New striker needed - but who?

[underdrog 18]

we didnt even twitch for 29 year old 20m RVP ...

maybe buying lukaku was a mistake...we could have bought a quality striker ..hope fully we will learn lessons from buys of Torres and lukaku

[Reddish-Blue 2,428]

  On 12/10/2012 at 03:27, The Madrid One said:

He knew it but he is not happy, the problem with barcelona is that they have not brought the right players in their attempts to bring in players to maximize messi.

Villa only joined barca beacause he wanted titles, now that he has problems with messi, with tito, he doesnt play, and when he does play he doesnt play where he should ideally, rumor has it hes even had talks with juventus, and this comes from a very close guy to villa's group of close confidents.

They sold eto'o, they wasted almost 200 million on failures of ibrahimovic, affelay, sanchez, and arguably villa ( hed ba a failure if it wasnt for the 10/11 campagin) shame on them. Barca has been garbage at transfers.

Afellay is such an awesome talent, I was surprised when he joined Barcelona....he was apparently very close to signing a contract with Arsenal.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

  On 12/10/2012 at 03:32, Reddish-Blue said:

Afellay is such an awesome talent, I was surprised when he joined Barcelona....he was apparently very close to signing a contract with Arsenal.

He is loaned in shalke now, he was a guardiola signing, was injured, turned irrelevant with guys like cuenca and tello, and isnt a tito signing, could go to arsenal eventually imo.

[The Skipper 20,593]

  On 12/10/2012 at 02:02, The Madrid One said:

Benzema has stated many times he wants to be an SS type of play, he wants to be a mix between a 10 and a 9, he wants to give goals, while scoring them, hence his reluctance to make runs in real madrid a typical 9 like higuain would do.

If you've watched us in any sort if capacity you'd see that Torres is playing exactly the same way you describe how Benzema wants to play. Torres is very involved in the build up play. Whoever plays up front is expected to contribute to the creation of chances at CFC. Benzema would be a much better fit than Higuain for Chelsea if what you say about his preferences are true.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

  On 12/10/2012 at 16:51, The Skipper said:

If you've watched us in any sort if capacity you'd see that Torres is playing exactly the same way you describe how Benzema wants to play. Torres is very involved in the build up play. Whoever plays up front is expected to contribute to the creation of chances at CFC. Benzema would be a much better fit than Higuain for Chelsea if what you say about his preferences are true.

TSK...Wrong my boy, the man wants to play behind the striker, or atleast not serve as a main goalscorer among playmakers in a clusterfck.

It seems you didnt read well or didnt understand.

This man wants to be the focal point of a team in a way in which he scores alot while also playmaking, with 3 people already doing the playmaking, he'd be cut short, can't care less what chelsea fans think they want or need when it comes to benzema if they can't understand that the way he'd play one of your oscar, hazard, mata, would get benched.

With all the playmakers you need a goal scorer, why do you think you guys have this thread? Because you need a goal scorer, and if your coach was smart, he'd go after falcao or higuain. Lol using torres as an example...you guys have no reference upfront, benzema wouldnt come here to be cut short.

At madrid he's near perfect ( doesnt make many runs a 9 would, but i think he'd adapt if higuain leaves), the problem is that he is still not undisputed starter, this is the last year this will happen at madrid, benz wants to leave because he got told by mou ( according to sources near to him) that he would start most to begin this season, he lied to benz, and now he's looking for a way out. Mou wanted higuain to play as the 9 apparently and its not working, so benz is coming up and if he "rules the world" and ostracizes higuain then even better for chelsea.

Falcao wont come with benz here, and falcao and higuain will be up for your grabs, which is the ideal.

[The Skipper 20,593]

  On 12/10/2012 at 20:16, The Madrid One said:

TSK...Wrong my boy, the man wants to play behind the striker, or atleast not serve as a main goalscorer among playmakers in a clusterfck.

It seems you didnt read well or didnt understand.

This man wants to be the focal point of a team in a way in which he scores alot while also playmaking, with 3 people already doing the playmaking, he'd be cut short, can't care less what chelsea fans think they want or need when it comes to benzema if they can't understand that the way he'd play one of your oscar, hazard, mata, would get benched.

With all the playmakers you need a goal scorer, why do you think you guys have this thread? Because you need a goal scorer, and if your coach was smart, he'd go after falcao or higuain. Lol using torres as an example...you guys have no reference upfront, benzema wouldnt come here to be cut short.

At madrid he's near perfect ( doesnt make many runs a 9 would, but i think he'd adapt if higuain leaves), the problem is that he is still not undisputed starter, this is the last year this will happen at madrid, benz wants to leave because he got told by mou ( according to sources near to him) that he would start most to begin this season, he lied to benz, and now he's looking for a way out. Mou wanted higuain to play as the 9 apparently and its not working, so benz is coming up and if he "rules the world" and ostracizes higuain then even better for chelsea.

Falcao wont come with benz here, and falcao and higuain will be up for your grabs, which is the ideal.

Wrong where? Don't call me your "boy" either, no need to be patronising. You were the one that described Benzema as a striker that enjoys linking up and being involved in the build up play. I stated that Torres does that for Chelsea right now, in no way am I comparing Benzema with Torres, all I said was that he'd be a better fit for CFC than Higuain (based on your opinion that Benzema prefers to play part in the creation of chances) as Torres does a similar thing at CFC right now.

I don't think it's as simple as us needing a pure goal scorer, Torres is a pretty potent one, but like I said if you've watched us this season you would've noticed how involved Torres is with the build up play. Which is why I said my comment about Benzema being a better fit than Higuain at CFC. Yes Torres has three playmakers behind him, but because they don't really provide width, it's essential for whoever plays number 9 to be involved in the play as there won't be a lot of spaces to run into especially if an opponent sets up a low block formation. It isn't as simple as Torres/whoever sitting on the edge of the box waiting for our playmaking trinity to create chances for him.

Also it's very naive to think that the title of this thread represents the view of the whole forum. If you would've bothered reading through the pages, which I'm guessing you clearly did not, you'd see people disagreeing with valid points and opinions with the opinion that we need another striker.

[Reddish-Blue 2,428]

  On 13/10/2012 at 03:33, The Skipper said:

Wrong where? Don't call me your "boy" either, no need to be patronising. You were the one that described Benzema as a striker that enjoys linking up and being involved in the build up play. I stated that Torres does that for Chelsea right now, in no way am I comparing Benzema with Torres, all I said was that he'd be a better fit for CFC than Higuain (based on your opinion that Benzema prefers to play part in the creation of chances) as Torres does a similar thing at CFC right now.

I don't think it's as simple as us needing a pure goal scorer, Torres is a pretty potent one, but like I said if you've watched us this season you would've noticed how involved Torres is with the build up play. Which is why I said my comment about Benzema being a better fit than Higuain at CFC. Yes Torres has three playmakers behind him, but because they don't really provide width, it's essential for whoever plays number 9 to be involved in the play as there won't be a lot of spaces to run into especially if an opponent sets up a low block formation. It isn't as simple as Torres/whoever sitting on the edge of the box waiting for our playmaking trinity to create chances for him.

Also it's very naive to think that the title of this thread represents the view of the whole forum. If you would've bothered reading through the pages, which I'm guessing you clearly did not, you'd see people disagreeing with valid points and opinions with the opinion that we need another striker.

All we need is a rotation striker. Someone that will keep Torres fresh as well as score a few goals.

Buying Falcao would be a dream come true...but do we really want to shatter Torres' confidence? Cause if Falcao joins, he'll be starting CF from day one which will leave Torres' future in doubt.

I wouldn't mind Chelsea taking a chance on Ba if he really has a release clause of only 7 million. Sure, he's got injury issues but as a proven striker who can help Torres stay fresh, 7 million is a bargain.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

  On 13/10/2012 at 03:33, The Skipper said:

Wrong where? Don't call me your "boy" either, no need to be patronising. You were the one that described Benzema as a striker that enjoys linking up and being involved in the build up play. I stated that Torres does that for Chelsea right now, in no way am I comparing Benzema with Torres, all I said was that he'd be a better fit for CFC than Higuain (based on your opinion that Benzema prefers to play part in the creation of chances) as Torres does a similar thing at CFC right now.

I don't think it's as simple as us needing a pure goal scorer, Torres is a pretty potent one, but like I said if you've watched us this season you would've noticed how involved Torres is with the build up play. Which is why I said my comment about Benzema being a better fit than Higuain at CFC. Yes Torres has three playmakers behind him, but because they don't really provide width, it's essential for whoever plays number 9 to be involved in the play as there won't be a lot of spaces to run into especially if an opponent sets up a low block formation. It isn't as simple as Torres/whoever sitting on the edge of the box waiting for our playmaking trinity to create chances for him.

Also it's very naive to think that the title of this thread represents the view of the whole forum. If you would've bothered reading through the pages, which I'm guessing you clearly did not, you'd see people disagreeing with valid points and opinions with the opinion that we need another striker.

Dont be ridiculous, you are confusing your self in an attempt to prove me wrong, and fail.

Benzema wants to have a playmaking role, a very focused one, with the 3 chelsea play makers there, that won't happen, so CHELSEA IS NOT THE IDEAL PLACE FOR WHAT BENZEMA WANTS.

If benzema leaves madrid it is because he is not THE starter yet, if higuain gets ostracized then benz might stay and score some 40 goals and 20 assists if we are to judge from previous campaigns.

He wants a sort of freedom that here in chelsea he wont get, not good enough for benz or chelsea.

There wouldnt be a majority vote for a new striker if it wasnt fact that torres is not enough, you can argue that until you fall asleep if you want, but a goal scorer who you can feed and play vertical football with is the answer, lets see if torres delivers, and if chelsea decide to leave him be.

Please dont try to go around things, what i said is that benzema wont come here because it is not ideal, and that chelsea are arguably looking for a striker, and the type of falcao or higuain would be the best. Considering that there arent many players like benzema in a world class status if any, then a 9 is what you will get as the reference up front, thats it. I mean, can't you see the unsettlement and news around getting a new striker since people arent convinced with torres overall?

You wont get benzema, and if you get a new striker it will most likely be a 9 thats it.

Having benzema at chelsea would be a waste specially for him.

And please dont get so defensive, "my boy" is a way to make conversation, im not trying to degrade you as a human being..

My main thesis has been said, and i doubt it can really be fought against.

Look at benz in france vs japan yesterday.. he played behind giroud ffs. He is more of a playmaker/goal scorer than anything else. Hasnt scored a goal since september 2011 with france. not his fault entirely though.

If torres comes though and no new striker comes in then good for you, but if you dont want to miss out on guys who have proved them selves like falcao and yes even higuain ( youd have to be a blind delusional to think he isnt proven, compared to torres at the very least) then you will go after them.

If torres links up well and starts scoring goals then great, that may not be enough for roman though, what stops him from going after the most inform striker in the world?

[Muzchap 8,966]

  On 13/10/2012 at 03:57, Reddish-Blue said:

All we need is a rotation striker. Someone that will keep Torres fresh as well as score a few goals.

Buying Falcao would be a dream come true...but do we really want to shatter Torres' confidence? Cause if Falcao joins, he'll be starting CF from day one which will leave Torres' future in doubt.

I wouldn't mind Chelsea taking a chance on Ba if he really has a release clause of only 7 million. Sure, he's got injury issues but as a proven striker who can help Torres stay fresh, 7 million is a bargain.

That ship sailed in August, as far as I'm aware the 7 million release clause has expired...

[Mufassir08 2,400]

I think we are 2 signings away from having one of the best squads in the world a striker and a center back.For the striker role i think llorente would suit us that is ofcourse if torres is scoring goals,so we have 2 very good strikers in torres and llorente who are also different from each other with studge and lukaku(when he returns from his loan) also available.Also de bruyne will be like a new signing next season and he can play on the wings as well as in midfield.If torres does not perform then i think we should go all out for falcao.

[The Skipper 20,593]

  On 13/10/2012 at 04:44, The Madrid One said:

Dont be ridiculous, you are confusing your self in an attempt to prove me wrong, and fail.

Benzema wants to have a playmaking role, a very focused one, with the 3 chelsea play makers there, that won't happen, so CHELSEA IS NOT THE IDEAL PLACE FOR WHAT BENZEMA WANTS.

If benzema leaves madrid it is because he is not THE starter yet, if higuain gets ostracized then benz might stay and score some 40 goals and 20 assists if we are to judge from previous campaigns.

He wants a sort of freedom that here in chelsea he wont get, not good enough for benz or chelsea.

There wouldnt be a majority vote for a new striker if it wasnt fact that torres is not enough, you can argue that until you fall asleep if you want, but a goal scorer who you can feed and play vertical football with is the answer, lets see if torres delivers, and if chelsea decide to leave him be.

Please dont try to go around things, what i said is that benzema wont come here because it is not ideal, and that chelsea are arguably looking for a striker, and the type of falcao or higuain would be the best. Considering that there arent many players like benzema in a world class status if any, then a 9 is what you will get as the reference up front, thats it. I mean, can't you see the unsettlement and news around getting a new striker since people arent convinced with torres overall?

You wont get benzema, and if you get a new striker it will most likely be a 9 thats it.

Having benzema at chelsea would be a waste specially for him.

And please dont get so defensive, "my boy" is a way to make conversation, im not trying to degrade you as a human being..

My main thesis has been said, and i doubt it can really be fought against.

Look at benz in france vs japan yesterday.. he played behind giroud ffs. He is more of a playmaker/goal scorer than anything else. Hasnt scored a goal since september 2011 with france. not his fault entirely though.

If torres comes though and no new striker comes in then good for you, but if you dont want to miss out on guys who have proved them selves like falcao and yes even higuain ( youd have to be a blind delusional to think he isnt proven, compared to torres at the very least) then you will go after them.

If torres links up well and starts scoring goals then great, that may not be enough for roman though, what stops him from going after the most inform striker in the world?

I'm not confusing myself at all. I've given you my opinion on why I think Benzema would fit better for Chelsea as he likes to create too (according to you) which is something Torres does this season, and even last season, where he got around 15 assists, which obviously tells you that our striker, whoever that is, is also responsible for creating.

Nowhere have I said that Torres is proven either, all I said is that there are people in this thread who equally think we don't need a new striker, unless Torres goes of course.

I never said CFC should go for Benzema, Higuain or Falcao. All I said was that Benzema would be a better fit in my opinion. If you think that's not right then fair enough, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. It's called an opinion. People opine on forums, it's the main point of it. I've given you reasons why I think Benzema would be a better fit than Higuain, and I'm not really going to go over them again because they're there to read. So we'll just leave it there.

[The Skipper 20,593]

  On 13/10/2012 at 03:57, Reddish-Blue said:

All we need is a rotation striker. Someone that will keep Torres fresh as well as score a few goals.

Buying Falcao would be a dream come true...but do we really want to shatter Torres' confidence? Cause if Falcao joins, he'll be starting CF from day one which will leave Torres' future in doubt.

I wouldn't mind Chelsea taking a chance on Ba if he really has a release clause of only 7 million. Sure, he's got injury issues but as a proven striker who can help Torres stay fresh, 7 million is a bargain.

I don't think Ba would come from starting for a decent team like Newcastle to being a rotational striker at CFC.

[Kojo 4,676]

  On 12/10/2012 at 03:27, The Madrid One said:

He knew it but he is not happy, the problem with barcelona is that they have not brought the right players in their attempts to bring in players to maximize messi.

Villa only joined barca beacause he wanted titles, now that he has problems with messi, with tito, he doesnt play, and when he does play he doesnt play where he should ideally, rumor has it hes even had talks with juventus, and this comes from a very close guy to villa's group of close confidents.

They sold eto'o, they wasted almost 200 million on failures of ibrahimovic, affelay, sanchez, and arguably villa ( hed ba a failure if it wasnt for the 10/11 campagin) shame on them. Barca has been garbage at transfers.

Shame on them?, they are the best team in the world, and mainly due to there very impresive youth, they are a blessing to football in my opinion. Despite the cheating in games, what cannot be proven to be fair, but looks very likely. They are still one hell of a team and I'm glad I witnessed them in there prime.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

  On 13/10/2012 at 12:59, Kojo said:

Shame on them?, they are the best team in the world, and mainly due to there very impresive youth, they are a blessing to football in my opinion. Despite the cheating in games, what cannot be proven to be fair, but looks very likely. They are still one hell of a team and I'm glad I witnessed them in there prime.

Shame on them for wasting so much money on failures money they could have used on players who were actually great for their system.

So shame on them. Im not saying that they are a bad club.. You didnt understand.

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

The way the team is set up, this is what attributes our striker should possess:

Good link-up play with the AMs, especially with Hazard (greatest link-up player in the world imo).

Stays in and around the box.

Good one-touch, two-touch finisher with both feet and head.

Decent hold-up play.

Don't think we need a Drogba anymore, we can make do with a player that isn't the most complete player, but rather a proper 9.

Who?

Falcao obv, but he might be too expensive. He's the best finisher in the world, but his link-up play is very mediocre and if Chelsea has to be a force, their 3 AM will have to be goal-scorers too and that requires good link-up play with the striker.

Damiao, I like him a lot, great finisher but he might have a hard time adjusting in the PL.

Dzeko, incredibly underrated imo, I think he's a class player and if it was up to me he'd be my number 1 choice.

Torres, Torres is like the opposite of Falcao right now, his overall game has improved so much but dude is no more a lethal finisher, not even great anymore. If he somehow starts finishing even half as good as the Liverpool Torres then I don't think anyone in the world would be a better fit.

[RamiCFC9 258]

Can't believe some people speak so highly of Benzema .. Look at the sitters he missed, he is also the most non big game player I have ever seen.I would rather have a striker who can finish because this is his main job.Finishing and scoring goals is atleast 50% of the job a striker must do and FALCAO does it with ease.

And if we really are going to spend light sum on "reserve" striker in the diapason of 10-20 mil., then in my opinion Demba Ba is the best option.

Also what's with the "Torres is doing great job for the team", how can a player do a good job for his team when 70+% of the time when he gets the ball he loses it, explain to me please.In my opinion Falcao's work rate is as good as Torres if not better.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

  On 13/10/2012 at 16:59, RamiCFC9 said:

Can't believe some people speak so highly of Benzema .. Look at the sitters he missed, he is also the most non big game player I have ever seen.I would rather have a striker who can finish because this is his main job.Finishing and scoring goals is atleast 50% of the job a striker must do and FALCAO does it with ease.

And if we really are going to spend light sum on "reserve" striker in the diapason of 10-20 mil., then in my opinion Demba Ba is the best option.

Also what's with the "Torres is doing great job for the team", how can a player do a good job for his team when 70+% of the time when he gets the ball he loses it, explain to me please.In my opinion Falcao's work rate is as good as Torres if not better.

You dont watch real madrid, for you to call him a " non big player" seems to me a bit uneducated.

The guy scored 32 goals and 15 assists last year, and could have gotten to 40-20 minimum if higuain didnt take minutes from him. All this considering that ronaldo takes most of the shine in the attack. Benzema is a great forward, but going to chelsea is a nono for him.

Benzema was actually a great player against barcelona last year, scoring something like 3 goals and 3 assists against them, and s always among the top goals+ assists packaged in the champions league.

He could be hitting better form if he was the undisuputed striker.

Lol so if you are going to try to discredit benzema, then do so in a logical way, like saying he might not be best for chelsea system due to many reasons, but when talking about him we are talking about a player who performed at a very high level against our main rivals all season long last year, and is capable of some of the best forward link up play there is, and makes his self worth with 30+ goals and 12 or so assists throughout the season, albeit sharing minutes with higuain.

[Superblue 6,372]

  On 13/10/2012 at 03:57, Reddish-Blue said:

All we need is a rotation striker. Someone that will keep Torres fresh as well as score a few goals.

Buying Falcao would be a dream come true...but do we really want to shatter Torres' confidence? Cause if Falcao joins, he'll be starting CF from day one which will leave Torres' future in doubt.

I wouldn't mind Chelsea taking a chance on Ba if he really has a release clause of only 7 million. Sure, he's got injury issues but as a proven striker who can help Torres stay fresh, 7 million is a bargain.

If Torres continues performing much more consistently for the rest of the season, he should reach 20-25 goals in all competitions which I said at the beginning of the season should be his aim and would be a very good season. That being the case I agree a rotational striker is required, even more important when you see Sturridge having been injured recently.

However why buy a rotational striker? We have an option to bring Lukaku back in January and should do just this. Ironically Lukaku probably would have had at least as much game time for us this season as he has so far had at West Brom, given Sturridge's injury. He has shown in glimpses that he can perform in the Premier League and another 3 months at West Brom should set him up well to come back here and help the squad.