney, Benzema ect in the team and had to pick one to start as the main striker Drogba would get picked ahead of any of them every time because of what he does in the big games! and as for Spain because they love to over-pass the ball instead of playing early balls through to the striker, when teams park the us against them there is just no space for the striker because Spain take to long with their passing, so its better for them in certain games to play without a striker. So thats really a cheap argument to use against Torres.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Thats because we had the ultimate big game player in Drogba! had we had RVP, Aguero, Gomez, Ibrahimovic, Rooney, Benzema ect in the team and had to pick one to start as the main striker Drogba would get picked ahead of any of them every time because of what he does in the big games! and as for Spain because they love to over-pass the ball instead of playing early balls through to the striker, when teams park the us against them there is just no space for the striker because Spain take to long with their passing, so its better for them in certain games to play without a striker. So thats really a cheap argument to use against Torres.

It is less about why he did not start those games and more about why using the argument that Torres won those trophies to try to prove that he is back to his old self is invalid. By that logic, Kalou is very close to Torres's best as well

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

Thats because we had the ultimate big game player in Drogba! had we had RVP, Aguero, Gomez, Ibrahimovic, Rooney, Benzema ect in the team and had to pick one to start as the main striker Drogba would get picked ahead of any of them every time because of what he does in the big games! and as for Spain because they love to over-pass the ball instead of playing early balls through to the striker, when teams park the us against them there is just no space for the striker because Spain take to long with their passing, so its better for them in certain games to play without a striker. So thats really a cheap argument to use against Torres.

[maenbolaboling 27]

It is less about why he did not start those games and more about why using the argument that Torres won those trophies to try to prove that he is back to his old self. By that logic, Kalou is very close to Torres's best as well

i disagree, torres is not like kalou

kalou is a winger and the jobs is to give chances to the striker

not to selfish and score by them self

[CHOULO19 24,332]

i disagree, torres is not like kalou

kalou is a winger and the jobs is to give chances to the striker

not to selfish and score by them self

Completely besides the point. The idea I was trying to convey is that, in football, you can't assess a player's level based solely on the silverware he wins.

[maenbolaboling 27]

Completely besides the point. The idea I was trying to convey is that, in football, you can't assess a player's level based solely on the silverware he wins.

true story

it depends on his performance, ability and determination

[Ollie 4,400]

One thing for certain is that he still has a lot to prove. Next season could be the biggest season of his whole career because if he can't get 20 goals with those players with him, he'll never score prolificly again. Another thing for certain is that he did look better towards the back end of the season and in the Euro's, despite not having many chances, he scored goals and got himself into positions to score. If he was an unknown player, having the 18 months as he had, i would be calling for his head, i'd want him gone but with Torres, we all know what he can do, we know what he's capable of doing with a football, running at defenders and we know that there are goals in him, left foot, right foot, head, he's got great technique. We all know him and we all know what he can do. I will back him until his Chelsea career is over because i really want him to succeed here.

He should be feeling good now, he now needs to really forget about the previous 2 campaigns and let his Chelsea career take off now. I'm desperate for him to do well here and i'm sure (ish), next season will be his season.

[francozola 2,040]

Thats because we had the ultimate big game player in Drogba! had we had RVP, Aguero, Gomez, Ibrahimovic, Rooney, Benzema ect in the team and had to pick one to start as the main striker Drogba would get picked ahead of any of them every time because of what he does in the big games! and as for Spain because they love to over-pass the ball instead of playing early balls through to the striker, when teams park the us against them there is just no space for the striker because Spain take to long with their passing, so its better for them in certain games to play without a striker. So thats really a cheap argument to use against Torres.

Choulo already mentioned the main point I was trying to make, and also like I said, Kalou and Bertrand were trusted more than Torres to play in the "defensive winger" role. Torres always played as a winger cum striker when he came on as a sub and if Drogba was still on and we were looking for a goal. And that's indeed what happened in the 82nd minute. So he could have started in that position itself but Di Matteo believed that his added attacking benefit compared to playing Kalou/Bertrand would be far outweighed by the latters' defensive contribution.

So I get what you're trying to say regarding the formation that we played in Munich and the style of football that Spain use but especially regarding us, he simply did not provide enough to justify his inclusion in starting line-ups in big games. That's what I meant.

[Kieran. 6,317]

I'm not that worried about Torres. He's shown what he can do with great service and he'll get it next year. Honestly, I think he'll score 20+ in the league, barring injury.

[Peace. 4,352]


I blame Torres for that!





It is incredible, isn't it ? He is the only player in this team for who we search automatically some extravagant reasons in order to excuse him for his aweful performances. Every one of our players have been fairly (and even overly) criticized when they had bad performances, even our "legends" didn't escape to this treatment. Jésus, it's like he is faultless...




• At first, it was because of the selfish-greedy-moronic-ugly-criminal Malouda : he hates Torres, has an agenda against him and doesn't make any pass to him so he can't disturb the Old Guard.


• Then, when this excuse was getting out of fashion, it was because of our uncreative midfield - and strangely enough, it didn't prevent our other players to score.


• After this, we were saying it was because of the system we were playing with. While it could have been a legitimate excuse, it wasn't the reason why he had an extremly poor touch on the ball, looked so febrile and made some out-of-this-world fails like he did against ManUtd.


• And we also said it was because he didn't have a proper rest for the four last years or so. Even though, it didn't stop Xaxi and Iniesta (to name few) to be at the pinnacle of their art.


• His bad form (according to his fans) was, also, seemingly due to the amount of money we paid for him and the media bashing towards him. To hear some, he didn't choose to be the english record transfer. Seriously, is he dumb or what ?! It was obvious he would cost a lot of money, and it was obvious he was going to have a huge pressure on him to success because of it. And it was even more obvious that the world was going to wait for him to slip up, after leaving a club like Liverpool ! Roman Abramovitch didn't hire mobsters in order to force him to sign for Chelsea ! He must have been well aware of the pressure he would have on his back - and if he wasn't aware of it, one can challenge his common sense.


• Finally, the last fashion to find him excuses was, and still is, to bad-mouth on Sturridge. Yeah you know, this "selfish cunt" who is the cause of all Torres' ills.



• And I kept my favourite excuse for the end : it was because of Drogba. LOL ! Is he a pre-pubescent girl who dreams about marrying some prince charming and living in beautiful castles ? Seriously, can't perform because of Drogba's presence... Oh well, I am being harsh there, because actually, I can understand where he comes from. To tell the truth, I would be also shitting myself knowing I cannot play because there's an head-and-shoulders better player ahead of me. The bottom line is : if he is afraid of facing competition, then he shouldn't be at a top club like Chelsea.



Excuses, excuses and more excuses. This has lasted long enough. What's next ? He doesn't perform because we didn't make a human sacrifice to Zeus ? Despite having done A LOT more than him for this club, Florent Malouda, Salomon Kalou, José Bosingwa and Nicolas Anelka didn't have the chance Torres has, and were (and still are) getting abuse from all Chelsea fans. Why nobody has tried to search excuse for them ? Why nobody is trying to analyse why Sturridge had a dip in form at the end of the season, instead of slating him and abuse him for something he isn't culprit of (i.e. laydboy's bad form) ? We should stop to try and concoct him all kinds of exotic excuses in a desperate attempt to make him look good.

[zolayes 14,489]

make Peace not War .... take a chill pill . Torres got plenty of criticism ,,,,but people are trying to KTF

[Amblève. 4,995]

Despite having done A LOT more than him for this club, Florent Malouda, Salomon Kalou, José Bosingwa and Nicolas Anelka didn't have the chance Torres has, and were (and still are) getting abuse from all Chelsea fans. Why nobody has tried to search excuse for them ?

This double standard really makes me sad. It's as if everything mediocre Torres does, people try to make it look out of this world. And then, for example, when Sala or Bos had a good game, many people were still blaming them for every small mistake they did.