Oscar

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

  On 01/03/2015 at 19:21, Styles said:

I take no pleasure in saying this but Oscar was not missed today at all. Not once during the game did I think to myself 'why didn't Oscar start' or 'bring Oscar on'

That's great! Means the manager has options and got it spot on! Carefree!

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Ramires was purchased for right around the same amount as Oscar, the now sold Schurrle was a couple million less. Why people think that because Oscar is our regular 10 means he has to start every big game is beyond me. He's another squad player who has his role within the team. Because he doesn't play in all of the big games doesn't mean he has no value...

As a matter of fact we're getting great return on a guy we bought for under 20m. Lower your expectations and you will love him AND Ramires! Two perfect examples of great squad guys

[bethos1 802]

  On 03/03/2015 at 04:01, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

Ramires was purchased for right around the same amount as Oscar, the now sold Schurrle was a couple million less. Why people think that because Oscar is our regular 10 means he has to start every big game is beyond me. He's another squad player who has his role within the team. Because he doesn't play in all of the big games doesn't mean he has no value...

As a matter of fact we're getting great return on a guy we bought for under 20m. Lower your expectations and you will love him AND Ramires! Two perfect examples of great squad guys

I will never love Ramires [emoji14] I do like Oscar though.

[The Skipper 20,593]

  On 03/03/2015 at 04:01, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

Ramires was purchased for right around the same amount as Oscar, the now sold Schurrle was a couple million less. Why people think that because Oscar is our regular 10 means he has to start every big game is beyond me. He's another squad player who has his role within the team. Because he doesn't play in all of the big games doesn't mean he has no value...

As a matter of fact we're getting great return on a guy we bought for under 20m. Lower your expectations and you will love him AND Ramires! Two perfect examples of great squad guys

Almost every single source has it that we paid £25m for Oscar.

Question for you. When we bought Oscar, what expectations did you have for him? Because many viewed him alongside with Hazard as our future stars. He isn't looking like he'll ever be as important as Eden to us though.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

  On 03/03/2015 at 12:19, The Skipper said:

Almost every single source has it that we paid £25m for Oscar.

Question for you. When we bought Oscar, what expectations did you have for him? Because many viewed him alongside with Hazard as our future stars. He isn't looking like he'll ever be as important as Eden to us though.

Well Internacional's accounting firm have it at 19.35M, I don't see a reason why they would lie. Also if you look at Oscar's Amortized fee there is no way its 25m we paid for him.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

  On 03/03/2015 at 10:28, bethos1 said:

I will never love Ramires [emoji14] I do like Oscar though.

Love Ramires he's without question the perfect squad player!

[stroey 2,525]

  On 03/03/2015 at 13:14, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

Love Ramires he's without question the perfect squad player!

Perfect big game player, we haven't lost a big game with him starting this season. If he starts scoring goals again, even better.

Rambo-Matic-Cesc is our best set up in CL.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

  On 03/03/2015 at 13:24, stroey said:

Perfect big game player, we haven't lost a big game with him starting this season. If he starts scoring goals again, even better.

Rambo-Matic-Cesc is our best set up in CL.

I think its based on the opponent.

[stroey 2,525]

  On 03/03/2015 at 13:25, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

I think its based on the opponent.

Yeah obviously not in the group games, but in knock out rounds I'd always go with that midfield.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

  On 03/03/2015 at 13:28, stroey said:

Yeah obviously not in the group games, but in knock out rounds I'd always go with that midfield.

Depends on the game still. If we are down 3-1 ans need to score goals in the second leg I'd play Oscar.

[lionsden 4,689]

  On 03/03/2015 at 12:19, The Skipper said:

Almost every single source has it that we paid £25m for Oscar.

Question for you. When we bought Oscar, what expectations did you have for him? Because many viewed him alongside with Hazard as our future stars. He isn't looking like he'll ever be as important as Eden to us though.

He was part of the cringe worthy "three amigos" "mazacar" so you are definitely right.

[lionsden 4,689]

Ramires has done far more for Chelsea than Oscar ever as. the disrespect of the former is quite shameful. He was the players player of the year in 2012 and many thought should have won the chelsea POTY that year instead of Mata. he was also quite instrumental in our CL win and has performed consistently well for us bar his first couple of months here and 2nd part of last season. He has proven to be a much more reliable and valuable asset for the team than Oscar. If it came down to it, there's no logical reason to keep oscar at the expense of ramires.

in layman's term I will sell Oscar before i ever consider selling ramires.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

  On 03/03/2015 at 12:19, The Skipper said:

Question for you. When we bought Oscar, what expectations did you have for him? Because many viewed him alongside with Hazard as our future stars. He isn't looking like he'll ever be as important as Eden to us though.

I had no expectation actually I knew nothing about him before we purchased him. He's been very good though if you ask me! He's definitely increased his value and is worth more than the 19.35m we paid for him...

Hey man you're more than within your right to demand more from him, I want more too, just think you guy have placed unrealistic expectations on him because he's the "Brazilian 10" He works hard for the team and scores important goals, that's enough for me.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Well, any player will struggle to show his best if they're not playing weeks in weeks out. He is play today, dropped next match, play again next, dropped again, dropped again, play again.

See how Salah doing at Fio, weaker league aside? that's what you get from playing regularly.

So unfortunate for Oscar, against particular opponents, Jose prefer more a system that doesn't need Oscar style of play. I don't have a complain though as it is for the team first what is most important.

Also in addition, he just signed the extension for 5 more year not long time ago, so whether you have to 'accept' that he will be stick around for a while now, or you will be 'forced dying to accept' that later

[lionsden 4,689]

  On 03/03/2015 at 14:08, RoyalBlues said:

Well, any player will struggle to show his best if they're not playing weeks in weeks out. He is play today, dropped next match, play again next, dropped again, dropped again, play again.

See how Salah doing at Fio, weaker league aside? that's what you get from playing regularly.

So unfortunate for Oscar, against particular opponents, Jose prefer more a system that doesn't need Oscar style of play. I don't have a complain though as it is for the team first what is most important.

Maybe, just maybe it has something to do with his consistency and importance to the team?. Why aren't the likes of Hazard,matic,JT et al going through the same predicament. The reality is Oscar is nothing more than a squad player at this point and rightly so. We can't be giving out handouts to perennial underperformers. Every player should earn their place in the team and Oscar hasn't done enough to earn a regular starting berth.

And God knows he's had ridiculous amount of chances over the last 3 years to cement his place as an indisputable starter.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

  On 03/03/2015 at 14:25, lionsden said:

Maybe, just maybe it has something to do with his consistency and importance to the team?. Why aren't the likes of Hazard,matic,JT et al going through the same predicament. The reality is Oscar is nothing more than a squad player at this point and rightly so. We can't be giving out handouts to perennial underperformers. Every player should earn their place in the team and Oscar hasn't done enough to earn a regular starting berth.

and despite the rather false claim he's still one of our most played/featured players over the last 3 seasons.

maybe you could be right, because we never know what is his 'problem' actually (physical condition, sickness, his minds, etc). But for sure he is not getting regular playing time, and that didn't help him at all. As I wrote in my 3rd paragraph, I think it is almost sure because Jose preferred another system when playing particular opponents (big teams away), to get the points. Jose could stubbornly played Oscar in 4231 formation in every match, and I think we will get 'Tottenham away score' when playing City away, Liverpool away for example.

[The Skipper 20,593]

  On 03/03/2015 at 13:09, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

Well Internacional's accounting firm have it at 19.35M, I don't see a reason why they would lie. Also if you look at Oscar's Amortized fee there is no way its 25m we paid for him.

Can you link me?

[CFC888 219]

  On 03/03/2015 at 13:45, lionsden said:

Ramires has done far more for Chelsea than Oscar ever as. the disrespect of the former is quite shameful. He was the players player of the year in 2012 and many thought should have won the chelsea POTY that year instead of Mata. he was also quite instrumental in our CL win and has performed consistently well for us bar his first couple of months here and 2nd part of last season. He has proven to be a much more reliable and valuable asset for the team than Oscar. If it came down to it, there's no logical reason to keep oscar at the expense of ramires.

in layman's term I will sell Oscar before i ever consider selling ramires.

No shit Ramires has done more for us, because he's 3 and a half years older and has been here for 2 years longer! And please do enlighten me as to who exactly was 'disrespecting' Ramires?