The Benitez Thread

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

Project Chelsea

19 minutes ago

Apparently, David Moyes is favourite to be appointed as a new Chelsea manager. Magnificent manager, made miracles at Everton turning them into proper team. To achieve success at Stamford Bridge he must be given time. Not a kind of a manager who can improve deteriorating team in just few seconds after one training session. Perfect one for transition time - think twice what you want Roman.

[bushman 2,043]

Certainly, Moyes might be considered here.

However, the question:

will he want to coach Chelsea ?

[Slam Dunk 1,442]

Have to say, Moyes doesn't strike me as a very "Roman" managerial appointment. Would be surprised if it happened.

[Muzchap 8,966]

If I was Moyes - I'd say 'No'... I think he likes the Man U hotseat personally, he's a good manager, gives a team a work ethic - but not necessarily an 'attractive' style of football.

Has delivered consistently on a small budget - always worries me, if people get an open chequebook, do they all turn into Mark Hughes - signing anything that moves... on ridiculous wages...

Moyes also brings through some youth... so a good manager, but like others have said - wouldn't have thought he was a Roman'esqu appointment - but you know what, that could be good!

[We Hate Scouse 10,287]

I'd love Moyes, I rate him so highly, I think he's smart enough to reject us though. We'd ruin him.

[GodZola 630]

Regarding Rafa's subs, when was the last time we had a manager good at that? RDM and AVB weren't much cop at it, Carlo was horrendous when it came to trying to change a game from the bench but never got half the stick Rafa got. Regarding his worst start as a manager for Roman. Who else had Terry out for all bar 20 minutes of their first 16 games? Apart from AVB and RDM, every manager under Roman has had a better and more balanced team to work with. Its no coincidence AVB and Rafa are bottom of this particular table. If he had this start with one of our 04-09 squad's fair enough, but you can't compare his start to manager's who took over this team at their peak.

Terry should not be taken into consideration as we have not exactly been leaking goals, it is our home form that has been abysmal that is pertinent to Rafa's reign - his team selection & tactical substitutions against sides that park the bus have led to his own downfall & playing Torres ahead of Ba says it all! No one to blame but himself I'm afraid.

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

Moyes wouldn't choose us in a million years and I'm glad because I don't really want him. Mourinho! We're meant to be. Return home.

[The only place to be 11,313]

The problem I have with Moyes is that I'm not sure what I'd end up watching on the pitch. The guy has always worked with his back against the wall, surviving rather than thriving. Look at Fellaini for example. Bought as a DM, started his Everton career there but moved forward because it's what's best for Everton in the short-term. That's not the type of problem he'd face at Chelsea.

There's a massive difference between the job you're required to do when you're living off scraps and feeding the masses to the job you need to do when you're working with the finest ingredients. I'm not saying he couldn't do it, but that I don't know if he could do it.

If we're honestly looking at the Premier League for a guy from (let's be honest) the level below then surely Martinez should be in the discussion too. Works wonders at a club who have no business being in the Premier League and still manages to get them play bright, inventive, attacking football. I also think he's responsible for a lot of the good stuff at Swansea that Rodgers and now Laudrup benefitted from.

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

We can't be hiring Moyes, Martinez and what not. We need a strong character, someone who demands respect. None these timid managers, no matter how talented they are. Managing a big club with big players and big expectations are completely different to what they have experienced in their careers. We need someone who is already used to that. AVB was a clear example of a talented coach with no experience at a big club like Chelsea and look how he failed. I still like AVB but we should have got him after a few years at Spurs rather than the other way around.

Mourinho would be nice, but this last year he's had at Real is really worrying me. He's hurt his rep alot imo. I wish Ballack was an experienced coach already, I would love a guy like that. Just exudes confidence and respect.

[The only place to be 11,313]

We can't be hiring Moyes, Martinez and what not.

They have to be in the discussion. You dismissed them and offered up a fictional character instead. Unfortunately whilst we may not be constrained by financial binds, we do have to limit ourselves to characters who exist in the real world.

If we're going to invent people, I'd like Frank Lampard aged 42 coming off back-to-back-to-back doubles with Real Madrid please. And he's got a cracking set of knockers too.

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

They have to be in the discussion. You dismissed them and offered up a fictional character instead. Unfortunately whilst we may not be constrained by financial binds, we do have to limit ourselves to characters who exist in the real world.

If we're going to invent people, I'd like Frank Lampard aged 42 coming off back-to-back-to-back doubles with Real Madrid please. And he's got a cracking set of knockers too.

Yeah that's the problem, there just aren't many options out there right now. It's much easier to dismiss options than think of one. I'd say bring Hiddink back if you want a half ass realistic one, other than that I can't think of any.

[Tomo 21,733]

Moyes is the master of making a team with unlimited funds and not huge expectation's punch above their weight. Sam Allardyce did the same at Bolton to just as good effect as Moyes, if not better, does that mean if Big Sam remained at Bolton to this day his name will be in the frame?

[DH1988 1,317]

Definitely would love Moyes here providing he had time and was in charge of transfers etc.

Worked wonders and he has the fergie factor.

[Shogun 721]

The only argument against Moyes being a top manager is for a club like Everton he should have won a trophy, yet most people don't realise just how shit we were when he took over and the following proves that. He took over at the near on end of the 2001-02 season and here are the finishes we had not long before that.

96/97 - 15th

97/98 - 17th

98/99 - 14th

99/00 - 13th

00/01 - 16th

01/02 - 15th

Considering in his first season, first XI was:

------------------------------Richard Wright-----------------------------

Tony Hibbert------David Weir---------Alan Stubbs----David Unsworth

Thomas Gravesen----Li Tie----------Lee Carsley-----Gary Naismith---

---------------Thomasz Radzinski-------Kevin Campbell----------------

That team was somehow guided to 7th place in Moyes' first proper season, you look at that team and let's be honest it is a relegation team which was reflected the next season when we finished 17th in 03-04

Then we finished 4th in the 04-05 season when we were one of the favourites for relegation and had sold Rooney to Manchester United. Now, lets be honest here that's an absolutely amazing thing to do after finishing 17th and selling your best player for £27m and only spending £8m to cover it in transfers. I don't think many managers could have done that.

After crashing out of the champions league qualifiers to a very tough draw against Villareal we finished 11th the following year.

After that we had succession of top six finishes for 4 years before finishing 8th, 7th and 7th which brings us up to now.

Consider that when David Moyes took over, we'd only finished in the top ten once since the premier league began. In 10 years on a shoe string budget (5.6m net spend since he arrived) he has 8 top 8 finishes under his belt.

David Moyes has transformed Everton into an competitive side in my opinion. Sometimes in cups you need luck, had we beat Fiorentina on penalties in 07 we'd have faced PSV in the quarter finals of the Uefa Cup in the 07-08 season and who knows what could have happened from there considering we had already beat the eventual winners. We could have won the FA Cup in 09 but just came short.

You look at the team I posted at the top and if I told you at the time that Everton would be competing for Europe regularly in ten years time with a net spend of around £5m in the next ten years then I'm pretty sure all of us would be amazed.

I think all that is worth a lot more than a few cup wins. What do you think Birmingham City would have preferred, the league cup or the above?

However, I really can't see Moyes going to Chelsea, one thing he often eludes to is that he has a perfect relationship with Bill Kenwright, our chairman. I don't think he believes that Roman could offer the same thing.

[Rupert 130]

Whether you like it or not, Rafa has been given an 18 month contract subject to review - his review and the club's review after 6-7 months. You will be lucky if Rafa agrees to the extension. Some of the posts on here are illogical. People touting managers who Rafa has defeated with style since he was at Chelsea (and before) - managers who have never won anything let alone the long list of trophies Rafa has won.

Rafa is too good for some of you. And despite all your specualtiosn noen of you knew that Rafa would be offered the post last December.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Whether you like it or not, Rafa has been given an 18 month contract subject to review - his review and the club's review after 6-7 months. You will be lucky if Rafa agrees to the extension. Some of the posts on here are illogical. People touting managers who Rafa has defeated with style since he was at Chelsea (and before) - managers who have never won anything let alone the long list of trophies Rafa has won.

Rafa is too good for some of you. And despite all your specualtiosn noen of you knew that Rafa would be offered the post last December.

Are you one of Rafa's loved ones? Are you his brother? Are you his wife? Do you own his local Dominos?

[communicate 2,703]

Whether you like it or not, Rafa has been given an 18 month contract subject to review - his review and the club's review after 6-7 months. You will be lucky if Rafa agrees to the extension. Some of the posts on here are illogical. People touting managers who Rafa has defeated with style since he was at Chelsea (and before) - managers who have never won anything let alone the long list of trophies Rafa has won.

Rafa is too good for some of you. And despite all your specualtiosn noen of you knew that Rafa would be offered the post last December.

If you really want to convince chelsea fans about rafa, you realky need to show what he has done to chelsea

. Get some chart or video.

The more you do this the dmore we hate rafa or that is your intention from the beginning )

[Hutcho 8,443]

Wouldn't mind moyes tbh. He is a good manager. Probably wouldn't be there for very long, but it would be nice to concentrate on football without the manager being the main focus of everything. Yes, that is partly caused by the majority of us don't particularly like rafa, but it would be great to just have a manager doing his job that wasn't disliked by the fans and that we could all unite behind... Mourinho would be great as he really brings everyone together and really knows what he is doing and is just the best, but it seems unlikely and it would be great when we don't have the rafa and torres stigma hanging over our club.