We need a Goalscorer !

[SeB 1,281]

He went 24 hours without a goal last season, I don't care if we were pumping the ball at 200 miles an hour - that type performance would only be alright for a striker in the Conference League.

Yeah, especially considering everything worked well. 6th place in the table, manager sacked, sunday league tactical gameplan, scrappy goals conceded, unability to create chances to score... Torres was arguably the main issue last season.

When some will understand that if Torres has been below expectations mentally, physically and statistically speaking in an team at least as bad as he has been, that'll be a massive step for mankind. The 1st aspects added to the second one, no way the 1st one implied the second as some would make people think

[Las7 951]

Yeah, especially considering everything worked well. 6th place in the table, manager sacked, sunday league tactical gameplan, scrappy goals conceded, unability to create chances to score... Torres was arguably the main issue last season.

That is no excuse for the most expensive and highest paid player to be so ineffectual at doing what he was bough for - simple as that it's simply an excuse for him not living up to his old capabilities.

When some will understand that if Torres has been below expectations mentally, physically and statistically speaking in an team at least as bad as he has been, that'll be a massive step for mankind. The 1st aspects added to the second one, no way the 1st one implied the second as some would make people think

I would not say that the team was as bad as Torres, this is the same team which won the CL and FA Cup last season while Torres performed like a Conference Level Journeymen striker.

[SeB 1,281]

That is no excuse for the most expensive and highest paid player to be so ineffectual at doing what he was bough for - simple as that it's simply an excuse for him not living up to his old capabilities.

Money buys competency, not footballing skills. That's not "the most you pay a player, the better he gets". That's where the link is completely lost with the game in itself, every player has to be played in decent conditions whaterver money he has been brought for.

Torres adapted to 4 different playing styles, made an awful lot of runs since he's there. What's funny is that people only notice his movements when he doesn't moves because he asks the ball on his feet. Anyway...

It's hard to deny that Torres did crystallize most part of the desastrous sporting policy led since Scolari came in. It's seems like the kids' approach after losing 8-0: we lost because of the goalkeeper

[Las7 951]

Money buys competency, not footballing skills. That's not "the most you pay a player, the better he gets". That's where the link is completely lost with the game in itself, every player has to be played in decent conditions whaterver money he has been brought for.

Torres adapted to 4 different playing styles, made an awful lot of runs since he's there. What's funny is that people only notice his movements when he doesn't moves because he asks the ball on his feet. Anyway...

It's hard to deny that Torres did crystallize most part of the desastrous sporting policy led since Scolari came in. It's seems like the kids' approach after losing 8-0: we lost because of the goalkeeper

SeB Torres doesn't move inside the box. He is the most static striker in the League when it comes to movement inside the box. His movement is distinctly outside the box. Even at Liverpool his movement inside the box during open play was appalling he still wanted the ball into his feet inside the box - difference is that he had the capability to get a shot off. At Chelsea he is still waiting for the ball into his feet inside the box - but this will not happen because we face teams which won't allow that type of space and he no longer is able to eliminate defenders like he used to with nutmegs and acceleration.

Adapting to 4 different tactics is something you would say about someone who actually manages to play well in 4 different systems - fact is that Torres has been really effective in two systems and those two systems relied on skills and confidence he no longer possesses and both those two systems were contrived by Benitez to get the best out of him and Gerrard. But both those systems relied upon Torres's speed; acceleration and confidence - while what we received is a hesitant striker who is moaning about our tactical setups rather than doing his part in them.

Whether you feel that the fee is immaterial for his overall performance is another matter - to me if a player demands to be the top payed player at a club and an automatic starter there are expectations bestowed upon him which are far greater than a guy like Kalou who is making one third of his wages. Fact is Kalou played decently in a variety of systems without ever being thrust into an automatic starting position. Torres placed the pressure upon himself by negotiating such a wage and forcing himself out of Liverpool - so it's not something we can blame entirely on our management. Three managers have had the opportunity to install confidence into Torres and systems and tactics are an excuse which is getting tiring if you are truely a World Class player you need to step up in a variety of setups and systems. Berbatov for example never really hit it off in United's system which relied on his direct compatitor Rooney far too much - but still Berba managed to have a far better overall impact on that squad than Torres. Anelka only really had half a season at our Club in a system that truly suited him - he still managed to make himself an overall good signing for his time here. Sheva tried to adapt his game while he was at CFC and despite never working out for him - he still managed to do better than Torres.

There are countless examples and your comments are just miss directed - we have had 2 years with Torres at the club and patience has ran out for the majority of us.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Money buys competency, not footballing skills. That's not "the most you pay a player, the better he gets". That's where the link is completely lost with the game in itself, every player has to be played in decent conditions whaterver money he has been brought for.

Torres adapted to 4 different playing styles, made an awful lot of runs since he's there. What's funny is that people only notice his movements when he doesn't moves because he asks the ball on his feet. Anyway...

It's hard to deny that Torres did crystallize most part of the desastrous sporting policy led since Scolari came in. It's seems like the kids' approach after losing 8-0: we lost because of the goalkeeper

Money buys comptency! Of course it does - hence why better players are valued higher!!!

And more valuable players want higher wages - there's no mystery there or link lost...

It's like a Top Sales Guy - he gets paid shit loads to deliver, if he delivers he gets paid shit loads more...

Torres market value was grossly over-inflated, therefore 200k week is in accordance with the 50mil price tag... If the Torres that had scored TWICE against us before signing had shown up at CFC this discussion wouldn't be happening.

Instead we got a fucking liability. As for adapting 4 times - do me a favour - EVERY time a team attacks, the players have to ADAPT - as teams are human and hard to predict what happens - it's called 'Anticipation' - Torres just does not have this...

The simple facts are:

1) He's never in the box when you need him

2) He never shoots from outside the box - where he fucking is most of the time

So - anybody with a relative grasp of cause + effect can see WHY he will never succeed for us...

Honestly, just fuck him off - he's not worth defending... He's shit! The whole world knows it and the longer we play him, the more it will damage the Team and OUR reputation...

[The Skipper 20,593]

Still think we need more than just a pure goal scorer. Mind you, Torres' goal scoring ratio at Liverpool was immense.

[Tomo 21,733]

We need a Goalscorer !

In other news David Cameron is the Prime Minister of England.

[HNKS 508]

Just watching the Fulham - Sunderland match and I realised we have worse forwards than most teams in the league. Id rather have Fletcher than Torres. I honestly believe Holt from Norwich provides more of an attacking threat than Torres. January cant come quick enough.

[Hutcho 8,443]

Just watching the Fulham - Sunderland match and I realised we have worse forwards than most teams in the league. Id rather have Fletcher than Torres. I honestly believe Holt from Norwich provides more of an attacking threat than Torres. January cant come quick enough.

You are not the only one.

[Stingray 9,441]

Just watching the Fulham - Sunderland match and I realised we have worse forwards than most teams in the league. Id rather have Fletcher than Torres. I honestly believe Holt from Norwich provides more of an attacking threat than Torres. January cant come quick enough.

To quote Hutcho: You are not the only one.

We might actually be doing good for a team in transition, a lot of youngsters and playing with 10 every match. Seriously.

[Muzchap 8,966]

I still wish we'd signed Berbatov - Fulham could have won this match and Berbatov was instrumental in everything... 6 million? Amazing bit of business...

Loans window ends Thursday, surely there are some Loan strikers we could get?

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Jovetic or El Sharaawy if they are available.

Young, skilled, fast, strong, link-up players, finishers. Not too expensive and realy promissing.

I think Falcao would be great but he is huge gamble and we had two big money strikers and

both failed. Cavani is staying until summer, Dzeko, Balo or Lewandowski are unavailable. Bony could be great backup, but no one knows if he is good enough to be starter. Villa is too old, Huntelaar wont fit the team, Llorente is out of form, Suarez wont leave Lpool, Martinez is too expensive. Jovetic or Shaarawy would be great.

[Jype 6,398]

I still wish we'd signed Berbatov - Fulham could have won this match and Berbatov was instrumental in everything... 6 million? Amazing bit of business...

Loans window ends Thursday, surely there are some Loan strikers we could get?

Ferguson would never have sold Berbatov to us, especially for that price.

Most people here were laughing when me and a couple other members said we should at least try signing Dimitar as he would have offered us something completely different than Torres and also be a cheap escape route should Torres fail us once again. Where are those people now?

[Las7 951]

Ferguson would never have sold Berbatov to us, especially for that price.

Most people here were laughing when me and a couple other members said we should at least try signing Dimitar as he would have offered us something completely different than Torres and also be a cheap escape route should Torres fail us once again. Where are those people now?

Same people that were coming up with a variation of excuses?

Either weeping in the room looking at their Torres poster or deleting all their old comments in Torres threads

[RamiCFC9 258]

Ferguson would never have sold Berbatov to us, especially for that price.

Most people here were laughing when me and a couple other members said we should at least try signing Dimitar as he would have offered us something completely different than Torres and also be a cheap escape route should Torres fail us once again. Where are those people now?

It's always like that ... Even if Messi is to come, some people will find why he won't make it ... too small, not EPL proven, risk of flop and the list goes on and on.With this team Berba would've done absolutely brilliantly also Sturridge wouldn't have been so unused, because Dimitar has probably the best linkup play for a striker in EPL and would've supplied Studg with countless through balls ... but that's all trash talk, since it's never going to happen anyway.

[Chelsea? 892]

Ferguson would never have sold Berbatov to us, especially for that price.

Most people here were laughing when me and a couple other members said we should at least try signing Dimitar as he would have offered us something completely different than Torres and also be a cheap escape route should Torres fail us once again. Where are those people now?

don't see much of a difference between the two players. DB is better but so is Holt, Fletcher, Danny, Ba, etc.

[HNKS 508]

Its crazy to think nearly every striker in the whole of the premier league is more of a threat than Torres.

We the fans and the club put faith in him and he failed us. Fuck off Torres, you aint wanted anymore.

[xPetrCechx 13,563]