Oscar

[robsblubot 3,545]

Carragher on Oscar: http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/29327/9141946/jamie-carragher-says-oscars-midfield-tenacity-makes-him-the-key-man-for-jose-mourinho

Personal preferences aside, which include preferred style and characteristics, people seem to be ignoring a lot of evidence when discussing Oscar's current and potential ability. For example, as mentioned by Barbara earlier, Oscar's age and status in the Brazil side.

[Barbara 15,149]

Carragher on Oscar: http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/29327/9141946/jamie-carragher-says-oscars-midfield-tenacity-makes-him-the-key-man-for-jose-mourinho

Personal preferences aside, which include preferred style and characteristics, people seem to be ignoring a lot of evidence when discussing Oscar's current ability and potential ability. For example, as mentioned by Barbara earlier, Oscar's age and status in the Brazil side.

the boy stepped up and wore the most mystical shirt in the history of football as if it was nothing.

No other shirt in the sport has more weight than's Pelé's #10 for Brazil and Oscar just shrugged it off and did his thing when he was 21!

I believe he'll progress creatively because he has the tools for it and he's already shown it. The thing is for some people there will always be the ghost of Mata and the comparison - which is unfair, Mata is a very special player and his creativity isn't easily found or matched. Oscar doesn't come close to that now, but I believe with time he'll close the gap some (but will never match Mata). I think he'll grow a lot the rest of this season because at least he won't have to worry about Mata's shadow (if he ever has anyway) and he probably feels less pressured to show it all if he isn't displacing Mata anymore, or feeling he wasn't the reason Mata left (as it seems quite clear Mata left on his own accord imo).

I think we have a little gem here and despite his legal dispute with Sao Paulo before he forced his move to Internacional, he seems like a very down to earth boy imo and I don't think he will leave anytime soon, nor for money nor seduced by any sort of status another team would give to him. I'm not even sure Oscar interests any other club tbh. Another good thing about how incredibly underrated he is. I don't get the feeling that other clubs look to him they look to Eden or even how they looked to Mata. He may be our next Lampard on that regard (although there were plenty of interest from Lampard from other clubs in recent years). I also don't see him wanting to leave the club if he's benched because any of the other AMs we have play or fit better than him. Playing nearly half the matches and getting some minutes as a sub, like Mata did, wouldn't make him want to leave, based on his interviews (especially to Brazil's media). He's fully aware he has to earn his place at the team and he's willing to fight for it. So even if one of the wingers displace him (while Eden takes the CAM position), I think it'll just motivate him harder to get his position back. The kid is a fighter, a believer in hard work and someone that can deal with the hurdles of depth competition. He's mature way beyond his years and I do hope he stays with us for a decade, regardless of his role and status in the squad.

I was a fan when he joined us, but not that much. It's his time with us that really made me fall in love with him.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Jesus whats with this #10 jumping, yes he had it at age 21 which was impressive, but he also lost it due to Neymar. Marketing reasons etc, but Neymar is Brasil #1 player, thats why he wears 10 and not Oscar anymore.

[iseah100 5,612]

Jesus whats with this #10 jumping, yes he had it at age 21 which was impressive, but he also lost it due to Neymar. Marketing reasons etc, but Neymar is Brasil #1 player, thats why he wears 10 and not Oscar anymore.

Neymar is their best player and wears number 10 but isn't their NUMBER 10. Oscar facilitates and creates, Neymar is ALL attack oriented and plays as a winger. Number 10 isn't for the best player, Ronaldo doesn't wear 10.

[Barbara 15,149]

Jesus whats with this #10 jumping, yes he had it at age 21 which was impressive, but he also lost it due to Neymar. Marketing reasons etc, but Neymar is Brasil #1 player, thats why he wears 10 and not Oscar anymore.

don't talk about shit you don't know

Neymar put in a request to play with the #10 and OSCAR agreed without creating a problem. It wasn't a managerial decision... Neymar did it because that's who he is... that's how his father manages his career. There was a lot of backlash, so yeah, the shirt would still be Oscar's if Neymar didn't ask for it for his vain reasons.

And then asked by the media if he was upset about Neymar's request, Oscar answered it was just a shirt, that's not important and he moved on from the subject.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

don't talk about shit you don't know

Neymar put in a request to play with the #10 and OSCAR agreed without creating a problem. It wasn't a managerial decision... Neymar did it because that's who he is... that's how his father manages his career. There was a lot of backlash, so yeah, the shirt would still be Oscar's if Neymar didn't ask for it for his vain reasons.

And then asked by the media if he was upset about Neymar's request, Oscar answered it was just a shirt, that's not important and he moved on from the subject.

Just saying that because he wore #10 it doesnt make him worlds most exciting player...

He was given that shirt, he didnt realy have much competition; Kaka was old...

You are from Brasil, I get that you like Oscar, but just becaus he had that number it doesnt make him anything more than what he is. To say that he is special because coach gave him that number is funny. Oscar is special because of his talent, not the #10 on the back.

Brasil #10 might be legendary, but it doesnt make you Ronaldinho or Pele...

Oscar will probably be top #10 but he is far from being creative visionary #10. Jack of all trades, master of none. But could become once...

[Barbara 15,149]

Just saying that because he wore #10 it doesnt make him worlds most exciting player...

He was given that shirt, he didnt realy have much competition; Kaka was old...

You are from Brasil, I get that you like Oscar, but just becaus he had that number it doesnt make him anything more than what he is. To say that he is special because coach gave him that number is funny. Oscar is special because of his talent, not the #10 on the back.

Brasil #10 might be legendary, but it doesnt make you Ronaldinho or Pele...

Oscar will probably be top #10 but he is far from being creative visionary #10. Jack of all trades, master of none. But could become once...

did I ever say Oscar was Brazil's most exciting player to start with?

We were talking about how he steps up to big responsibilities and doesn't walk away from challenges. That was the only topic we were discussing. Nobody was talking that he's the most exciting player. He was given a huge responsibility which is be Brazil's #10. Only Brazilians or people who know our country and football very well can say how much pressure there's on that shirt. That was the only topic we were discussing...

I think you misunderstood the whole conversation we were having. It has nothing to do with how creative or exciting he is, but how he's a little man of steel and he's mature beyond of his years.

And I agree with you we as a nation aren't in our best moment for #10s, doesn't that put even more pressure on him?

[Korea 734]

don't talk about shit you don't know

Neymar put in a request to play with the #10 and OSCAR agreed without creating a problem. It wasn't a managerial decision... Neymar did it because that's who he is... that's how his father manages his career. There was a lot of backlash, so yeah, the shirt would still be Oscar's if Neymar didn't ask for it for his vain reasons.

And then asked by the media if he was upset about Neymar's request, Oscar answered it was just a shirt, that's not important and he moved on from the subject.

Mata withdrawal...

[BlueLyon 9,359]

We played probably best game of season and Oscar was benched...food for thought.

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

We played probably best game of season and Oscar was benched...food for thought.

Is there a point to this post? Surely you have to substantiate something like this?

I thought it was clear enough that Jose tailor made a game plan for city and used the ideal players to execute that game plan.

You think we would ever play like that against many other teams in all of Europe, let alone PL?

He played a broken formation. 6 always stayed back and 4 attacked and he wanted the fastest counters possible so he used the fastest guys.

He would have used Torres too if he was healthy and maybe even Salah if he didn't just join us.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

We played probably best game of season and Oscar was benched...food for thought.

But then you can say that if Oscar had have started ahead of Ramires, he'd have scored that chance Rambo fluffed and we'd be signing his praises! Food for thought indeed, but the hypotheticals shouldn't be looked into. He has been one of our best players this season, and certainly one of the most exciting to watch.

[TrippingStep 336]

But then you can say that if Oscar had have started ahead of Ramires, he'd have scored that chance Rambo fluffed and we'd be signing his praises! Food for thought indeed, but the hypotheticals shouldn't be looked into. He has been one of our best players this season, and certainly one of the most exciting to watch.

But it was Willian who played in his position.

I think because he has stronger legs and has a very good connection with Hazard to start the counter-attacks.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

But it was Willian who played in his position.

I think because he has stronger legs and has a very good connection with Hazard to start the counter-attacks.

Well, Rambo was put into the 3 behind the striker, with Hazard staying left, and Willian being pushed central to accommodate Ramires on the right. Oscar was left out of the three and Ramires came in to replace him, so strictly speaking he did indeed play instead of Oscar. But again, I'm not getting hung up on the what-ifs, buts and maybes, but I do take your point! José's decision not to play Oscar was vindicated, but he did a good job when he came on, everyone saw that, so people saying we played our best football without him should also acknowledge we played without Torres, Lampard, Mikel, Cole, Schurrle, Salah, etc. etc. We have a squad for a reason!

[Joshybizzle 109]

Oscar. I really didn't see this guy coming, i remember reading something about Tottenham being in for a 21 year old Brazilian wonder kid so i'm pretty sure i did what we all do.. I watched a youtube compilation. From what i saw there wasn't any denying the kid was a class act, especially when it came to the odd spectacular goal, then the next thing i know we've signed him and he's got the number 11 shirt (i thought it would take a while to find a worthy candidate) i wasn't complaining understandably!

I wasn't expecting him to get nearly as much time in the team, for instance last seasons (international friendlies and whatnot considered) he made 80 appearances over the 12/13 season, which is massive for a 21 year old! He ended up making 34 appearances in the Premier League racking up 4 goals and laying on 7 assist in his debut season. This was all while still adjusting to the league and the physicality which he seemed to struggle with a little at first, but those are pretty good numbers mixed in with some eye catching performances, that goal against Juventus anyone? That made me get out of my seat!

Keeping in mind he hasn't really had time to adjust to any specific role in the team yet having played in varying systems under 3 managers in under 2 years, just because he's playing in the number 10 role doesn't mean hes always been expected to lay on goals, for instance under José he's managed 2 assists in 22 premier league appearances, but he's almost made 2.5 tackles from one of the most advanced positions on the pitch. That's how José wants him to play and he's blossomed into it pressing high and keeping things stable among the mercurial three in behind the striker.

He scores the odd wonder goal and hes obviously got a very good shooting technique, along with a nice teasing free kick like the one he took against Stoke and so far this season he's banged in 7 goals in 28 appearances domestically & in Europe so we know the boy can score in pretty much any competition. In terms of assists his 2 in 22 games in very low for a #10 but i don't think that's his role in the team, plus we've been practically playing without a strikers goal threat for the last few seasons). I think if we had someone like Falcao/Rooney/Cavani/Costa then we'd be seeing Oscar laying on a lot more goals, even the hightest assisting player in the league (Mr. Juan Mata) couldn't get Torres firing and Ba and Eto'o aren't having the best time of it

He is young and he's got bags of potential, he's not your average #10 laying on goals but more of a willing runner and an engine further up the pitch capable of chipping in with the odd (and often spectacular) goal and that's been paying off dividends for us in the system we're paying, but offensively i don't feel he offers a threat like say, Hazard going forward but he's got time on his side and we've got his signature, so roll on the next couple of seasons because as we all know.. anything can happen in football

[LAB 1,030]

Jose didn't played him on Monday probably because of the pace factor. Not that he is not quick and all, but compared to Rami he is less physical.

On the other hand Rami has no sense of football artistry at all and Oscar is brilliant and that's food for thought for the sport in general.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Is there a point to this post? Surely you have to substantiate something like this?

I thought it was clear enough that Jose tailor made a game plan for city and used the ideal players to execute that game plan.

You think we would ever play like that against many other teams in all of Europe, let alone PL?

He played a broken formation. 6 always stayed back and 4 attacked and he wanted the fastest counters possible so he used the fastest guys.

He would have used Torres too if he was healthy and maybe even Salah if he didn't just join us.

It was just one game but also most important one so far. And if Oscar can be missed in most important game, its something telling that he isnt as important. Sure he had wonderful season so far and I like him being our #10, but even against team like West Ham, he didnt deliver creativity and chances.

[Joshybizzle 109]

It was just one game but also most important one so far. And if Oscar can be missed in most important game, its something telling that he isnt as important. Sure he had wonderful season so far and I like him being our #10, but even against team like West Ham, he didnt deliver creativity and chances.

In terms of assists his 2 in 22 games in very low for a #10 but i don't think that's his role in the team, plus we've been practically playing without a strikers goal threat for the last few seasons). I think if we had someone like Falcao/Rooney/Cavani/Costa then we'd be seeing Oscar laying on a lot more goals, even the hightest assisting player in the league (Mr. Juan Mata) couldn't get Torres firing and Ba and Eto'o aren't having the best time of it

I don't think he's in the side for creativity really, I wouldn't say that's one of his stronger attributes anyway and he doesn't lay on a ton of assists but we haven't been scoring masses of goals, but the system we're playing right now i don't think we need to

[hjperdeath 2,226]

It was just one game but also most important one so far. And if Oscar can be missed in most important game, its something telling that he isnt as important. Sure he had wonderful season so far and I like him being our #10, but even against team like West Ham, he didnt deliver creativity and chances.

Not really. It's telling that City are a different kind of side, and we as a team have a philosophy that is reactive rather than one that is stable with a clear cut agenda we see week in and week out ( City, Arsenal, Liverpool) . I also don't get the logic of using the West Ham game as an example to pull out specific players and criticise them. We had a terrific performance against them, what we lacked was pure luck. 9 shots on target if I'm not wrong, but most importantly, Lampard had a shot saved and Oscar hit the wood work. One of them games where you can't blame anyone. West Ham's defenders were shoddy but Adrian saved the day for them. It doesn't always have to be a you-bad-I-good situation.