RDM Sacked. Who's next?

[Sheva. 5,373]

1) That RDM is going to use tactics that you want and the players you want. No manager will ever do that. They also know things we do not.

2) The RDM will drop a player after one bad game or one bad match or even a couple of bad plays. The truth is, every single player has poor periods and some need to play out of them.

We're top of the league and people are freaking out. Honestly, stuff like this puts me off of this board.

1. It's not about using tactics or players people want, it's about just making better decisions. Why in fucks name will anyone start a game with Bertrand AND Ramires against QPR? normally we struggle enough with Ramires rarely producing on the right, but when you now add Bertrand then it's obvious we will have problems attacking wise.

2. Only player people want to drop after 1 game is Torres, everyone else is after multiple bad games.

[zolayes 14,489]

I agree with Zolayes, you are hardly the problem. It's the people on the match day thread who do the "take so and so off" after 10 minutes because he made two bad passes. It's the "so and so is crap" because they had a bad game. It's the "fire the coach" when you're on top of the table.

Look, I have said many times before that my main worry with RDM is that he seems too conservative which means that he's slow to make changes both between matches and in-game. There is a lot of room for legitimate and reasoned criticism and analysis which you do quite well. (I very much like your game analyses) Nobody is saying that you have to love everything RDM does or think that every player is great, I just would love to see reasoned discussion take the place of insane over-reaction. Right now, the latter dominates.

I have stopped coming until after the game ....at one time the match threads were fine exciting and positive not so now,,, best to wait at least an hour after a win or draw ...

and to the next day after a defeat KTF

[SeB 1,281]

I wasn't suggesting you were. But we do have many that just howl without giving reasons . Your posts are always worth reading

Thanks, I just used your post to say that I had precise explanations for why I answered "no" and that it's not just a post-match reaction (considering I didn't even watch the game yet)

[Kieran. 6,317]

He probably isn't, I had major concerns before he was appointed and he hasn't convinced me yet, sadly.

I still think we can win the league under him though.

[Dylan_91 90]

I dont think its too early. Hes been manager for almost a year. We were poor in the league under rdm last season. We won the champions league by playing 11 men behind the ball and luckily scoring a few goals on the break. Any idiot can play those tactics. Hes not a genius like the media made him out to be we just had a lot of luck. So far this season we have played some of the worst football i have ever seen from a top team due to his negative tactics. A lot of people didnt want us to hire him permanently (me included) because we could see this shitty style of play coming. At least avb did things his own way and dropped players when they needed to be dropped.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

1. It's not about using tactics or players people want, it's about just making better decisions. Why in fucks name will anyone start a game with Bertrand AND Ramires against QPR? normally we struggle enough with Ramires rarely producing on the right, but when you now add Bertrand then it's obvious we will have problems attacking wise.

2. Only player people want to drop after 1 game is Torres, everyone else is after multiple bad games.

1) It's not the formation I would have chosen, but no manager ever picks the exact starting XI I want. I don't care if you disagree with it, I do too, it's the overreaction, the "RDM is an idiot" or "Should RDM keep his job?" just because he put up too defensive a formation one game. There are also things that we are not privy to. Maybe Moses didn't track back at all in training. Maybe Oscar keeps getting physically pushed around in training. It's the armchair general view of things. You will never have to field your starting XI so you are immune to criticism so your theoretical starting XI is always perfect and since no real starting XI is ever perfect, yours is always better. (And I am using "your" in a general sense".

2) That's not any different to me. Dropping someone after 2 bad games after months or years of solid play is ridiculous as well. If managers did that, nobody would ever play for them. The idea that the team top of the table is going to make massive personnel changes because of one away draw in a derby is absurd. We are likely to make changes for next game simply because we are playing 3 games this week.

[SeB 1,281]

I agree with Zolayes, you are hardly the problem. It's the people on the match day thread who do the "take so and so off" after 10 minutes because he made two bad passes. It's the "so and so is crap" because they had a bad game. It's the "fire the coach" when you're on top of the table.

Look, I have said many times before that my main worry with RDM is that he seems too conservative which means that he's slow to make changes both between matches and in-game. There is a lot of room for legitimate and reasoned criticism and analysis which you do quite well. (I very much like your game analyses) Nobody is saying that you have to love everything RDM does or think that every player is great, I just would love to see reasoned discussion take the place of insane over-reaction. Right now, the latter dominates.

Yeah, like I responded to zolayes, that was just precisions on my remarks, I didn't wanted to be involved in a wild debate

He probably isn't, I had major concerns before he was appointed and he hasn't convinced me yet, sadly.

I still think we can win the league under him though.

The 25 points thing is a real thing, I don't doubt our quality on 90mn but on the season long. Tactically we're not sound (laziness of some players is at the expense of others who basically has to chase the ball for them) and we lack a proper bench depth.

We've enough quality to end above the 6th place. 4th, 3rd is my current expectation, and probably also 20 points away from both Manchesters

[Sheva. 5,373]

1) It's not the formation I would have chosen, but no manager ever picks the exact starting XI I want. I don't care if you disagree with it, I do too, it's the overreaction, the "RDM is an idiot" or "Should RDM keep his job?" just because he put up too defensive a formation one game. There are also things that we are not privy to. Maybe Moses didn't track back at all in training. Maybe Oscar keeps getting physically pushed around in training. It's the armchair general view of things. You will never have to field your starting XI so you are immune to criticism so your theoretical starting XI is always perfect and since no real starting XI is ever perfect, yours is always better. (And I am using "your" in a general sense".

2) That's not any different to me. Dropping someone after 2 bad games after months or years of solid play is ridiculous as well. If managers did that, nobody would ever play for them. The idea that the team top of the table is going to make massive personnel changes because of one away draw in a derby is absurd. We are likely to make changes for next game simply because we are playing 3 games this week.

I actually do not think people are over reacting, i did a couple weeks ago - but he keeps playing Ramires out wide, to many fans disapproval and made it 100 times worse today.

I normally try not to complain when i see the starting lineup because there's every chance players can play better than you expected. But today i just knew there was no way we could consistently put pressure on them with Ramires and Bertrand out wide.

Now i don't think he should be sacked, but he needs to have a more positive approach - a team like this is not that bad against Man city for example, but surely not QPR.

As for the second part, sometimes players need to be dropped to make them know they won't play every game if they don't perform. Just look at Fergie, a couple weeks ago he dropped De gea because of one mistake in a game they won. He dropped Rooney after a bad game against Everton and also dropped Evra today.

[Rowan_Osborn 58]

Some people are forgetting that the team we have been playing this season are generally the same as last with Hazard being the only exception. Can't just suddenly expect us to play open expansive football when most of our players are yet to even being fully integrated into the first team.

I doesn't really seem as though any efforts are being made to integrate players though. Azpicuelta hasn't played, Moses has had 20mins, same goes for Oscar.

[zolayes 14,489]

I dont think its too early. Hes been manager for almost a year. We were poor in the league under rdm last season. We won the champions league by playing 11 men behind the ball and luckily scoring a few goals on the break. Any idiot can play those tactics. Hes not a genius like the media made him out to be we just had a lot of luck. So far this season we have played some of the worst football i have ever seen from a top team due to his negative tactics. A lot of people didnt want us to hire him permanently (me included) because we could see this shitty style of play coming. At least avb did things his own way and dropped players when they needed to be dropped.

RDM took over in March I think ,,,so less than two months of last season and FOUR PL games this season ......HARDLY a season

[Dylan_91 90]

RDM took over in March I think ,,,so less than two months of last season and FOUR PL games this season ......HARDLY a season

feels like a year

[zolayes 14,489]

feels like a year

well we won the CL and the FA cup and are on top of the PL so quite a good year

[Dylan_91 90]

largely down to luck and determination. not rdm

[zolayes 14,489]

largely down to luck and determination. not rdm

as Gary Player said ...the harder I work the luckier I get ,,,,,

Maybe a LUCKY manager is just what we need, For years Arsenal were known as Lucky Arsenal when they were winning things.

[Dylan_91 90]

as Gary Player said ...the harder I work the luckier I get ,,,,,

Maybe a LUCKY manager is just what we need, For years Arsenal were known as Lucky Arsenal when they were winning things.

Lets see how it goes but id rather rely on a decent manager who doesn't play negatively in every game than hope we get lucky again by playing 11 men behind the ball. Fair enough last season he inherited a crap squad and did the best he could. This season we have some of the most exciting young players in the world and we play ramires and bertrand on the wings.

[Sheva. 5,373]

Fair enough last season he inherited a crap squad and did the best he could. This season we have some of the most exciting young players in the world and we play ramires and bertrand on the wings.

And this is exactly why many people don't agree with his squad selection. Last season it was understandable, now it's simply ridiculous.

[Deanocfc 22]

I think RDM is trying to not make the same mistakes AVB did, rushing into the changes/changing too much too soon, and upsetting the team balance. However, today needed more creative players to open up a stern QPR on a small pitch. I would never choose Ramires on RW, unless we are playing a counter attacking game. And Bertrand is just not a player to really open up a defence. Torres was woeful and needs to be dropped for Stoke at home. Sturridge deserves a chance and Torres needs to stop sulking about everything.

I love RDM, let him gradually implement the wealth of attacking talent we now have, he will eventually take more risks with his team selection.

[Sheva. 5,373]

I still think we can win the league under him though.

Really? even though you have/had "major" concerns about him, i wouldn't call any concerns major if he can deliver the league

I love RDM, let him gradually implement the wealth of attacking talent we now have, he will eventually take more risks with his team selection.

I hope so.

[Tacticalpanic 17]

I would agree if this wasn't Moses debut. Had Moses started and had a bad game, RDM would get slated for starting an inexpirienced debutante in a derby match. In fact had a couple of decisions in the first half went the way they should have and we ran out as winners today, we would be saying that Roberto did well to play Ryan and Rami on the wings to absorb QPR's enthusiasm at home.

I partly agree with you , had we got a pen and scored and then aobsorbed QPR's pressure we'd have applauded the tactics , however in the 2nd half we were overrun in midfield , torres couldint hold the ball up and cech kept giving the ball back to the opposition , RDM waited far far far too long to change things that were clearly not working.

[Kieran. 6,317]

Really? even though you have/had "major" concerns about him, i wouldn't call any concerns major if he can deliver the league

Mhm. If he's around for at least 2-3 years, I think we could win the league. Similar to Mancini with Manchester City. Not at all a "world class" manager, but capable.